The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: PinkNINJA on September 07, 2008, 12:05:05 AM
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What happens if you get in a plane and do this? Do you come out the other side, fall off, what?
Someone ought to get a camera and try it, and put an end to all of this.
If he/she makes it, the Earth is round. If he/she doesn't, then the Earth is flat.
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read the FAQ.
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what do you think i spent the first 10 minutes doing?
I'm trying to get an experiment going.
Someone should have the resources to get a plane and fly it, well, any direction, eventually you'll hit the wall.
What happens when you fly towards wall?
A: you keep going, and end up on the other side of the earth
B: government stops you
So let's go see which one happens.
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what do you think i spent the first 10 minutes doing?
I'm trying to get an experiment going.
Someone should have the resources to get a plane and fly it, well, any direction, eventually you'll hit the wall.
What happens when you fly towards wall?
A: you keep going, and end up on the other side of the earth
B: government stops you
So let's go see which one happens.
Remember to document your trip across Antarctica with video evidence.
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eventually you'll hit the wall.
I would hope not, that would scupper all chances of sense getting through...
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What happens if you get in a plane and do this? Do you come out the other side, fall off, what?
Someone ought to get a camera and try it, and put an end to all of this.
If he/she makes it, the Earth is round. If he/she doesn't, then the Earth is flat.
I've theorized that you will never travel in a straight line on the FE. In your FoR, your paths are straight. In the FE's FoR, your paths are curved. This explains why circumnavigation is possible on FE, where you travel in a straight line (in your FoR) and end up back where you started.
EDIT: The reason behind this is that our compass always point to the North, which is the center of the FE. Thus, traveling East or West is basically circling around the Earth.
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I've theorized that you will never travel in a straight line on the FE. In your FoR, your paths are straight. In the FE's FoR, your paths are curved. This explains why circumnavigation is possible on FE, where you travel in a straight line (in your FoR) and end up back where you started. This also explains why it is impossible for you to fly pass the edge of the world.
e.Jack, I simply can't follow what you mean here. The FAQ isn't helping explain it either. Can you run through this in other words?
1. What I'm trying to understand is this: you believe that airline flights are curved to avoid seeing the Ice Wall. Is this physics or misguided pilots?
2. If I devised some method, perhaps using a laser, to point a straight line (not a single curve in it, perfectly straight) for miles and then to follow this line in an airplane, wouldn't I eventually reach the Ice Wall with enough fuel? Now, if you observed this line, and determined to your satisfaction that it was straight, would you board the plane with me? If you answer is no, could you take a moment to explain why.
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I've theorized that you will never travel in a straight line on the FE. In your FoR, your paths are straight. In the FE's FoR, your paths are curved. This explains why circumnavigation is possible on FE, where you travel in a straight line (in your FoR) and end up back where you started. This also explains why it is impossible for you to fly pass the edge of the world.
e.Jack, I simply can't follow what you mean here. The FAQ isn't helping explain it either. Can you run through this in other words?
1. What I'm trying to understand is this: you believe that airline flights are curved to avoid seeing the Ice Wall. Is this physics or misguided pilots?
2. If I devised some method, perhaps using a laser, to point a straight line (not a single curve in it, perfectly straight) for miles and then to follow this line in an airplane, wouldn't I eventually reach the Ice Wall with enough fuel? Now, if you observed this line, and determined to your satisfaction that it was straight, would you board the plane with me? If you answer is no, could you take a moment to explain why.
Yes, you'd hit the wall, but I'll tell you what FE'ers are gonna answer:
It is impossible+Do it+Prove it.
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I'd do it if I had the resources.
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e.Jack, I simply can't follow what you mean here. The FAQ isn't helping explain it either. Can you run through this in other words?
1. What I'm trying to understand is this: you believe that airline flights are curved to avoid seeing the Ice Wall. Is this physics or misguided pilots?
2. If I devised some method, perhaps using a laser, to point a straight line (not a single curve in it, perfectly straight) for miles and then to follow this line in an airplane, wouldn't I eventually reach the Ice Wall with enough fuel? Now, if you observed this line, and determined to your satisfaction that it was straight, would you board the plane with me? If you answer is no, could you take a moment to explain why.
My theory is exactly the same reason why you can't fly an airplane straight out into space in the RE:
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As I've said before, it depends on which frame of reference are you talking about. Plus, straight is a relative term. Reread my previous post.
Yes, you'd hit the wall
But you can't pass it.
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The Dark Energy Field holds our massive accelerating atmolayer and any object that has mass (less than the atmolayer's) in place. This explains why direct or sustained space-flight is not possible in the FE. Because the DEF is a formation of Dark Energy, and Dark Energy is the mechanism of UA, it happens to shield us from UA. The DEF does not hold electromagnetic radiations and vibrations. The DEF is not the same as gravitation, so escape velocity does not exist.
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That is what he said, He would hit the wall IF the earth was flat, Personally if i wasn't a 14 year old and my only income was a paper round and pocet money, I'd love to do that, A huge flight of fucking around because going in a straight line you could leave it to autopilot.
Badass.
But you wouldn't be shot down by the government, You wouldn't hit a wall, You'd find your self at the beggining.
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But you wouldn't be shot down by the government, You wouldn't hit a wall, You'd find your self at the beggining.
You're wrong.
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You're wrong.
Prove it. In your own words. (Side note: Gratz on spelling. Lots of fruitcakes would type 'Your wrong'. You have grammar :D)
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in the meantime,. i encourage you to watch some of these completely fake videos.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rocket+cam&search_type=&aq=f
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Soooooooo........if you can't fly in a straight line and you just fly in a big circle.........lets say your flight path veers to the left, going in a circle that way, why can't you steer to the right enough to compensate for the left handed veering so that you can actually fly in a straight line?
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You could.
But you wouldn't be able to on a supposedly round earth in a conventional aircraft.
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Soooooooo........if you can't fly in a straight line and you just fly in a big circle.........lets say your flight path veers to the left, going in a circle that way, why can't you steer to the right enough to compensate for the left handed veering so that you can actually fly in a straight line?
Your frame of reference != Earth's frame of reference
Reread my post.
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All these "The Earth is flat but appears round due to [arbitrary mechanism of choice]" arguments are getting rather boring. Can we at least see some kind of rationalization for such theories, apart from "it must be true because the Earth is flat". Circular reasoning may be amusing for a while, but it's getting old very fast.
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Wow, there's a whole knot of wonko logic in that which really needs threshing out.
Are you saying that if I hold a straight rope between any two points, and then look down the rope, even though it looks like a straight line it's not?
So what you're calling for is (somehow) a magical curving of light, which increases as we travel further south?
If you can't distinguish your frame of reference from the Earth's, you need to stop refuting.
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Look up the term "frame of reference".
Here's a simple scenario: in RE, you fly in a straight line [your frame of reference], but your flight path is actually curved down relative to the Earth due to its atmosphere [Earth's frame of reference]. Otherwise, you fly straight out to space.
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/Straight.jpg)
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Look up the term "frame of reference".
Here's a simple scenario: in RE, you fly in a straight line [your frame of reference], but your flight path is actually curved down relative to the Earth due to its atmosphere [Earth's frame of reference]. Otherwise, you fly straight out to space.
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/Straight.jpg)
That ^ makes sense.
However I've re-read your previous posts and I really, honestly, don't understand what you mean.
Please could you explain again in simpler terms? And what "frame of reference" am I supposed to be using to be able to understand it, please? I just can't seem to get my head around it.
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Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]
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Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]
Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!
But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?
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Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]
Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!
But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?
Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.
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Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]
Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!
But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?
Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.
SOrry for being thick but can you explain how magnetic declination works? I don't think I've heard that term before.
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Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]
Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!
But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?
Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.
SOrry for being thick but can you explain how magnetic declination works? I don't think I've heard that term before.
Magnetic declination is the difference between where maps are drawn and where the compass points. As you travel the declnation changes. By looking at the RE declination map, it changes as much as 40 degrees, if you travel in a straight line, from Chile or Argentina or Peru. Although, I am not sure why it wouldn't be possible to travel along the Agonic line, the line of zero degrees declination. My geography is not all that hot, but it seems you could start in Mississippi and travel across the gulf, through Costa Rica travel the length of Peru, cut the corner on Chile and go across south America, traversing Argentina then back south to the continent of Antarctica. I would imagine that would be pretty hard to do though.
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Scenario #1: in FE, I fly my plane in a straight line to circumnavigate [my frame of reference], but my path is actually curved due to my compass [Earth's frame of reference]
Aha! I see what you mean now, thank you!
But what if, in FE, you wanted to fly in a straight line toward the ice wall so you flew directly away from the North Pole (which is the centre of FE, I believe). Then your compass should continue to point to North as being directly behind you, shouldn't it? So then you should be able to fly in a straight line due south toward the ice wall, shouldn't you?
Magnetic declination would not allow you to do that.
SOrry for being thick but can you explain how magnetic declination works? I don't think I've heard that term before.
Magnetic declination is the difference between where maps are drawn and where the compass points. As you travel the declnation changes. By looking at the RE declination map, it changes as much as 40 degrees, if you travel in a straight line, from Chile or Argentina or Peru. Although, I am not sure why it wouldn't be possible to travel along the Agonic line, the line of zero degrees declination. My geography is not all that hot, but it seems you could start in Mississippi and travel across the gulf, through Costa Rica travel the length of Peru, cut the corner on Chile and go across south America, traversing Argentina then back south to the continent of Antarctica. I would imagine that would be pretty hard to do though.
You say that the declination on RE is as much as 40 degrees - do we know what it is on FE?
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You say that the declination on RE is as much as 40 degrees - do we know what it is on FE?
We don't.
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I'd suggest you try and make FE declination tie in with the RE.
FE declination from celestial north/south should match RE declination perfectly, in order for the observations to work. Which basically means that in the northern hemiplane, it should be the same. Celestial south and geographic south are not always the same direction in FET, though.
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I'd suggest you try and make FE declination tie in with the RE.
FE declination from celestial north/south should match RE declination perfectly, in order for the observations to work. Which basically means that in the northern hemiplane, it should be the same. Celestial south and geographic south are not always the same direction in FET, though.
So my question still remains unanswered. What will happen if you set off with the North pole directly behind you and travel directly south toward the Ice Wall?
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So my question still remains unanswered. What will happen if you set off with the North pole directly behind you and travel directly south toward the Ice Wall?
You'd reach the Ice Wall and immediately be shot down by the guards.
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So my question still remains unanswered. What will happen if you set off with the North pole directly behind you and travel directly south toward the Ice Wall?
You'd reach the Ice Wall and immediately be shot down by the guards.
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So then, flying in a straight line IS possible as long as you're flying directly south, away from the North Pole!! Hurrah!!!
But this poses a new question. How does anyone know for sure that I'd reach the Ice wall and be shot down by the guards?
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I think TheCat deserves a Conspiracy medal for forcing a FE'er to refer to the conspiracy!
Well done! And only 23 posts! We'll have to keep an eye on you!
I thank you
I'm here all week ;D
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are you seriously telling everyone that you really belive the earth is flat
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But this poses a new question. How does anyone know for sure that I'd reach the Ice wall and be shot down by the guards?
We'd tie some string round your plane. When it goes limp we know you've been shot down.
are you seriously telling everyone that you really belive the earth is flat
A meeting of the minds. ;D
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But this poses a new question. How does anyone know for sure that I'd reach the Ice wall and be shot down by the guards?
We'd tie some string round your plane. When it goes limp we know you've been shot down. :'( :'( :'(
ETA: Sad face
Maybe I've just landed in the Ice wall and gone for a picnic?!?!? Just because I've gone limp it doesn't mean you should shun me :-[
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But this poses a new question. How does anyone know for sure that I'd reach the Ice wall and be shot down by the guards?
Because the Earth is flat, and since of all the explorers who have visited Antarctica, none have made it to the Ice Wall and returned to tell us what they saw, there must be someone or something stopping them.
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But this poses a new question. How does anyone know for sure that I'd reach the Ice wall and be shot down by the guards?
Because the Earth is flat, and since of all the explorers who have visited Antarctica, none have made it to the Ice Wall and returned to tell us what they saw, there must be someone or something stopping them.
Or.... No ice wall?
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Or.... No ice wall?
Well, that's a possibility. Of course, you could use the same logic to argue that because we don't know what someone would find if they dug to the centre of the Earth in RET, there is no centre of the Earth.
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Or.... No ice wall?
Well, that's a possibility. Of course, you could use the same logic to argue that because we don't know what someone would find if they dug to the centre of the Earth in RET, there is no centre of the Earth.
I could say, "No one has been to the center and back because gaurds killed them." But that just sounds silly.
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I could say, "No one has been to the center and back because gaurds killed them." But that just sounds silly.
What if people repeatedly travelled to the centre of the Earth, and many disappeared, but some returned saying it was not possible to reach it?
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I could say, "No one has been to the center and back because gaurds killed them." But that just sounds silly.
What if people repeatedly travelled to the centre of the Earth, and many disappeared, but some returned saying it was not possible to reach it?
How could we know if people repeatedly travelled to the center of the earth then? We would never know if anyone made it. But I think I'd say it was the FE gaurds...
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How could we know if people repeatedly travelled to the center of the earth then? We would never know if anyone made it. But I think I'd say it was the FE gaurds...
Exactly. It's more logical to assume that they're being stopped than it is to assume that their destination does not exist.
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How could we know if people repeatedly travelled to the center of the earth then? We would never know if anyone made it. But I think I'd say it was the FE gaurds...
Exactly. It's more logical to assume that they're being stopped than it is to assume that their destination does not exist.
Either the ice wall or the center of the (round)earth don't exist. So we have to assume one is real and one doesn't exist.
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Either the ice wall or the center of the (round)earth don't exist. So we have to assume one is real and one doesn't exist.
Correct. And since we don't have any documented evidence of journeys to such places, we have to rely on first hand evidence. When I look out of my window, the Earth appears flat. Therefore, it is flat, and it is the centre of the Round Earth that doesn't exist.
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So then, flying in a straight line IS possible as long as you're flying directly south, away from the North Pole!! Hurrah!!!
No. You path will still slightly be curved if you fly from the North to the edge. The ice wall is not the true South pole.
Q: "How can a compass work on a Flat Earth?"
A: The magnetic field is generated in the same fashion as with the RE. Thus, the magnetic south pole is near the geographic north pole, just like on the RE. The magnetic north pole is on the underside of the Earth. The Ice Wall is not the south pole, but acts as it, as it is the furthest from the center of the earth that you can follow the magnetic field. The field is vertical in this area, accounting for the aurora australis.
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Either the ice wall or the center of the (round)earth don't exist. So we have to assume one is real and one doesn't exist.
Correct. And since we don't have any documented evidence of journeys to such places, we have to rely on first hand evidence. When I look out of my window, the Earth appears flat. Therefore, it is flat, and it is the centre of the Round Earth that doesn't exist.
What creates magma in FE?
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What creates magma in FE?
Magma is being created, now? ???
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Well, whatever... Why does magma exist?
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What creates magma in FE?
Just like now magma is generated in RE...
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Is there anything that FE can explain that RE can't? Does it work both ways?
Sorry, I'm trying to learn, and I'm using this thread.
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FE and RE are pretty much the same. Some of the few differences are their shape and spaceflight.
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FE and RE are pretty much the same. Some of the few differences are their shape and spaceflight.
Okay?
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Well, you RE'ers seriously need to stop thinking about the FE being so much different than the RE.
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Well, you RE'ers seriously need to stop thinking about the FE being so much different than the RE.
Sorry? But how is there a forum built around the "look out your window" argument.
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The Flat Earth Society does not endorse anything said by Tom Bishop. In fact, just about everything he says is stupid.
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Either the ice wall or the center of the (round)earth don't exist. So we have to assume one is real and one doesn't exist.
Correct. And since we don't have any documented evidence of journeys to such places, we have to rely on first hand evidence. When I look out of my window, the Earth appears flat. Therefore, it is flat, and it is the centre of the Round Earth that doesn't exist.
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So you didn't really understand my previous quote? I thought so.
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So you didn't really understand my previous quote? I thought so.
You thought I did? Or you thought so I didn't? Because would not make sense.
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I already knew you would not understand my quote before you responded, that's why I posted the "thought so". ::) Learn2English.
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You got me good.
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What? You couldn't see my drawing?
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http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/MAGNETIC_11.jpg
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(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/Flat_earth111.jpg)
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/Flat_earth111.jpg
Underside of that red dot. Is this still too hard for you?
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It's hard for me if you don't tell me.
But now I'm confused. In the real world, there is a single southerly point where the magnetic field causes a compass to spin. (Because all directions are "north". The point has been visited on many occasions, and if you want to visit it yourself you can. Just apply here (http://www.amundsenomega3southpolerace.com/index.php?ID=12)
I know where this point is on a globe, but where is it on the flat earth?
I don't believe there is any single such point.
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It's hard for me if you don't tell me.
But now I'm confused. In the real world, there is a single southerly point where the magnetic field causes a compass to spin. (Because all directions are "north". The point has been visited on many occasions, and if you want to visit it yourself you can. Just apply here (http://www.amundsenomega3southpolerace.com/index.php?ID=12)
I know where this point is on a globe, but where is it on the flat earth?
The Earth's magnetic north pole is not located at the same point as the South Geographic Pole.
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i saw a film once about these guys and they were travelling around the world.(or across it).
One of them was British, one was from Kansas and the other was German. Anyway they all boarded a plane from France, they met there first to get to know each other, etc. France was a good starting spot as the camera men, etc were from there.
They flew from there to southern Italy, and took in Gondela trip before having lunch and checking into their hotel so as could get rid of their bags to explore the city more.
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Tell me where it is not where it isn't.
I'm meant in RET. You are talking about two different points as though they are the same point. When you provide clarification, so will I.
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No I'm not. I'm talking about the magnetic south pole. Show me where that is.
The Arctic Ocean, I believe.
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Uh... the geographic north pole is also in the Arctic Ocean.
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So both the magnetic poles are in the Arctic Ocean? What luck!
No, only the magnetic south pole. The geographic north pole is not a magnetic pole.
But what's the name for the spot in the (ahem) southern hemisphere where no compass reference point can be found.
Hint, somewhere near here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Magnetic_Pole
It's not even in within the ice wall, so plenty of people have been there...
That would be the South Magnetic Pole, which is also a magnetic north pole. It is defined simply as the point on the Earth's surface where the magnetic field lines point directly up, so I am inclined to believe that there is more than one of them in the FE model, or that instead of a point it is a continuous ring around the edge.
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And what patrols the ring?
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And what patrols the ring?
It probably isn't a ring. It doesn't really agree with observations for it to be one. But it is certainly a possibility.
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There's a single point on the earths surface called the magnetic north pole.
There is a single point on the earths surface called the magnetic south pole.
The magnetic north pole is somewhere in the arctic ocean.
To be a little more precise, it's not too far from 82.7° N 114.4° W (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_North_Pole)
The magnetic south pole is somewhere in the antarctic ocean
To be a little more precise, it's not too far from 63.5° S 138.0° E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_South_Pole)
Would you agree?
Switch those co-ordinates around, and yes, I would, in RET. In FET, I would only agree that there is a single magnetic south pole. There may be multiple magnetic north poles.
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You've just contradicted E.Jack:
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/Persistenxe/Flat_earth111.jpg)
There is no contradiction. I thought you've read the FAQ, but it looked like you've not. The magnetic south pole is located at the geographic north pole, while the magnetic north pole is located underside of that.
Thus, the magnetic south pole is near the geographic north pole
So you admit that you were just being dumb?
Wow. The magnetic south pole is in the north?
Yeah, why?
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So both the magnetic poles are in the Arctic Ocean? What luck!
Look up the word "underside".
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But Steve, there is no FE and RE only what is observable. From those observations we make assumptions on the shape of the earth. The coordinates I gave you are observed and recorded. They fit with the assumption of a Round Earth, but not that of a Flat Earth.
They do? So the north pole of a magnet points south? ???
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... When I look out of my window, the Earth appears flat. Therefore, it is flat, and it is the centre of the Round Earth that doesn't exist.
Sorry to come back to this - how would the view from your window differ if the earth was round and had a circumference of almost 25,000 miles (as proposed by the RE model)? It would look as it looks now surely?
(... sorry if I seem to be picking on you today - you just happen to be the one who provoked a couple of questions! ;) )
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Sorry to come back to this - how would the view from your window differ if the earth was round and had a circumference of almost 25,000 miles (as proposed by the RE model)? It would look as it looks now surely?
(... sorry if I seem to be picking on you today - you just happen to be the one who provoked a couple of questions! ;) )
It wouldn't, but that's like saying that the Andromeda galaxy is made of antimatter because our view of it wouldn't differ in such a case provided it was not in contact with matter. We would need additional evidence to consider it a reasonable possibility.
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After reading these forums for a few hours I can safely say that video evidence will not disprove FET, because all pictures and/or videos can be faked. Even if a respected member of the forum was to post video footage of the earth from space which they took themselves it would be discounted as the government using their name to release more fake images.
I would like to see an example of a situation that would prove to a FE theorist that the earth is round. (Please don't say "you can't! it's flat!)
For instance, here is what would prove the earth is flat:
Legitimate news agency films the ice wall. Hell, even a picture would do. CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC, NYTimes, Boston Globe, AP, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, ect.
And now, a picture of a mountain won't do. I'd like to see the ocean hitting a wall of ice that's covering the horizon from one of these news agencies.
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After reading these forums for a few hours I can safely say that video evidence will not disprove FET, because all pictures and/or videos can be faked. Even if a respected member of the forum was to post video footage of the earth from space which they took themselves it would be discounted as the government using their name to release more fake images.
I would like to see an example of a situation that would prove to a FE theorist that the earth is round. (Please don't say "you can't! it's flat!)
For instance, here is what would prove the earth is flat:
Legitimate news agency films the ice wall. Hell, even a picture would do. CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC, NYTimes, Boston Globe, AP, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, ect.
And now, a picture of a mountain won't do. I'd like to see the ocean hitting a wall of ice that's covering the horizon from one of these news agencies.
(http://www.mbari.org/benthic/images/Antslides/ice%20shelf.jpg)
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http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/images/gallery/B15Aedge.jpg
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/frigate.jpg
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ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FE!!!
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ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FE!!!
Indeed. That frigate is obviously guarding the ice wall. The Earth is flat!
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ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FE!!!
Indeed. That frigate is obviously guarding the ice wall. The Earth is flat!
Maybe that frigate is trying to keep the killer penguins in. Did you conspiracy types ever think of that? Hmm...
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Penguins can't swim. They commit mass suicide like lemmings.
That's right, penguins can't swim. They fly underwater (ever heard of water wings?).
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im curious.... there are no guards in any of your pictures. are they invisible??? and if these ships have reached the ice wall, why didn't the guards shoot them as you propose they would do? i don't wanna bring up anything about the government allowing these pictures because as you all know the government is not involved in the conspiracy.
btw... does NASA employ super-secret-invisible-ultra soldiers?
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im curious.... there are no guards in any of your pictures. are they invisible??? and if these ships have reached the ice wall, why didn't the guards shoot them as you propose they would do? i don't wanna bring up anything about the government allowing these pictures because as you all know the government is not involved in the conspiracy.
btw... does NASA employ super-secret-invisible-ultra soldiers?
I don't think the ice wall is actively guarded really. So I doubt there are super-secret-invisible-ultra soldiers in the picture, but if you find one let me know.