The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Auburn on May 31, 2008, 09:25:08 AM
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Hey, new here, so, er hi.
Anyways this is something that got me thinking, and I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned (yea, I tried searching, but nothing came up) so anyways here's my question:
If a FE rotated on its center, the same way a plate would when balanced on a pole, gravity could be induced, if it was spun fast enough....?
To me anyways it seems like it could: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity
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If by gravity you mean holding us against the ice wall, then yeah, kinda. Both are fictitious forces, so you're almost on to something.
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In general, when this question about centrifugal effects is raised, it is claimed that we wouldn't notice. That's pretty much the FE answer.
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Hey, new here, so, er hi.
Anyways this is something that got me thinking, and I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned (yea, I tried searching, but nothing came up) so anyways here's my question:
If a FE rotated on its center, the same way a plate would when balanced on a pole, gravity could be induced, if it was spun fast enough....?
To me anyways it seems like it could: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity
This would work if, for example, a giant tied a string around the north pole and swung the flat earth in a large arc.
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
In that it can't be explained?
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
In that it can't be explained?
In that the accelerating FE is so enigmatic.
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
In that it can't be explained?
In that the accelerating FE is so enigmatic.
How so? We propose that it is a fundamental nature of our universe to accelerate linearly upward. The earth shields up, but nothing can escape this acceleration (for the earth moves us along with it).
That is simple, and elegant.
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
In that it can't be explained?
In that the accelerating FE is so enigmatic.
How so? We propose that it is a fundamental nature of our universe to accelerate linearly upward. The earth shields up, but nothing can escape this acceleration (for the earth moves us along with it).
That is simple, and elegant.
And completely unverifiable, therefore, enigmatic.
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
In that it can't be explained?
In that the accelerating FE is so enigmatic.
How so? We propose that it is a fundamental nature of our universe to accelerate linearly upward. The earth shields up, but nothing can escape this acceleration (for the earth moves us along with it).
That is simple, and elegant.
And completely unverifiable, therefore, enigmatic.
Can you verify gravity? That we are attracted to the earth based on our mass?
Because I can verify acceleration, and that it produces exactly the effects observed.
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Because I can verify acceleration, and that it produces exactly the effects observed.
Perhaps not exactly. Accelerating earth does not explain local variations in gravitational acceleration. Geologists and geophysicists can measure this to infer the location of various large geologic formations underground.
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Seems unlikely though. The accelerating earth is more elegant.
In that it can't be explained?
In that the accelerating FE is so enigmatic.
How so? We propose that it is a fundamental nature of our universe to accelerate linearly upward. The earth shields up, but nothing can escape this acceleration (for the earth moves us along with it).
That is simple, and elegant.
And completely unverifiable, therefore, enigmatic.
Can you verify gravity? That we are attracted to the earth based on our mass?
Because I can verify acceleration, and that it produces exactly the effects observed.
Gravity/gravitation is not my specialty, so I do not have the background to conduct a proper investigation into the matter (which is the main reason that I tend to avoid commenting on it).
Can you verify the source and nature of the UA and how it is able to interact with the FE, sun and moon?
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What I'm saying is that when the flat earth spins, they'll be two forces actin on us - the centrifugal force, and the centripetal force. This two forces, instead of pushing us either way, would instead hold us down...
Scientists have been talking about this for years. They're trying to make spaceships that rotate as such to produce A G, so - it does seem likely our FE might be based on the same concept.
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And completely unverifiable, therefore, enigmatic.
Step up onto your chair and walk off its edge. While you are in free-fall observe the surface of the earth carefully. You will see that the earth accelerates upwards towards you.
There we see that the earth is accelerating. Now how can you demonstrate that the earth is not accelerating and that subatomic particles called "gravitons" are really pulling us towards the surface of the earth?
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And completely unverifiable, therefore, enigmatic.
Step up onto your chair and walk off its edge. While you are in free-fall observe the surface of the earth carefully. You will see that the earth accelerates upwards towards you.
How is that different from falling due to gravity, it shouldn't look any different to the observer
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How is that different from falling due to gravity, it shouldn't look any different to the observer
That's true. But I'm making a simple test anyone can perform. It's easy to step off of a chair and see that the earth is accelerating upwards.
However it's impossible to test whether tiny invisible subatomic particles called "gravitons" are pulling everything down towards the earth. The Round Earth explanation for the effect is untestable.
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How is that different from falling due to gravity, it shouldn't look any different to the observer
That's true. But I'm making a simple test anyone can perform. It's easy to step off of a chair and see that the earth is accelerating upwards.
However it's impossible to test whether tiny invisible subatomic particles called "gravitons" are pulling everything down towards the earth. The Round Earth explanation for the effect is untestable.
That's incorrect. Allow me to demonstrate by altering your post:
"It's easy to step off of a chair and see that we are accelerating towards it
However it's impossible to test whether an invisible force is accelerating the Earth upwards. The Flat Earth explanation for the effect is untestable."
Works both ways Tommy boy.
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How is that different from falling due to gravity, it shouldn't look any different to the observer
That's true. But I'm making a simple test anyone can perform. It's easy to step off of a chair and see that the earth is accelerating upwards.
However it's impossible to test whether tiny invisible subatomic particles called "gravitons" are pulling everything down towards the earth. The Round Earth explanation for the effect is untestable.
But there's the same hollow argument that I heard an FE believer give in another topic, and that was that if you look out of your window, the Earth looks flat, and that proves it. That isn't proof, that's just an idle observation. I refuted that in that topic, so I'm not going to again.
I admit, in the same way yes, there's no way of proving that whatever it is that causes you to fall to Earth is gravity, but just because it isn't there staring you in the face doesn't mean that it might not be so.
Just because the earth seems to rush up to meet you doesn't mean it is actually moving towards you, there might actually be a deeper explanation.
To me, for someone to say if you step off a chair, and look closely, the Earth appears to accelerate towards you, therefore that is proof that the Earth is accelerating, seems so weak and devoid of question.
The fact remains that I've not seen anyone on this board that give any good reason for anyone to believe that the Flat Earth theory is anything other than complete baloney. I'm waiting, highly anticipating someone to change that, but it's not happened yet.
And yet it's funny that despite all the evidence that there is for the Earth being a sphere, photos from space, experiments that have been done, lunar constellations, the setting and rising of the sun (as opposed to the fading out and fading in of the Sun, which is how the FE theory seems to describe what happens), plus the famous photo from the Moon of the earth in all it's spherical splendour, it's WE, the round earth believers that seem to be having to convince the FE folk of the way things are. I think that should be different.
You lot bang on about the FE theory without putting forward anything other than shaky reasons like 'it's a conspiracy' or 'movtive unknown, but probably money'.
I'm still unconvinced that this place isn't just a huge joke.