The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Anikraze on May 29, 2008, 12:33:18 PM
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And we're constantly accelerating foward, then the ball in my hand in also accelerating foward. And if I throw the ball upwards, (transfering energy to it) why does it come back down? It should be moving foward at the speed of the planets acceleration plus the extra force that i put into it. Pardon me if i sound stupid, i'm not too smart when it comes to physics and what-not.
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We're accelerating upwards not forwards...
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It doesn't move back down the Earth catches up with it.
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It doesn't move back down the Earth catches up with it.
How does it if it's moving at the speed of the Earth plus the force of your throw?
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When you let go of it you're no longer applying a force so it remains at the velocity it was when it left your hand. The Earth is constantly increasing its velocity so will eventually catch up with the ball at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s.
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if we are acclerating, why dont we pass the other planets and our sun? which are odly all spheres??? why arent we a sphere like every other planet and star in the universe?
well, gravity pulls from all directions, yes? and because there is more dense mass in the center of ther earth, there is more gravity, yes?
that's why earth is a sphere, not a mythical flat land that is controlled evil governments with huge ice walls towering above that nobody has ever seen...
has any one you ever been in a plane?
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i did a lil research. you say the earth is constanly acclerating? ok so the world is 4.5 BILLION years old ok.
4.500 000 000years x 365days x 86400seconds in a day x 9.81(gravity/accleration) = 141.912x12^11m/s
speed of light is: 299 792 458 m/s
our current velocity is 473.367.478 times the speed light by your logic
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Your math is wrong.
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Your math is wrong.
haha just dismising my math as wrong doesn't mean your right, it just makes you look like a tool.
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Except I am right and your math is wrong. You didn't even use the right equation.
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well turns out the calculator could not comprehend the large numbers that are involved in proving my point. anyway i found a calculator on the net that could.
4.500 000 000years x 365days x 86400seconds in a day x 9.81(gravity/accleration) = 1.392.156.720.000.000.000m/s
speed of light is: 299 792 458 m/s
our current velocity is 4.643.734.966 times the speed light by your logic.
and how is my formular wrong?
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This is what you want:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_addition_formula
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Gravity doesn't exist?
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Gravity doesn't exist?
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Not as you think:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19384.0
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Gravity doesn't exist?
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Not as you think:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19384.0
Too many big words for me, all I want to know is if my boobs will sag when I get old.
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Gravity doesn't exist?
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Not as you think:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19384.0
Too many big words for me, all I want to know is if my boobs will sag when I get old.
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Yes, as part of your punishment for original sin.
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We're accelerating upwards not forwards...
But if we're acceleratingly in a giant gravity-less expanse then it shouldn't matter. DUH. In 'space' you forget that there is no such thing as direction. If it did matter, then there would have to be some sort of giant gravity well under us, but then we wouldn't be moving, and that sure as hell trumps your entire theory.
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Please publish these new findings...
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And we're constantly accelerating foward, then the ball in my hand in also accelerating foward.
The Earth is accelerating you. Therefore, while holding the ball, you are accelerating it relative to the Earth.
And if I throw the ball upwards, (transfering energy to it) why does it come back down? It should be moving foward at the speed of the planets acceleration plus the extra force that i put into it.
UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
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It's not magic, it's friction.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
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It's not magic, it's friction.
Wrong, if it was because of friction then the air would have to be moving faster than the planet for it to logically slow it down more than the rate we are traveling.
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The air isn't slowing the planet down, silly.
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Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
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If you can't grasp these simple concepts, perhaps scientific discussion isn't for you?
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum?
Uh, no.
That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
I believe Newton's laws apply only in an inertial frame of reference.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
So your saying that the earth consciously speeds up to meet this ball? Wouldn't you feel that? Your weight would suddenly spike, this makes no sense.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
So your saying that the earth consciously speeds up to meet this ball? Wouldn't you feel that? Your weight would suddenly spike, this makes no sense.
Yes the Earth speeds up. It's always speeding up which is why you do indeed feel it every time you put your feet on the ground. I think the problem you're having is distinguishing velocity and acceleration. In FE theory the Earth is accelerating at a rate of 9.8 ms-2. When you hold a ball it is also accelerating at that rate (via you) seeing as it's distance to Earth is constant (unless you start waving it up and down of course). If you let go then there is nothing to keep pushing the ball and accelerate it so it stays at the velocity it was the moment it was dropped. The Earth is of course still accelerating so eventually catches up with the ball.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?
FE theory does not explain the mechanism of the acceleration much like RE theory does not explain the mechanism of gravitation. The Earth does accelerate at 1g in FE theory. In RE theory we acclerate towards the Earth at 1g. The two are indistinguishable as Einstein pointed out. I'm not sure what growing in eight means. My side depends purely on the debate in hand.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
Exactly. Ball leaves hand with velocity higher than earth. Earth accelerates to meet it.
So your saying that the earth consciously speeds up to meet this ball? Wouldn't you feel that? Your weight would suddenly spike, this makes no sense.
Yes the Earth speeds up. It's always speeding up which is why you do indeed feel it every time you put your feet on the ground. I think the problem you're having is distinguishing velocity and acceleration. In FE theory the Earth is accelerating at a rate of 9.8 ms-2. When you hold a ball it is also accelerating at that rate (via you) seeing as it's distance to Earth is constant (unless you start waving it up and down of course). If you let go then there is nothing to keep pushing the ball and accelerate it so it stays at the velocity it was the moment it was dropped. The Earth is of course still accelerating so eventually catches up with the ball.
So the ball just loses all it's momentum? I've already brought this up, friction would not completely stop the ball.
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?
FE theory does not explain the mechanism of the acceleration much like RE theory does not explain the mechanism of gravitation. The Earth does accelerate at 1g in FE theory. In RE theory we accelerate towards the Earth at 1g. The two are indistinguishable as Einstein pointed out. I'm not sure what growing in eight means. My side depends purely on the debate in hand.
Weight! It's a typo damnit!
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UA doesn't accelerate the ball. Once the ball leaves your hand and reaches its maximum height (after your throw), it enters an inertial frame of reference in which it "floats" in the air. The Earth accelerates you up, so your hand catches it. In a bystander's point of view, it looks as if the ball falls back to your hand.
So you saying it somehow magically loses it momentum? That makes a lot of damn sense. I can't reference newton's laws here because obviously you don't believe in them.
Ball leaves hand: No longer accelerating.
Earth accelerating constantly: Catches up with ball.
How is the earth accelerating constantly? One of you FErs already said the earth travels at a consistent rate of 1g. We would constantly be growing in eight very rapidly if this were the case. And Who's side are you on?
FE theory does not explain the mechanism of the acceleration much like RE theory does not explain the mechanism of gravitation. The Earth does accelerate at 1g in FE theory. In RE theory we accelerate towards the Earth at 1g. The two are indistinguishable as Einstein pointed out. I'm not sure what growing in eight means. My side depends purely on the debate in hand.
Weight! It's a typo damnit!
Okay, well from our point of view, no.
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So the ball just loses all it's momentum? I've already brought this up, friction would not completely stop the ball.
I'm not sure what you mean. Why would it lose anything? Nothing stops the ball. The ball is moving at constant velocity once it is let go of. The Earth accelerates upwards to meet the ball and, once it hits the ball, the ball continues to accelerate again. You're confusing acceleration and velocity again. You do not need any force to keep an object moving at constant velocity. You do need a force to accelerate an object. When you let go of the ball it carries on at constant velocity (ignoring air resistance - The Earth is pushing up the air too). I cannot explain it any more clearly. I don't know what momentum has to do with any of this.
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CaptainBaconMan is providing many lulz.
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So you guys also think gravity is a conspiracy, too?
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Well, at the very least, it's not a force...
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So you guys also think gravity is a conspiracy, too?
I do. What is taught is not correct.
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So you guys also think gravity is a conspiracy, too?
I do. What is taught is not correct.
Have you read the answers to the FAQ? Those sound like they came from a 2nd grader writing a book...
At least what is taught in school is logical and makes more sense than almost everything I see posted on here from the FE members...
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At least what is taught in school is logical and makes more sense
Gravity exists makes sense? Please enlighten me.
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At least what is taught in school is logical and makes more sense
Gravity exists makes sense? Please enlighten me.
Why even bother explaining it to you guys? If someone does, you'll probably make up some bullshit answer to add to the FAQ for the other 6 billion people on Earth smart enough to know the Earth is round to laugh in your faces about.
This site is a conspiracy...a big joke. It was probably designed by someone who thought it would be funny to get into debates with people about Earth's shape, and make up funny, completely random answers to why it is flat. Answers which make no sense, by the way.
And if it wasn't, I have lost all faith in humanity.
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Another victory for FES! :D
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Another victory for FES! :D
YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS! ;)
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Why even bother explaining it to you guys?
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works? Figures.
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Why even bother explaining it to you guys?
So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works? Figures.
It pulls us to the fucking Earth so we don't float away. It pulls us to the Earth while the Earth pushes up on us. It's called action-reaction, but you wouldn't know what that is, because you didn't take Physics, apparently.
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incredible is incredibly dense.
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So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works? Figures.
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So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works? Figures.
Tell me something...do you really honestly believe like a million people would bond together to make up all this bullshit for shits and giggles? All the science teachers in the world, NASA, the governments...anyone slightly involved with science in any way, shape or form? Don't you think that'd be a bit hard to do, since there are FUCKING MILLIONS of people who are involved with science stuff?
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I don't know why anybody would blatantly teach something that is false.
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I don't know why anybody would blatantly teach something that is false.
That didn't answer my question.
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Which one?
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So, you don't know what gravity is or how it works? Figures.
Tell me something...do you really honestly believe like a million people would bond together to make up all this bullshit for shits and giggles? All the science teachers in the world, NASA, the governments...anyone slightly involved with science in any way, shape or form? Don't you think that'd be a bit hard to do, since there are FUCKING MILLIONS of people who are involved with science stuff?
Alright my bad, those questions. ^^
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I don't know why anybody would blatantly teach something that is false.
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They are doing it right now, every day and these science people are perpetuating the myth that gravity exists, so I would say it is apparently not that hard to do.
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I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity
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I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity
Yeah, even though what they teach you is correct. So yay, assault charges FTW! Have fun in jail. :)
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I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity
Yeah, even though what they teach you is correct. So yay, assault charges FTW! Have fun in jail. :)
I can't speak for Gayer but I know I was lied to in school. I even read it in textbooks. The force of gravity sucks us to the earth. It's bizarre that they actually teach that.
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Interesting correlation to the other thread about the coriolis myth. The link posted notes how many teachers propagate the coriolis drain myth.
Why would a teacher offer such garbage to students when it is so easy to check. A trip to the school washroom (let alone the ones at home) will reveal drainage in both directions.
Is knowledge just a bunch of abstractions to be memorized with no recourse to the relevance of everyday experience?
Even a damn textbook!!
"...on a smaller scale, the coriolis effect causes water draining out a bathtub to rotate counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere..."
Sigh, this mind-numbing example of scientific incompetence is offered by author, Paul A. Tipler, on page 128 of his book, Physics for Engineers and Scientists, 4th Edition.
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I intend on going back to my primary school and slapping every teacher in the face because they lied to me about gravity
Yeah, even though what they teach you is correct. So yay, assault charges FTW! Have fun in jail. :)
I'll wear a mask, they'll never catch me!