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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Punisher on September 15, 2008, 04:56:15 PM
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If the Earth did revolve around the Sun, and the Moon around the Earth, at some point the Moon would find herself in between the Earth and the Sun.
(http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif)
We would not be able to see the crescents of the Moon in the dead of night (like ehhhh, mid-night) for 29 days are assigned to the Lunar calender (one full revolution around Earth), thereby, the Moon would remain close to the Sun for "days" we would not be able and could "only" see the crescents of the Moon in the day, but we see them at night, under this FAILED theory the Earth remains flat.
(http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/Graphics/diagrams/SolSysPhases.png)
The THREAD that got me BANNED.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23160.0
And the Punisher remains the "Indisputable Champion of the Universe."
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Why wouldn't we be able to see crescents of the moon's day and night in the FE model?
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Why wouldn't we be able to see crescents of the moon's day and night in the FE model?
Script Fail.
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Why wouldn't we be able to see crescents of the moon's day and night in the FE model?
I don't fully understand your question Tom Bishop, all I did was disprove science theory of the round Earth, if you would like to rephrase your question I will be more then happy to answer it.
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Why wouldn't we be able to see crescents of the moon's day and night in the FE model?
I don't fully understand your question Tom Bishop, all I did was disprove science theory of the round Earth, if you would like to rephrase your question I will be more then happy to answer it.
My mistake. I didn't read your thread thoroughly enough.
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I dont even get what you are talking about?
Are you talking about a solar eclipse?
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I dont even get what you are talking about?
Are you talking about a solar eclipse?
Just look at the pictures, it'll come to you.
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I dont even get what you are talking about?
Are you talking about a solar eclipse?
Just look at the pictures, it'll come to you.
That's what she said. ;)
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If the Earth did revolve around the Sun, and the Moon around the Earth, at some point the Moon would find herself in between the Earth and the Sun.
We would not be able to see the crescents of the Moon in the dead of night (like ehhhh, mid-night) for 29 days are assigned to the Lunar calender (one full revolution around Earth), thereby, the Moon would remain close to the Sun for "days" we would not be able and could "only" see the crescents of the Moon in the day, but we see them at night, under this FAILED theory the Earth remains flat.
(http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/Graphics/diagrams/SolSysPhases.png)
Ahh, no. The moon can be seen for approx 12 hours a day. In RET, as in the picture you posted above, The Full moon will only be seen at night and the New Moon will only be seen (or not seen) during the day. As the moon travels around the earth the other phases of the moon will overlap daylight and night time, with first and last quarter being visible for approx 6 hours of each.
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Ahh, no. The moon can be seen for approx 12 hours a day. In RET, as in the picture you posted above, The Full moon will only be seen at night and the New Moon will only be seen (or not seen) during the day. As the moon travels around the earth the other phases of the moon will overlap daylight and night time, with first and last quarter being visible for approx 6 hours of each.
Your very tricky, I'll have to keep an eye on you!
The O-P says the crescents of the Moon.
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We would not be able to see the crescents of the Moon in the dead of night (like ehhhh, mid-night) for 29 days are assigned to the Lunar calender (one full revolution around Earth), thereby, the Moon would remain close to the Sun for "days" we would not be able and could "only" see the crescents of the Moon in the day, but we see them at night, under this FAILED theory the Earth remains flat.
(http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/Graphics/diagrams/SolSysPhases.png)
If you would bother to look at your own picture, you would notice that crescent moons are seen primarily during the day while gibbous moons are seen primarily at night. The only failure I see here is your own.
Main Entry: gib·bous
Pronunciation: \ˈji-bəs, ˈgi-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin gibbosus humpbacked, from Latin gibbus hump
Date: 14th century
1 a: marked by convexity or swelling
b: of the moon or a planet : seen with more than half but not all of the apparent disk illuminated
2: having a hump : humpbacked
Main Entry: cres·cent
Pronunciation: \ˈkre-sənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English cressant, from Anglo-French, from present participle of crestre to grow, increase, from Latin crescere; akin to Old High German hirsi millet, Lithuanian šerti to feed, Greek koros boy
Date: 15th century
1 a: the moon at any stage between new moon and first quarter and between last quarter and the succeeding new moon when less than half of the illuminated hemisphere is visible
b: the figure of the moon at such a stage defined by a convex and a concave edge
2: something shaped like a crescent
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If you would bother to look at your own picture, you would notice that crescent moons are seen primarily during the day while gibbous moons are seen primarily at night. The only failure I see here is your own.
The reason why you see the O-P as a failure is because you don't observe the skies at night.
"Crescents of the Moon are seen in the day?"
No my friend the crescents and every other phase of the Moon ( new moon exempted of course, lol) are seen at night.
This where the Islamic faith got the idea for there symbol (crescent moon & star).
You can't beat the Punisher, I rule!!!!!!!
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Wait, are you saying I can't see a crescent moon during the daylight hours?
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If you would bother to look at your own picture, you would notice that crescent moons are seen primarily during the day while gibbous moons are seen primarily at night. The only failure I see here is your own.
The reason why you see the O-P as a failure is because you don't observe the skies at night.
"Crescents of the Moon are seen in the day?"
No my friend the crescents and every other phase of the Moon ( new moon exempted of course, lol) are seen at night.
This where the Islamic faith got the idea for there symbol (crescent moon & star).
You can't beat the Punisher, I rule!!!!!!!
Please learn the difference between a crescent moon and a gibbous moon (see my previous post).
Besides, how does seeing a crescent moon in day or night disprove RE again?
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Wait, are you saying I can't see a crescent moon during the daylight hours?
Actually, he is saying that he is retarded and licks windows.
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Wait, are you saying I can't see a crescent moon during the daylight hours?
Actually, he is saying that he is retarded and licks windows.
Ahh. Duly noted.
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Wait, are you saying I can't see a crescent moon during the daylight hours?
No, you read wrong I apologize for writing it like a 10 year old, I figured the dumber I'd write it the easier it would read, it may have backed fired, lol. You shouldn't be able to see the crescents of the Moon at night on the round Earth theory.
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(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/mustangguy04/windowlicker.jpg)
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Please learn the difference between a crescent moon and a gibbous moon (see my previous post).
Besides, how does seeing a crescent moon in day or night disprove RE again?
(http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/Graphics/diagrams/SolSysPhases.png)
With your left index finger find the waxing crescent and hold it to the screen of your computer, try to remain steady in performing this exercise, with your right index finger point to the dark side of the Earth (preferably the mid-night hour), now, would anyone living where your right finger is pointing see the waxing crescent where your left finger is?
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(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/mustangguy04/windowlicker.jpg)
I'm not, I'm wiping them with your science, lol.
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Please learn the difference between a crescent moon and a gibbous moon (see my previous post).
Besides, how does seeing a crescent moon in day or night disprove RE again?
(http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/Graphics/diagrams/SolSysPhases.png)
With your left index finger find the waxing crescent and hold it to the screen of your computer, try to remain steady in performing this exercise, with your right index finger point to the dark side of the Earth (preferably the mid-night hour), now, would anyone living where your right finger is pointing see the waxing crescent where your left finger is?
Because the earth rotates and comes around to see the waxing moon prior to sunrise?
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Because the earth rotates and comes around to see the waxing moon prior to sunrise?
Rotates around the Sun?
Rotates on axis?
Pays a visit?
Come back when your sober!!!!!
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In RET the earth rotates around on its axis and is able to see all phases of the moon at one point during the night(be it the beginning or the end) except the new moon of course.
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In RET the earth rotates around on its axis and is able to see all phases of the moon at one point during the night(be it the beginning or the end) except the new moon of course.
Put the Bong down, NOW!!!!!!!
The Earth takes 24hr to do that, "who's your pusher?"
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The Earth takes 24hr to do that, "who's your pusher?"
The Earth takes 23 hours 56 minutes to rotate once in RET, not 24 hours.
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In RET the earth rotates around on its axis and is able to see all phases of the moon at one point during the night(be it the beginning or the end) except the new moon of course.
Put the Bong down, NOW!!!!!!!
The Earth takes 24hr to do that, "who's your pusher?"
I think it was your little sister. Cept I was doing all the pushing. Seriously dude, try and make some sense. I am happy to debate whatever theory you want but only when you return the debate. I am seeing now why you are returning from a ban.
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The Earth takes 24hr to do that, "who's your pusher?"
The Earth takes 23 hours 56 minutes to rotate once in RET, not 24 hours.
1Enoch Chapter 78:[3]In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened.
I"M ON THE LOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!
PUNISHER RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think it was your little sister. Cept I was doing all the pushing.
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Strapped on one of those fake one's, lol, I'm on the loose, unstoppable!!!!!!!!
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1Enoch Chapter 78:[3]In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened.
I"M ON THE LOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!
PUNISHER RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
Years are not the same thing as days. Also, stop spamming in Debate & Discussion, or it'll be a 30-day ban next time.
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I give him 3 more posts.
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Years are not the same thing as days. Also, stop spamming in Debate & Discussion, or it'll be a 30-day ban next time.
Days add up to years in case no-one mentioned this to you, and I'm not spamming but defending my thread from spammers who's replies have no science related rebuttal to the O-P, thank-you....
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Days add up to years in case no-one mentioned this to you
:-\
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I'm not spamming but defending my thread from spammers who's replies have no science related rebuttal to the O-P, thank-you....
That's because the OP is crap.
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That's because the OP is crap.
SPAMMER!!!!
No scientific evidence to back that up....
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Punisher... years are not defined by the number of days, they are independent of it.
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Unless of course the earth is rolling in a circular container. Also, dongs.
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Punisher... years are not defined by the number of days, they are independent of it.
Osama... days are not defined by the number of hours, they are independent of it.
That's how your statement sounds, "I'll smoke you out!"
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Punisher... years are not defined by the number of days, they are independent of it.
True
Osama... days are not defined by the number of hours, they are independent of it.
False
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Osama... days are not defined by the number of hours, they are independent of it.
lrn2time
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Please learn the difference between a crescent moon and a gibbous moon (see my previous post).
Besides, how does seeing a crescent moon in day or night disprove RE again?
(http://www.hermit.org/Eclipse/Graphics/diagrams/SolSysPhases.png)
With your left index finger find the waxing crescent and hold it to the screen of your computer, try to remain steady in performing this exercise, with your right index finger point to the dark side of the Earth (preferably the mid-night hour), now, would anyone living where your right finger is pointing see the waxing crescent where your left finger is?
How about you try this. Draw a line from the centre of the waxing crescent moon to the centre of the earth. Then draw a line that goes through the centre of the earth AND bisects your first line at right angles (you'll notice this second line goes through the waning crescent and the waxing gibbous moon). You have just illustrated the half of the earth that see the waxing crescent moon. You will see that most of that half of the earth is in daylight, but there is a small section of it that can see the waxing crescent moon at night.
Feel free to duplicate this for the other phases of the moon. As you get closer to the New moon (as the moon gets smaller and smaller) the piece of earth that can see the moon at night gets smaller and smaller. This is exactly what you would expect to see according to RET. Are you claiming something different is what we actually observe?
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hold on a sec............ have you ever been to the equator, explain why the sun is above you!! do you live in the north pole or somthing. explain why water when going down a plug hole spins and dosent just drop through, and why it changes direction when you go under the equater, beacause of gravity. how would gps work if the world was flat???? why does water fall from a water fall. you make the world seem completely synthethic, when its not.
try to prove a threoy that real. and that can be explained. like gravity.
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Punisher... years are not defined by the number of days, they are independent of it.
Osama... days are not defined by the number of hours, they are independent of it.
That's how your statement sounds, "I'll smoke you out!"
A day is defined by the rotation of the earth about its axis. A second is defined as a fraction of a day. Minutes are defined as a multiple of seconds and an hour is defined as a multiple of minutes.
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this thread maked me rofl :(
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this whole forum makes me rofl
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hold on a sec............ have you ever been to the equator, explain why the sun is above you!!
Where do you think the sun should be?
do you live in the north pole or somthing. explain why water when going down a plug hole spins and dosent just drop through,
The direction the water is spinning in the basin is what dictates the direction it spins when going down the plug hole.
and why it changes direction when you go under the equater, beacause of gravity.
That is just not true.
how would gps work if the world was flat????
Stratelites and pseudolites. Do a search.
why does water fall from a water fall.
As opposed to ...
you make the world seem completely synthethic, when its not.
try to prove a threoy that real. and that can be explained. like gravity.
Explain gravity then.
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A day is defined by the rotation of the earth about its axis.
A second is defined as a fraction of a day.
Both of these statements are wrong. You lose.
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Fletch, did you grow up in a cuboard or some kind of confined space, where you at no contact with human life, or is that still your life?
Seriously, i dont think you even know wtf your talking about, none of you's do. I mean, are you all scientists? have you bullet prove facts to back up your theories? can you prove everything you say about the idea of the world being flat? The very thing that can be easily proven by real scientists, that the world is 100% round, you can tell them there wrong. hmm
Instead of wasting your time with this retarded little cult that clearly know themselfs that there wrong, because the faq makes no sense in the least bit, go out, get a life and start facing the facts.
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A day is defined by the rotation of the earth about its axis.
A second is defined as a fraction of a day.
Both of these statements are wrong. You lose.
The unit of time, the second, was defined originally as the fraction 1/86 400 of the mean solar day. The exact definition of "mean solar day" was left to astronomical theories.
OK, so the second has since been redefined based on the cesium atom. ::)
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There are multiple definitions of a day. One of which is the time it takes for the planet in question to rotate on its axis.
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A day is defined by the rotation of the earth about its axis.
A second is defined as a fraction of a day.
Both of these statements are wrong. You lose.
The unit of time, the second, was defined originally as the fraction 1/86 400 of the mean solar day. The exact definition of "mean solar day" was left to astronomical theories.
OK, so the second has since been redefined based on the cesium atom. ::)
So you admit your second statement was false. Now for you to admit to the first being wrong, too.
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There are multiple definitions of a day. One of which is the time it takes for the planet in question to rotate on its axis.
Well, I'm assuming he means a solar day. If he meant a sidereal day (which is irrelevant in this context), then I concede that he was correct.
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A day is defined by the rotation of the earth about its axis.
A second is defined as a fraction of a day.
Both of these statements are wrong. You lose.
The unit of time, the second, was defined originally as the fraction 1/86 400 of the mean solar day. The exact definition of "mean solar day" was left to astronomical theories.
OK, so the second has since been redefined based on the cesium atom. ::)
So you admit your second statement was false. Now for you to admit to the first being wrong, too.
The second statement is out dated. Big whoop.
The first statement is correct, however. The difference between solar and sidereal days being the reference point at which the earth's rotation about its axis is measured. Notice, the first statement said nothing about how much rotation defines a day.
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The first statement is correct, however. The difference between solar and sidereal days being the reference point at which the earth's rotation about its axis is measured. Notice, the first statement said nothing about how much rotation defines a day.
A solar day is not only defined by the Earth's rotational period, but also its orbital period.
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How about you try this. Draw a line from the centre of the waxing crescent moon to the centre of the earth. Then draw a line that goes through the centre of the earth AND bisects your first line at right angles (you'll notice this second line goes through the waning crescent and the waxing gibbous moon). You have just illustrated the half of the earth that see the waxing crescent moon. You will see that most of that half of the earth is in daylight, but there is a small section of it that can see the waxing crescent moon at night.
centre?
center. you made this mistake 3 times. we're you nervous per chance?
I can't see thru the center of the Earth, neither can you or anyone else, we can only see the surface, how about you try this again; with your left index finger find the waxing crescent and hold it to the screen of your computer, try to remain steady in performing this exercise, with your right index finger point to the dark side of the Earth (preferably the mid-night hour), now, would anyone living where your right finger is pointing see the waxing crescent where your left finger is?
Feel free to duplicate this for the other phases of the moon. As you get closer to the New moon (as the moon gets smaller and smaller) the piece of earth that can see the moon at night gets smaller and smaller. This is exactly what you would expect to see according to RET. Are you claiming something different is what we actually observe?
The Moon doesn't get smaller it remains the same dimension, the light decreases is what you mean and the portion of the Earth also remains the same. The reason why the new Moon is seen in the day, is because on that phase it receives the light from the Sun.
1Enoch.72:[1]After this law I beheld another law of an inferior luminary, the name of which is the moon, [2]Its chariot, which it secretly ascends, the wind blows; and light is given to it by measure. [3]Every month at its exit and entrance it becomes changed; [4]Thus it rises, and at its commencement towards the east goes forth for thirty days. [5]At that time it appears, and becomes to you the beginning of the month. [6]Half of it is in extent seven portions, one half; and the whole of its orb is void of light, except a seventh portion out of the fourteen portions of its light. And in a day it receives a seventh portion, or half that portion, of its light. [7]And when the sun rises, the moon rises with it; receiving half a portion of light. [8]On that night, when it commences its period, previously to the day of the month, the moon sets with the sun.
And in a day it receives a seventh portion, or half that portion, of its light. 1/2 portion
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And when the sun rises, the moon rises with it; receiving half a portion of light. 1/2 portion
2 halves make it whole.
1Enoch.77:[14]And when it is wholly extinguished, its light is consumed in heaven; and on the first day it is called the new moon, for on that day light is received into it.
This is why the new Moon rises with the Sun, the Moon receives the light from Heaven. Face it, science took us for a ride, I'm getting off this merry-go-round....
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centre?
center. you made this mistake 3 times. we're you nervous per chance?
Same word; different continents. You don't read much, do you?
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centre?
center. you made this mistake 3 times. we're you nervous per chance?
Most of the world spells it "centre". Only Americans use the spelling "center". However, as far as I'm aware, nobody spells "were" with an apostrophe unless it's a contraction of "we are".
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Same word; different continents. You don't read much, do you?
I've been too busy exposing the lie's of your science, outside of holy scriptures I don't read much, GOD needs to keep me ignorant of fiction, science fiction, lol.
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Same word; different continents. You don't read much, do you?
I've been too busy exposing the lie's of your science, outside of holy scriptures I don't read much, GOD needs to keep me ignorant of fiction, science fiction, lol.
And apparently of proper spelling and grammar too.
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A day is how long the Earth makes one rotation.
A year is how long it takes the Earth to complete an orbit. It only happens to consist of 364 days.
If a day was twice as fast, a year won't go twice as fast, it'd only be considered 728 days.
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A day is how long the Earth makes one rotation.
A year is how long it takes the Earth to complete an orbit. It only happens to consist of 364 days.
Uh, no. A day (in the sense that the word is most commonly used - that is, a solar day) is the time it takes for the Earth to rotate such that the Sun has the same right ascension from any point on the Earth's surface. This is slightly longer than the time taken for a full rotation, because of the fact that the Earth is orbiting the Sun as it rotates.
A year is equal to approximately 365.2425 solar days. I have no idea where you got 364 from.
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Apparently on his planet they have stumble year instead of leap year.
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How about you try this. Draw a line from the centre of the waxing crescent moon to the centre of the earth. Then draw a line that goes through the centre of the earth AND bisects your first line at right angles (you'll notice this second line goes through the waning crescent and the waxing gibbous moon). You have just illustrated the half of the earth that see the waxing crescent moon. You will see that most of that half of the earth is in daylight, but there is a small section of it that can see the waxing crescent moon at night.
centre?
center. you made this mistake 3 times. we're you nervous per chance?
Yes that's it. I'm scared of you. Oh hang on. No. I'm Australian.
I can't see thru the center of the Earth, neither can you or anyone else, we can only see the surface, how about you try this again; with your left index finger find the waxing crescent and hold it to the screen of your computer, try to remain steady in performing this exercise, with your right index finger point to the dark side of the Earth (preferably the mid-night hour), now, would anyone living where your right finger is pointing see the waxing crescent where your left finger is?
Okay, did you really think I wanted you to draw a line through the actual earth? Instead of your picture that I quoted in my post? Reread my post again, please.
And regarding your experiment, no-one would be able to see the crescent moons at midnight. Which is exactly how things are. What point are you trying to make?
Feel free to duplicate this for the other phases of the moon. As you get closer to the New moon (as the moon gets smaller and smaller) the piece of earth that can see the moon at night gets smaller and smaller. This is exactly what you would expect to see according to RET. Are you claiming something different is what we actually observe?
The Moon doesn't get smaller it remains the same dimension, the light decreases is what you mean and the portion of the Earth also remains the same. The reason why the new Moon is seen in the day, is because on that phase it receives the light from the Sun.
You know I almost went back and corrected my use of the word "smaller" but I thought there is no way anyone would think I am actually claiming the moon decreases in size. My mistake.
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Fletch, did you grow up in a cuboard or some kind of confined space, where you at no contact with human life, or is that still your life?
No.
Seriously, i dont think you even know wtf your talking about, none of you's do. I mean, are you all scientists? have you bullet prove facts to back up your theories? can you prove everything you say about the idea of the world being flat? The very thing that can be easily proven by real scientists, that the world is 100% round, you can tell them there wrong. hmm
What I don't know, is wtf you're talking about.
Instead of wasting your time with this retarded little cult that clearly know themselfs that there wrong, because the faq makes no sense in the least bit, go out, get a life and start facing the facts.
The question is why are you wasting your time with this retarded little cult?
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I still want sigged....
You can sig on me if you want. Just not in my hair.
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With your left index finger find the waxing crescent and hold it to the screen of your computer, try to remain steady in performing this exercise, with your right index finger point to the dark side of the Earth (preferably the mid-night hour), now, would anyone living where your right finger is pointing see the waxing crescent where your left finger is?
Like this:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ghazwozza/nighttimecresentmoon.jpg)
As you can see, an observer at night can still see a cresent moon. However, the moon will be close to the horizon. This is what is seen:
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:HEubpQtcrmEj0M:http://victoria.rasc.ca/gallery/David/images/2005/VenusandCrescentMoon-August.7.2005DSCF0047.jpg)
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cHJ0kF6WKnBxBM:http://skychasers.net/MoonCrescentJune27200603.jpg)
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:oCgnm-9q5nyPpM:http://www.utahskies.org/image_library/shallowsky/planets/earth/moon/20020509-CrescentMoon-1-1.jpg)
(these images from are google image previews (http://images.google.co.uk/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=crescent+moon&btnG=Search+Images), so not sure if they'll stick around.)
NB: yes, I know "crescent" is spelled wrong.
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I've been too busy exposing the lie's of your science, outside of holy scriptures I don't read much, GOD needs to keep me ignorant of fiction, science fiction, lol.
Just for future reference "lies" doesn't have an apostrophe. Though perhaps God put it there while you weren't looking. Oh, and God only has one capital letter, unless you're referring to generic gods, in which case no capitalisation is required (look, I spelled capitalisation without a 'z' - shall I be punished?).
That aside, I since that you only read holy scriptures, I presume that you are also fluent in ancient greek, as well as a number of hebrew/aramaic dialects, and latin too, so it's quite easy to see how you could make the mistake with all those extra languages confusing you.
Why does God need to keep you ignorant of science fiction... or of science OR fiction for that matter? Is s/he worried that biblical logic is flawed. But then, given that the "good book" advocates free will, isn't it simply you keeping yourself ignorant? So I guess it's your own faith which is on shaky ground if you're afraid of it crumbling under the weight of a few simply proven principles.
On the topic, however, it is actually very easy to see how a night-time observer can see the crescent moon. Take a couple of soccer balls and a light source and return to us when you've educated yourself.