The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: WardoggKC130FE on June 20, 2008, 02:08:32 PM
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These guys trekked acrossed Antarctica in 220 days, on foot.
Are they in on the conspiracy as well?
http://www.willsteger.com/content/section/19/97 (http://www.willsteger.com/content/section/19/97)
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They went to the marker that denotes the "south pole" and then went back to the coast via a different route? I'm not sure why that's impossible.
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They went to the marker that denotes the "south pole" and then went back to the coast via a different route? I'm not sure why that's impossible.
The article, at least to my interpretation, indicates otherwise.
...in March they reached the opposite side of the continent.
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They went to the marker that denotes the "south pole" and then went back to the coast via a different route? I'm not sure why that's impossible.
Where exactly is this marker, on the ring that is Antarctica in FET? How about a Lat Long or something. Are there multiple markers? If I hit the coast in the wrong spot it would make it a long trek just to get to the marker don't you think? And then to head off to the OPPOSITE coast would definately take longer than 220 days.
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The guy actually walked in circles even though he knows he's waling in a straight line
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Here Ill provide you with a map. Please mark the south pole marker for me.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Flat_earth.jpg)
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The guy actually walked in circles even though he knows he's waling in a straight line
You mean around the circumference? Wouldn't that mean he would have to have walked thousands and thousands of miles? Clearly, he didn't go that far.
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The guy actually walked in circles even though he knows he's waling in a straight line
You mean around the circumference? Wouldn't that mean he would have to have walked thousands and thousands of miles? Clearly, he didn't go that far.
He has a point, it's poosible to make unnoticed a detour, but that is a really large one.
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The guy actually walked in circles even though he knows he's waling in a straight line
You mean around the circumference? Wouldn't that mean he would have to have walked thousands and thousands of miles? Clearly, he didn't go that far.
It's just an excuse FE'ers use when pilots fly over antarctica
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Win for RE
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Win for RE
One of many. I'm just waiting for the "Those guys are really in on the conspiracy and didn't actually do what they said they did" argument. You could almost set your watch to it.
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You'd really have to reliably know exactly where they began and ended the trip.
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I'd have to see a map of their route, and compare it with my hypothesized map of the Antarctic. I'm not at home right now though. I'll try to remember to get a few minutes at work to work on it.
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Is that map I provided not good enough for a south pole marker spot?
I will look for a map of their route.
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Ok Heres what I came up with. I cannot find an actual route map. What is listed is their starting point and ending point.
If you look at this map they started at the antarctic peninsula (at about the 10 o'clock position on the map) and ended at the Mirnyy station (3 o'clock position on the map)
Now in RET this is 3471 miles. *updated*
In FET??? - (FE enters value here)
(http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/MapSatellite/AntarcticStationsMap.gif)
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So no one wants to mark the South Pole Marker for me on my first map?
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It doesn't matter. All of these expeditions and bases on Antarctica are government funded.
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It doesn't matter. All of these expeditions and bases on Antarctica are government funded.
Ok fine. But you do acknowledge somewhere on Antarctica (the lesser ice wall as you call it) is a marker that says geographic south pole dont you?
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It doesn't matter. All of these expeditions and bases on Antarctica are government funded.
That's a nice way of dodging having to put any of these locations on a map, which has yet to be done in any thread
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Ok fine. But you do acknowledge somewhere on Antarctica (the lesser ice wall as you call it) is a marker that says geographic south pole dont you?
Sure, I'd imagine the American marker is somewhere 90oS, which is a ring of land 1,500 miles inland of the antarctic coast. If the American explorers who planted it left from the tip of South America, then the tip of South America probably points towards the marker.
The Russian markers and bases are probably in an area southward of Russia, the New Zealand markers and bases are southward of New Zealand, while the Australian markers and bases are probably southward of Australia.
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Ok fine. But you do acknowledge somewhere on Antarctica (the lesser ice wall as you call it) is a marker that says geographic south pole dont you?
Sure, I'd imagine the American marker is somewhere 90oS, which is a ring of land 1,500 miles inland of the antarctic coast. If the American explorers who planted it left from the tip of South America, then the tip of South America probably points towards the marker.
The Russian markers and bases are probably in an area southward of Russia, the New Zealand markers and bases are southward of New Zealand, while the Australian markers and bases are probably southward of Australia.
Hilarious. What about the base that is at the south pole? Are these bases and markers exactly the same? So that a Russian explorer that just happened to start at New Zealand instead of his normal starting point wouldn't be confused when he got to what he thought was his own marker?
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What about the base that is at the south pole?
The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is at 90oS, a distance of 1,500 miles inland of the Antarctic Rim. Since the base is American built and operated, its location is likely southward of South America.
Are these bases and markers exactly the same? So that a Russian explorer that just happened to start at New Zealand instead of his normal starting point wouldn't be confused when he got to what he thought was his own marker?
If the explorers start from a different starting point then they would not find their markers and will get lost and die in the fringed icy wasteland of Antarctica. That could be why so many Antarctic explorers have disappeared since the turn of the last century.
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What about the base that is at the south pole?
The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is at 90oS, a distance of 1,500 miles inland of the Antarctic Rim. Since the base is American built and operated, its location is likely southward of South America.
Are these bases and markers exactly the same? So that a Russian explorer that just happened to start at New Zealand instead of his normal starting point wouldn't be confused when he got to what he thought was his own marker?
If the explorers start from a different starting point then they would not find their markers and will get lost and die in the fringed icy wasteland of Antarctica. That could be why so many Antarctic explorers have disappeared since the turn of the last century.
What about an American scientist that is already at the south pole station. And an Australian scientist shows up and says he started from Australia. How would he be able to head due south and run into the same station the American is at?
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What about the base that is at the south pole?
The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is at 90oS, a distance of 1,500 miles inland of the Antarctic Rim. Since the base is American built and operated, its location is likely southward of South America.
Are these bases and markers exactly the same? So that a Russian explorer that just happened to start at New Zealand instead of his normal starting point wouldn't be confused when he got to what he thought was his own marker?
If the explorers start from a different starting point then they would not find their markers and will get lost and die in the fringed icy wasteland of Antarctica. That could be why so many Antarctic explorers have disappeared since the turn of the last century.
What about an American scientist that is already at the south pole station. And an Australian scientist shows up and says he started from Australia. How would he be able to head due south and run into the same station the American is at?
Show the documentation of such events and then we'll have something to respond to.
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What about an American scientist that is already at the south pole station. And an Australian scientist shows up and says he started from Australia. How would he be able to head due south and run into the same station the American is at?
That doesn't happen, first of all. Russian or Australian explorers leaving from their home countries don't go looking for American markers or bases. They only look for their own.
Random Australian explorers don't go looking for American markers or bases because they're not allowed to cross onto American claimed territory under treaty. Americans don't look for Australian markers or bases because they're not allowed to cross into Australian claimed territory. Each country has claim to their own little part of Antarctica southwards of them.
If the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station does have foreign nationals stationed there, they would be under proper authorization and would have arrived with the regular staff who set sail southward of South America with the US NAVY.
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What about the base that is at the south pole?
The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is at 90oS, a distance of 1,500 miles inland of the Antarctic Rim. Since the base is American built and operated, its location is likely southward of South America.
Are these bases and markers exactly the same? So that a Russian explorer that just happened to start at New Zealand instead of his normal starting point wouldn't be confused when he got to what he thought was his own marker?
If the explorers start from a different starting point then they would not find their markers and will get lost and die in the fringed icy wasteland of Antarctica. That could be why so many Antarctic explorers have disappeared since the turn of the last century.
What about an American scientist that is already at the south pole station. And an Australian scientist shows up and says he started from Australia. How would he be able to head due south and run into the same station the American is at?
Show the documentation of such events and then we'll have something to respond to.
So its never happened? Australians never make it to the supposed American South Pole Station/marker (which according to Tom is 1500 miles due south of South America.
What about an American scientist that is already at the south pole station. And an Australian scientist shows up and says he started from Australia. How would he be able to head due south and run into the same station the American is at?
That doesn't happen, first of all. Russian or Australian explorers leaving from their home countries don't go looking for American markers or bases. They only look for their own.
Random Australian explorers don't go looking for American markers because they're not allowed to cross onto American claimed territory under treaty. Americans don't look for Norwegian markers because they're not allowed to encroach onto the Norwegian claim of Antarctica.
If the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station does have foreign nationals stationed there, they would have arrived with the regular staff who set sail southward of South America via the US NAVY.
Ok....just for the record.....how many countries have their own marker for the geographical south pole?
And what about the guys that say they crossed in 220 days? That didnt happen either?
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And yet none of this will ever be plotted on a map since there is no mutually agreed on map for the flat earth
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The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is at 90oS, a distance of 1,500 miles inland of the Antarctic Rim. Since the base is American built and operated, its location is likely southward of South America.
The most interesting thing about the FE model Amundsen-Scott is while the Station itself is located at 139°16 W, below Australia and such, the airstrip for it is located at 0° E, essentially on the other side of the planet. I do wonder what GPS devices do in that kind of situation.
And I've no idea where you got the idea of the base being located south of South America from. The main method of getting to the base is from McMurdo Station, about 2,200 km from New Zealand.
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It doesn't matter. All of these expeditions and bases on Antarctica are government funded.
Except for the privately funded expeditions.
http://www.adventure-network.com/subpage.asp?navid=1&id=15
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Sorry Ive been gone for awhile. No one to keep the post going so the FE'ers just ignore a legit post. Typical.
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Sorry Ive been gone for awhile. No one to keep the post going so the FE'ers just ignore a legit post. Typical.
What legit post? You claimed without basis that people arrive at the South Pole Station from various continents around the rim.
You're wrong. Neither Russia, Australia, or New Zealand have permission to cross into US territory in attempt to find the South Pole Station.
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Sorry Ive been gone for awhile. No one to keep the post going so the FE'ers just ignore a legit post. Typical.
What legit post? You claimed without basis that people arrive at the South Pole Station from various continents around the rim.
You're wrong. Neither Russia, Australia, or New Zealand have permission to cross into US territory in attempt to find the South Pole Station.
The US has no territorial claims in Antarctica. A cursory amount of research would have told you this. In fact the US-run, McMurdo Station is located in New Zealand territory.
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Sorry Ive been gone for awhile. No one to keep the post going so the FE'ers just ignore a legit post. Typical.
What legit post? You claimed without basis that people arrive at the South Pole Station from various continents around the rim.
You're wrong. Neither Russia, Australia, or New Zealand have permission to cross into US territory in attempt to find the South Pole Station.
Actually I claimed with basis that men crossed the entire Antartica continent in 220 days on foot. Which would be impossible in FET.
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Sorry Ive been gone for awhile. No one to keep the post going so the FE'ers just ignore a legit post. Typical.
What legit post? You claimed without basis that people arrive at the South Pole Station from various continents around the rim.
You're wrong. Neither Russia, Australia, or New Zealand have permission to cross into US territory in attempt to find the South Pole Station.
The US has no territorial claims in Antarctica. A cursory amount of research would have told you this. In fact the US-run, McMurdo Station is located in New Zealand territory.
^ Proves TB just makes stuff up. Explain yourself Tom! >:(
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That's not impossible. (But unlike the other Flat Earthers, I think the Ice Wall is beyond the North Pole, not the South Pole.)
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That's not impossible. (But unlike the other Flat Earthers, I think the Ice Wall is beyond the North Pole, not the South Pole.)
If the wall is circular, isn't it beyond both poles?
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That's not impossible. (But unlike the other Flat Earthers, I think the Ice Wall is beyond the North Pole, not the South Pole.)
In FET Antartica is a ring that surrounds the outer rim of the known earth. The mileage involed to cover half the circumfrence of the ring in 220 days by foot and dogsled would be impossible.
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I'm not sure how this is possible, especially given my current theorized map for the Antarctic. I'll think about it. Sorry for the late reply, been buys as of late.
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I'm not sure how this is possible, especially given my current theorized map for the Antarctic. I'll think about it. Sorry for the late reply, been buys as of late.
I would love to see your map.
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Show the documentation of such events and then we'll have something to respond to.
What good would that do! You FE'rs have demonstrated time and time again that whenever RE'rs shown documentation, however convincing, that supports their views, you simply dismiss it as a lie and a product of the mythical conspiracy you insist upon!
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With all the noobs running around I thought I would bump a decent thread.
I never did see that map username.
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Even in the older topics, valid arguments for a Flat Earth never get due attention.
Adding to this conversation -- a worthy one to debunk the Flat Earth Myth -- here's a google link for crossing the Antarctic Circle:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Crossing+Antarctica&aq=o&oq=
As I write this, there are 211,000 hits on the search, including privately funded journeys, many independent detailed accounts of personal crossings and open invitations to be the next to make the crossing.
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This thread was before I converted. I have since seen the error of my ways.
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This thread was before I converted. I have since seen the error of my ways.
Before you converted to believing in the spherical earth?
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NEVAR!
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This thread is quite good and the argument you made before becoming a FE'er is very good evidence against FET.
I applaude you for this.
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This thread is quite good and the argument you made before becoming a FE'er is very good evidence against FET.
I applaude you for this.
The problem is there is no proof they said what they did. More than likely they were funded by some government to go away for 220 days and then come out saying they had done it. Its happened before.
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More than likely they were funded by some government to go away for 220 days and then come out saying they had done it.
And you can show that this is what happened?
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More than likely they were funded by some government to go away for 220 days and then come out saying they had done it.
And you can show that this is what happened?
Don't have to. It is impossible to do in FET. Can you show anything else?
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Don't have to. It is impossible to do in FET. Can you show anything else?
Its impossible for people to be funded by some government to go away for 220 days. Eh? Yet you say it happened. Eh?
Your posts make no sense at all.
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Man basic reading comprehension really doesn't have a grip on you huh?
Its impossible to walk the ring of Antarctica in 220 days. So they must not have actually did what they say they did. IE probably funded by the government to go away for 220 days and then come out saying they did it.
Have you got that now? Or do I need to write it in Dr. Seuss form.
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I did not do it, Scolese-I-am,
I did not traverse the Antarctic span.
I did not do it in a car,
I did not do it in a jeep,
I did not even employ
a high-jumping Vo-veep!
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Epic.
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Its impossible to walk the ring of Antarctica in 220 days. So they must not have actually did what they say they did. IE probably funded by the government to go away for 220 days and then come out saying they did it.
Right. So you can show that government funded them to stay away, and then reappear.
Or is all this useless conjecture?
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see that little stick of ice that pokes out of the Ice Wall? if a magnetic mineral deposit (natural or artificial) was there, it could royally srew up the expeditions compass enough to make them think they had jus passed the south pole.
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see that little stick of ice that pokes out of the Ice Wall? if a magnetic mineral deposit (natural or artificial) was there, it could royally srew up the expeditions compass enough to make them think they had jus passed the south pole.
The magnetic south pole is several hundred miles away from the geographic south pole so a compass would be pretty useless for finding the geographic south pole.
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true, but this could cause the illusion that the geographic south pole had been reached.
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true, but this could cause the illusion that the geographic south pole had been reached.
Only if you don't know the difference between the two.
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Win for RE
One of many. I'm just waiting for the "Those guys are really in on the conspiracy and didn't actually do what they said they did" argument. You could almost set your watch to it.
It doesn't matter. All of these expeditions and bases on Antarctica are government funded.
Right on time ;D