The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: WardoggKC130FE on May 31, 2008, 01:15:09 AM
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Kind of slow tonite. So I poked around some in old threads and whatnot and couldn't find a definitive list of everyone that's in on the conspiracy. So I thought I would compile a list. Please add to if I miss anyone.
1. All the worlds governments.(Not sure if this includes everyone in the government or just the head of the government at the time.)
2. Nasa including every astronaut ever, and at the bare minimum all the mission control guys in both Houston and at the Cape.
3. JPL lab where most of our stuff to Mars is controled from. Not sure how deep that goes.
4. Every satellite TV company
5. Every GPS manufacturer(which by the way used to be a military only system. Guess they thought the would try it out on us first to see if we would believe in it.)
6. Every satellite Phone manufacturer
7. The weather channel, Alot of their images come from weather satellites.
8. U-2, SR-71 and any other pilots who cruise around above 60,000 ft and have actually seen the curvature of the earth while in flight.
9. An entire Air Force base in the Azores, where the shuttle might land after taking off from Florida.
10. Whomever they are using to actually guard and maintain security at the icewall. For the entire life of that person.
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Thats just silly. they don't all need to be in on it.
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1. All the worlds governments.(Not sure if this includes everyone in the government or just the head of the government at the time.)
Not at all. I suspect most of members of the various world governments are completely duped like everyone else. Why/how would they know?
2. Nasa including every astronaut ever, and at the bare minimum all the mission control guys in both Houston and at the Cape.
Most people in NASA are no doubt fine people. There are, however, at the highest levels some bad seeds. I'm not sure it includes all the mission control people, but certainly some of them, yes.
3. JPL lab where most of our stuff to Mars is controled from. Not sure how deep that goes.
Again, just like the guys at mission control, they are analyzing data. They don't know where it comes from (ie, from a backlot studio, or from space/mars/moon, etc)
4. Every satellite TV company
These companies don't launch their own satellites. They pay NASA to do it. I'm sure they expect the satellites would be launched. I'd think they'd be pissed to know they paid hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars to NASA to launch satellites when a stratellite costs so very much less.
5. Every GPS manufacturer(which by the way used to be a military only system. Guess they thought the would try it out on us first to see if we would believe in it.)
Again, satellites aren't necessary for GPS to work. Some of the military may know that satellites don't exist, but I certainly don't think it is any where near a majority.
6. Every satellite Phone manufacturer
See Satellite TV company.
7. The weather channel, Alot of their images come from weather satellites.
Again, they get high altitude pictures from what they think are satellites. No conspiracy involvement is needed or expected as it relates to your neighborly meteorologists.
8. U-2, SR-71 and any other pilots who cruise around above 60,000 ft and have actually seen the curvature of the earth while in flight.
Any such pilot who claimed to see this curvature would probably be in on it.As explained in several threads, some curvature would be expected in the FE model (as seen from altitude).
9. An entire Air Force base in the Azores, where the shuttle might land after taking off from Florida.
A base like Lejes would be ideal. A few hundred qualified people could quietly take care of what needs to be done there. If it was Lejes Field itself it would certainly involve more people.
10. Whomever they are using to actually guard and maintain security at the icewall. For the entire life of that person.
I suspect very few people (if any) actually guard the wall. The size and remoteness of Antarctica ensures it stays secret. Sensors and a few roving patrols supported by aircraft would be more than sufficient to guard the wall. Not only would an intruder need to get all the way to the ice wall, they also would need to make it safely back -- this is not as easy as it seems, even in the absence of any security.
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1. Thats not what the FAQs say
2. and 3. So if its not the people watching the data then there is still a large amount of people producing the data. To write that kind of code for programs to run missions that aren't happening for long peoriods of time (the mars rovers have been going for like 4-5 years now) would be the same amount of people.
4. and 6. Someone somewhere in each of these companies has to know.
5. ...I cant fight this argument. I haven't researched enough on the non satellite GPS theory.
7. How high would I have to be to get this pic. And if you notice this one pic not a bunch of them put together. Further more even if it was a bunch of them put together How many fake weather satellites would it take?
(http://images.intellicast.com/WeatherImg/SatelliteLoop/hiatlsat_None_anim.gif)
8. Another one I cant fight.
9. With Trans-Atlantic routes all over someone sometime would have seen the shuttle come back to earth to soon in the past 28 years. The laws of probability i think would apply here
10. The problem is you guys can't agree on how big the ice wall is other than its height. Let me ask you this. Roughly what is the FE's outer circumference distance.
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1. The FAQ is misleading on this point. It has also been written to be somewhat humourous (see Chukwa and Maha-pudma reference).
2/3. There are certainly people involved in manufacturing the data.
4/6. Likely, but I think unnecessary.
7. I doubt your digital image is a photograph by definition. It would not be difficult to make a seamless composite.
10. Noone knows because we've not traveled that far; few have. This has led to speculation that earth is an infinite plane (though I have not myself embraced that).
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1. The FAQ is misleading on this point. It has also been written to be somewhat humourous (see Chukwa and Maha-pudma reference).
2/3. There are certainly people involved in manufacturing the data.
4/6. Likely, but I think unnecessary.
7. I doubt your digital image is a photograph by definition. It would not be difficult to make a seamless composite.
10. Noone knows because we've not traveled that far; few have. This has led to speculation that earth is an infinite plane (though I have not myself embraced that).
1. So now the FAQs cant be trusted
2/3 the point is it would take roughly the same amount of people. IE alot of them.
7. Come on man, you can do better than that. I can see the clouds and if I was in NC or any other location on the map I could go outside and look up and see exactly what was on there. Also even if it "wouldn't be difficult to make a composite" How many shots would it take to cover that kind of area?
10. There seems to be alot of things about FET that no one knows.
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1. There are several points in the FAQ I would disagree with. That is just one of many. There are several different models. Just like RET you will find many points of divergence within the community. This is because we each go where we feel the evidence leads us, not on what the FAQ or ENaG says.
2/3. They have had years to prepare data for the Phoenix lander (for example). The program took wing in 2003. That's alot of time for a relatively small group to produce data. Notice, I didn't say there were 3 guys behind the curtain, only there doesn't need to be as big a group as you suppose.
7. You're looking at a digital image. How hard is it to compile digital images? Not very. A few stratellites would cover that region. I'm not convinced your "picture" is really representative of only one picture to begin with. Assuming it was meant to be, then you could reproduce that.
10. There seem to be a staggering number of things no one knows in RE theory as well. I don't have thousands of scientists world-wide working under the assumption that the earth is flat to "round" out the details.
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Ok so give me your best guess. How much of the population of the globe knows the "truth" today. We wont even start with the past.
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The FAQ is a starting point. It's there to help noobs from asking the more obvious questions, like "How can I goes around teh earth?"
As Ski points out, it was also meant to be humorous, in the turtles and elephants reference, and arguably the ice wall guards, and probably a few other things too. Maybe that was a misguided approach. There's also a lot of verifiable physics and other scientific fact mixed in that somehow goes over the heads of many supposedly intelligent REers who have supposedly read the FAQ. And we have a stickied "Gravity" thread that explains everything from both a FE and a RE POV in the first several posts that many REers posting about gravity seem to just choose to not read. It's a stickied thread for a reason.
There are debatable points in FE theory, and these forums exist for a reason. The only reason I ever direct people to the FAQ is when somebody asks something that's clearly explained there.
Ok so give me your best guess. How much of the population of the globe knows the "truth" today. We wont even start with the past.
I'd say probably a few hundred people, globally. One in ten million, perhaps as many as one in five million.
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I'd say probably a few hundred people, globally. One in ten million, perhaps as many as one in five million.
I forget are you are RE'er or FE'er
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Ok so give me your best guess. How much of the population of the globe knows the "truth" today. We wont even start with the past.
I'd say probably a few hundred people, globally. One in ten million, perhaps as many as one in five million.
I'd even allow for a few thousand perhaps.
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Ok so give me your best guess. How much of the population of the globe knows the "truth" today. We wont even start with the past.
I'd say probably a few hundred people, globally. One in ten million, perhaps as many as one in five million.
I'd even allow for a few thousand perhaps.
It's possible. How could we possibly know?
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Roundy are you a FE'er or RE'er?
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I think my sig makes it obvious.
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I'd say probably a few hundred people, globally. One in ten million, perhaps as many as one in five million.
Well to reference something as globally, doesnt that have to include a, uh...globe?
Interesting if true. Stay tuned for more TALES OF INTEREST!
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I'd say probably a few hundred people, globally. One in ten million, perhaps as many as one in five million.
Well to reference something as globally, doesnt that have to include a, uh...globe?
Interesting if true. Stay tuned for more TALES OF INTEREST!
Yeah, I also sometimes say atmosphere instead of atmoplane, which is technically what it is. You have to speak down to REers in order for them to understand you sometimes. "Globally" is a common way of saying "around the earth" (which itself is a common way of saying "across the earth" which is what it really is but that might go over many REers' heads, and then you have to explain it for them to understand, and it's just really inconvenient and troublesome).
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Just admit it. You know the globe is a globe and you just get on here to see if you can rile people up. Its ok. We all have to have hobbies.
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That list has too few people on it.
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Just admit it. You know the globe is a globe and you just get on here to see if you can rile people up. Its ok. We all have to have hobbies.
That is an attack on my character. Ad hominem attacks have no place in debate.
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It's hard to remove all references to "globes", "atmospheres" and "hemispheres" from your lexicon when you are trying to find a common language to converse with.
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Just admit it. You know the globe is a globe and you just get on here to see if you can rile people up. Its ok. We all have to have hobbies.
That is an attack on my character. Ad hominem attacks have no place in debate.
You'll know when Im attacking your character.
Ski, Instead of globally he could have used "on the entire earth" I stuck the globally in just to see. And sure enough a FE'er used it.
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Just admit it. You know the globe is a globe and you just get on here to see if you can rile people up. Its ok. We all have to have hobbies.
That is an attack on my character. Ad hominem attacks have no place in debate.
You'll know when Im attacking your character.
Ski, Instead of globally he could have used "on the entire earth" I stuck the globally in just to see. And sure enough a FE'er used it.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here...
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Just admit it. You know the globe is a globe and you just get on here to see if you can rile people up. Its ok. We all have to have hobbies.
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The earth is flat.
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Don't worry dude your secret is safe with me.
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The earth is flat.
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;)
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Another victory for FE!
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Actually its another victory for RE. An FE'er has come out of the proverbial closet. Or even more technically has been found in the closet.
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Ski, Instead of globally he could have used "on the entire earth" I stuck the globally in just to see. And sure enough a FE'er used it.
So this is the best you can do now? Truly pathetic.
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Yeah, I also sometimes say atmosphere instead of atmoplane
Brilliant.
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Ski, Instead of globally he could have used "on the entire earth" I stuck the globally in just to see. And sure enough a FE'er used it.
So this is the best you can do now? Truly pathetic.
And thats yours? Even more pathetic.
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I forgot that spaceship one guy and his crew. They would have to be in on it as well.
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I forgot that spaceship one guy and his crew. They would have to be in on it as well.
From the edge of space the spaceship one craft was looking down at the circular spotlight of the sun upon the flat earth.
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No he was looking horizontally at the curvature of the earth. Nice try though.
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1. All the worlds governments.(Not sure if this includes everyone in the government or just the head of the government at the time.)
Nope.
2. Nasa including every astronaut ever, and at the bare minimum all the mission control guys in both Houston and at the Cape.
Very few people need to be "in on it" at NASA; most likely just the Astronauts and the top dogs at NASA. Everyone else is just doing their job.
3. JPL lab where most of our stuff to Mars is controled from. Not sure how deep that goes.
The mars missions are being faked. There is plenty of evidence for this, from fake data loss to misleading color data.
4. Every satellite TV company
All satellites are put into space by government contractors. Direct TV doesn't have a launchpad. They pay government contractors a lot of money to design, maintain, and launch a satellite (pesudolite) into the sky for them.
5. Every GPS manufacturer(which by the way used to be a military only system. Guess they thought the would try it out on us first to see if we would believe in it.)
GPS is possible on a Flat Earth.
6. Every satellite Phone manufacturer
Those phones communicate with pesudolites.
7. The weather channel, Alot of their images come from weather satellites.
Weather data comes from weather balloons and weather pesudolites.
8. U-2, SR-71 and any other pilots who cruise around above 60,000 ft and have actually seen the curvature of the earth while in flight.
Those military craft are looking at the circular spotlight of the sun shining upon the Flat Earth.
9. An entire Air Force base in the Azores, where the shuttle might land after taking off from Florida.
The shuttle most likely lands on a platform out at sea.
10. Whomever they are using to actually guard and maintain security at the icewall. For the entire life of that person.
There are no military guards on Antarctica. Whoever said that was mistaken.
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No he was looking horizontally at the curvature of the earth. Nice try though.
He was looking horizontally at the circular spotlight of the sun upon the Flat Earth.
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I like the platform out at sea one. Is this a stationary platform or are we talking some kind of super aircraft carrier thing here? Considering it has no engines on landing that would make a bolter damn tricky.
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An addition to the list of people in on the conspiracy:
EVERY astrophysicist. All of them.
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Apparently any pilot or sailor thats used great circle nav in the southern hemisphere.
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Don't forget plumbing drain manufacturers. They have to make sure that the water drains the right way in the appropriate hemisphere. :P
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EVERY astrophysicist. All of them.
Nope.
Apparently any pilot or sailor thats used great circle nav in the southern hemisphere.
Wrong. It's possible to navigate a great circle route on a Flat Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za47.htm
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EVERY astrophysicist. All of them.
Nope.
Apparently any pilot or sailor thats used great circle nav in the southern hemisphere.
Wrong. It's possible to navigate a great circle route on a Flat Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za47.htm
Man, people 100 years ago just seemed to prove all of your theories without a shadow of a doubt haven't they? Is anything you present based on technology/studies made after 1930?
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Nope....win for RE
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Man, people 100 years ago just seemed to prove all of your theories without a shadow of a doubt haven't they? Is anything you present based on technology/studies made after 1930?
Yes. Look into the works of Sameual Shenton and Charles K. Johnson.
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Neither one of those gentlemen did any research. They just carried the torch of the FES.
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Neither one of those gentlemen did any research. They just carried the torch of the FES.
I guess you didn't look very hard then.
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Your right...I didn't.