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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 08:54:29 PM

Title: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 08:54:29 PM
Hey, how are you guys doing tonight?  My name is Floyd, and I'm really happy to have found this site.  I would love to share my views with you guys.  So now, onto my questions.

To be honest, the concept of a flat Earth really intrigues me, and I'm not one to dismiss anything, and I think that there is just as much as a possibility that the Earth is flat as it is round.  So, on that note, I'm happy to be here.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
Is that your pic?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 09:03:53 PM
Yeah that's me, It's a bad picture I know, but it was from last week and I was drunk in it!
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 09:09:26 PM
Are you a boy or a girl?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 09:10:57 PM
It says Male in  the profile..  If you're going to be rude, then don't post here. 

Notice:  Kind people only.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: TheEngineer on May 08, 2008, 09:33:48 PM
Notice:  Kind people only.
You came to the wrong place.

BTW, you forgot your questions.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 09:46:25 PM
Oh yeah, sorry.  Well, my first question would have to be, what basis are you guys going off of that the Earth is flat and always moving upwards, something had to make you believe this theory.

Again, I am very accepting to it, and curious.  I just want to know. 
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 08, 2008, 09:47:27 PM
Oh yeah, sorry.  Well, my first question would have to be, what basis are you guys going off of that the Earth is flat and always moving upwards, something had to make you believe this theory.

Again, I am very accepting to it, and curious.  I just want to know. 

A 2000 year old theory is their basis.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 08, 2008, 09:49:40 PM
Are you a boy or a girl?

Oh, shit.  LMAO.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 09:51:26 PM
I'd say when I look at the earth it seems predominately flat. And the earth is continually rising up to meet things that I drop. You can do an experiment by standing on your chair and then watching the earth accelerate upward towards you. If you time the process, it works out to 9.8m/s^2 worth of acceleration.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 09:51:53 PM
Ah, I see.  Hmm, so in this theory, then the universe has no limit since we are constantly going upwards?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 09:56:44 PM
The way I see it, there are two approaches:

1) If we accept that the sheer mass of the Earth is not curving the surrounding space-time, but, instead, it is caused by us being in a frame of reference that is accelerating to an inertial reference frame, and, the acceleration of free fall is perpendicular to the surface of the Earth at any point, then, we must logically conclude that the surface of the Earth is flat.

2) The other one is if we assume that the Earth is a disk, we have 2 choices:
Either the mass of the earth is curving spacetime and creating an approximately homogenous gravitational field, or the gravitational field is caused by the aforementioned acceleration.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 09:59:02 PM
Ah, I see.  Hmm, so in this theory, then the universe has no limit since we are constantly going upwards?

The limit would be the amount of Dark Energy propelling it (or whatever else one thinks is the mechanism for the upwards acceleration: Finger of God, Angels pushing, elephants atop turtle have gas,  etc).
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 08, 2008, 09:59:13 PM
I'd say when I look at the earth it seems predominately flat. And the earth is continually rising up to meet things that I drop. You can do an experiment by standing on your chair and then watching the earth accelerate upward towards you. If you time the process, it works out to 9.8m/s^2 worth of acceleration.

I'm sure Steven Hawking would love hear about your theory.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2008, 10:00:43 PM
It says Male in  the profile..  If you're going to be rude, then don't post here. 

Notice:  Kind people only.
That wasn't rude, I was wondering the same exact thing.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:01:55 PM
I'm sure he could spell painful and bare correctly. I assume he'd be reasonably open minded. He might even enjoy hearing it. He might even enjoy hearing people's pathetic attempts to defend RE, even if he believes in the RE model and not FE's model.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:02:46 PM
Hmm..  Why is it possible to watch a ship "sink" downwards towards the horizon, then slowly come back up from it then, if the world is flat.

I mean, if the Earth truly was flat, then of all places, the ocean wouldn't have such a crisp and defined horizon then, would it?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 08, 2008, 10:05:23 PM
I'm sure he could spell painful and bare correctly. I assume he'd be reasonably open minded. He might even enjoy hearing it. He might even enjoy hearing people's pathetic attempts to defend RE, even if he believes in the RE model and not FE's model.

Yes, he would enjoy teenagers using faux paux science to try and disprove the work he spent his life on...

I'm absolutely positive.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:16:51 PM
Probably not.  There is one thing I don't understand.  Why would they take fake pictures of the world being round for no reason what so ever?  Just to make people believe that it is round?  Why?  It would be pointless.  Plus, if other planets form as spherical, then you must believe all planets are flat? 

I mean, I don't understand.  Do you even believe in other planets?  If the Earth is going upwards, then wouldn't it surpass the sun eventually?  Or is the same force ironically propelling both objects upwards into infinity at the same speed? 
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 08, 2008, 10:19:04 PM
Probably not.  There is one thing I don't understand.  Why would they take fake pictures of the world being round for no reason what so ever?  Just to make people believe that it is round?  Why?  It would be pointless.  Plus, if other planets form as spherical, then you must believe all planets are flat? 

I mean, I don't understand.  Do you even believe in other planets?  If the Earth is going upwards, then wouldn't it surpass the sun eventually?  Or is the same force ironically propelling both objects upwards into infinity at the same speed? 

All the holes in their theory are closed with "It's a conspiracy". Apparently, the sun revolves around the earth.

There is even someone who thinks the moon is just the back of the sun. There is no explanation, I ask for evidence of an Ice Wall as stated in the Faq, and I have not had anyone post anything but garbage and nonsense.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:21:35 PM
I suggest reading "Earth: Not a Globe".  It's terribly fascinating reading. It also well describes perspective, though a search will find it explained on this site as well.

Why would all planets be flat? Galaxies are most often disc shaped and flat. All heavenly bodies must be round? All heavenly bodies must be flat? Cows have horns; all animals must have horns. The banana is not round; no fruits must be round. The platypus lays eggs; all mammals lay eggs. The platypus is venomous; all mammals are venomous. It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:22:58 PM
Unfortunately, I saw that post.  The persons responding did little to clarify, and just stated that there was a large ice wall in the antarctic.  So I suppose that this wall of ice in impassable, even via airplane.  Also, I don't get how a ship can start at one point, then sail around the continents and start back at the same point eventually.  If the Earth is indeed flat.

Ski, I was just stating that it seems illogical to think that for some odd reason the Earth is flat, yet all the other celestial bodies around us are spherical. Things are shaped the way they are for a reason, they just don't come out flat or round randomly.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 08, 2008, 10:24:59 PM
Unfortunately, I saw that post.  The persons responding did little to clarify, and just stated that there was a large ice wall in the antarctic.  So I suppose that this wall of ice in impassable, even via airplane.  Also, I don't get how a ship can start at one point, then sail around the continents and start back at the same point eventually.  If the Earth is indeed flat.

Try reading our FAQ.  The latter question is explained.

Nobody said the ice wall is impassable.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:26:36 PM
Hmm.  Indeed, it wouldn't be impassible.  But on the other hand, anyone who has flew over the Antarctic, I'm sure will state that they didn't fly off into space.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
Ski, I was just stating that it seems illogical to think that for some odd reason the Earth is flat, yet all the other celestial bodies around us are spherical. Things are shaped the way they are for a reason, they just don't come out flat or round randomly.

That's not true. Galaxies are almost always discs. Not all heavenly bodies are spherical. It seems illogical to think a mammal can lay eggs, and yet there are those damn monotremes mocking us...
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 10:27:52 PM
Hmm.  Indeed, it wouldn't be impassible.  But on the other hand, anyone who has flew over the Antarctic, I'm sure will state that they didn't fly off into space.

And who did that?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:28:54 PM
Hmm.  Indeed, it wouldn't be impassible.  But on the other hand, anyone who has flew over the Antarctic, I'm sure will state that they didn't fly off into space.

Perhaps they didn't fly far enough "outward'. I like to think Steve Fossett made it, but I admit it's just a flight of fancy (so to speak).
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:29:29 PM
Well Bushido, let's be logical here please, I'm not trying to be rude, many of you are very intelligent.  But, you think that as long as we had the technology to accomplish such a feat, that no one ever in the entire world for any reason has ever flew over the Antarctic?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 10:30:49 PM
Well Bushido, let's be logical here please, I'm not trying to be rude, many of you are very intelligent.  But, you think that as long as we had the technology to accomplish such a feat, that no one ever in the entire world for any reason has ever flew over the Antarctic?

You seek logic and offer none. I can't understand your statement. Please rephrase.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:33:09 PM
But, you think that as long as we had the technology to accomplish such a feat, that no one ever in the entire world for any reason has ever flew over the Antarctic?

I suspect that they flew over Antarctica (atleast in part), but not in the way you are assuming.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 08, 2008, 10:34:07 PM
They were actually going around the rim.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:35:18 PM
Well, I am sure that someone has flew across the Antarctic before, since we have had the technology to do so for a long time.  Do you honestly think that we, as humans who live on this planet do not know whether or not that it's flat or round?

I may not be as intelligent as some of you, but the "theory" of Earth being round has many solid facts to back it up, or at least statements which make logical sense.  I just don't understand what lead some of you to disbelieve it and create another theory with basis' that are more shaky than the RE one. 

It is almost as if someone fabricated this, THEN tried to find ways to support it, without knowing what they were looking for.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 08, 2008, 10:37:06 PM
The earth is flat.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 10:39:53 PM
Well, I am sure that someone has flew across the Antarctic before, since we have had the technology to do so for a long time.

Who did that?

Do you honestly think that we, as humans who live on this planet do not know whether or not that it's flat or round?
Yes, we do. It's flat.

I may not be as intelligent as some of you, but the "theory" of Earth being round has many solid facts to back it up, or at least statements which make logical sense.  I just don't understand what lead some of you to disbelieve it and create another theory with basis' that are more shaky than the RE one. 

Read "Earth: Not a Globe (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm)" (a.k.a. ENaG)

It is almost as if someone fabricated this, THEN tried to find ways to support it, without knowing what they were looking for.

Are you talking about RE?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:40:28 PM
I don't understand why even when one observes a flat earth, he is willing to make the illogical jump to "well the earth is round, but so big I can't notice"
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:44:24 PM
Wow Ski, ever wondered that maybe it is because that it makes sense?

Arguing that you "see that it is flat."  Is irrelevant.  I mean, give me a break, as large as it is, you expect us to see it as being round from where we are standing?  We are tiny little humans on a giant planet, we can't perceive it's shape by eyesight.

That's like saying that I should know the outline of a continent by looking at it from my point of view.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:46:40 PM
Precisely. So keeping your simile, why do you attempt to map the continent when you can't verify it's shape?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:48:15 PM
Satellites.  But perhaps satellites are a big conspiracy to you as well? 

Because you know, the government likes to spend a lot of money tricking people into believing things that they don't benefit from whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 10:50:34 PM
Satellites.  But perhaps satellites are a big conspiracy to you as well? 

Because you know, the government likes to spend a lot of money tricking people into believing things that they don't benefit from whatsoever. 

Actually, it's the other way around. The government wants to trick people to get their money.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 10:55:07 PM
Hahaha, so you think the government is tricking people into believing that the Earth is round to get their money?  Or that satellites are real?

So let's just try to convince the whole human race that the Earth is round to get tax money.  Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

If you don't then you're an idiot, I find it laughable really.  I mean, here you guys are, on this site congregating with your "Flat Earth Theory."  Which has shaky proof for supporting it, and you hardly answer anyones questions or even try to support your ideas with anything other than illogical garbage.

Pathetic idiots, I'm done here.  You almost make me hate the human race, just a little.   
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 10:56:19 PM
My purpose with this subject is done. I win.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 10:59:28 PM
Hahaha, so you think the government is tricking people into believing that the Earth is round to get their money?  Or that satellites are real?

So let's just try to convince the whole human race that the Earth is round to get tax money.  Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

If you don't then you're an idiot, I find it laughable really.  I mean, here you guys are, on this site congregating with your "Flat Earth Theory."  Which has shaky proof for supporting it, and you hardly answer anyones questions or even try to support your ideas with anything other than illogical garbage.

Pathetic idiots, I'm done here.  You almost make me hate the human race, just a little.   

Not the government. Space agencies. And the Bavarian Globe Makers Guild. The government at large is duped like the rest of the population.
Why the hatred? You remind me of my sig...
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Mrs. Peach on May 08, 2008, 11:05:31 PM
So Floyd, may I suppose you are now going to log on to all the 34,300,000 astrology sites and perpetuate your act? 
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 11:10:16 PM
I think Floyd is just going through a perfectly normal period of doubt and hesitation. It's easier to lash out than to actually take stock of one's world view.
I suggest those of us that use instant messengers like "AIM" take advantage of this opportunity to contact him occasionally to help him through these doubts. Perhaps we can email him links to "Earth: Not a Globe"   Anything that could help.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:10:40 PM
There is no room for any other emotion when dealing with people who believe something to absurd, with horrible proof, yet disbelieve something with logical proof.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 08, 2008, 11:11:25 PM
There is no room for any other emotion when dealing with people who believe something to absurd, with horrible proof, yet disbelieve something with logical proof.

Hey look, some sense on this forum...
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:14:17 PM
There is no room for any other emotion when dealing with people who believe something to absurd, with horrible proof, yet disbelieve something with logical proof.

Talk to the hand.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:15:26 PM
Now to unmask myself.  My name is not Floyd, that is not my picture.  I was originally a troll, and for my own amusement, I selected a picture of a person which I couldn't tell was a man or a woman either.  Then, added some totally random signature I ripped from another site.

My name is Tyler, I will most likely post here regularly, and will read the book most likely, I am a RE enthusiast none the less, but from this simple topic, I have decided to stop trolling and try to fight for my belief.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2008, 11:17:21 PM
Now to unmask myself.  My name is not Floyd, that is not my picture.  I was originally a troll, and for my own amusement, I selected a picture of a person which I couldn't tell was a man or a woman either.  Then, added some totally random signature I ripped from another site.

My name is Tyler, I will most likely post here regularly, and will read the book most likely, I am a RE enthusiast none the less, but from this simple topic, I have decided to stop trolling and try to fight for my belief.
oh right TYLER. sure..... btw no one cares about names here. I've never posted mine here in 6 thousand and some posts.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:18:05 PM
Or, you are a lifeless lesbian who looks exactly like on that pic, pretends her name to be Floyd, probably because you still listen to the band of the sixties, and thinks she's very smart because she teaches introduction to science in the local community college.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:18:45 PM
What's your point?  I don't care about your post count, or if you ever referred to your name.  I was just trying to state that I was indeed a troll and now no longer want to be.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 11:19:22 PM
Sure Floyd. Or Tyler or whoever. I feel for you because I too had a similar period of doubts about flat earth. Even now I occasionally have a moment of doubt. I'm sure if you open-mindedly evaluate the evidence you will come to the same conclusion that many of us have.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:20:44 PM
I'm open minded, but I also don't believe in far fetched conspiracies involving false scientific proof, or ect.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:23:14 PM
I'm open minded, but I also don't believe in far fetched conspiracies involving false scientific proof, or ect.

Why'd you change your pic, Floyd?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:24:53 PM
Haha, Bushido, everything you have posted in this topic has either been

A. Poorly supported and rewritten by Ski in a more intelligent manner.

B. Irrelevant, you can call me Floyd if you want, I don't really care, I'm not here to prove my appearance, gender, or sexual preference to any of you.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Mrs. Peach on May 08, 2008, 11:26:43 PM
So Tyler, may I suppose you are now going to log on to all the 34,300,000 astrology sites and perpetuate your act? 
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:27:27 PM
Well, Mrs. Peach, since you seem so desperate to an answer to that question since you posted it twice.

Probably not.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2008, 11:29:01 PM
What's your point?  I don't care about your post count, or if you ever referred to your name.  I was just trying to state that I was indeed a troll and now no longer want to be.
You're a girl now. I shall call you......nancy is taken.....laureli.... yeah that's it....
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 11:30:34 PM
It is a very pretty name... I have to give you that..
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:31:16 PM
Yeah, thank you for not choosing Nancy.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:33:35 PM
So, Floyd, did you finally move to Korea?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:34:47 PM
.....Wow, that was creepy.

Who are you?
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 11:36:03 PM
We have a plant inside NASA that feeds us info...
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2008, 11:42:31 PM
Yeah, thank you for not choosing Nancy.
JJ has the name nancy. You get Laureli because I like gilmore girls.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:45:43 PM
Eh, someone knows who I am and it's bothering me. :( 

Me moving to Korea isn't something I mentioned on this site, at all.  Then somehow they know that I am that person.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:46:34 PM
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s157/bushido_me/floyd.jpg)
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:48:00 PM
Exactly, I sent you that because I think it's pretty weird. :/
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: TheEngineer on May 08, 2008, 11:48:51 PM
Type your email address into google.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2008, 11:49:23 PM
Well he probably plans to teach english there.

and of course just as i do so, someone posts the trick.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:50:27 PM
lolacopter. nub
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:51:13 PM
Heh, tricky tricky.  I was really getting bugged out.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:52:46 PM
of course, that doesn't stop someone to see your credit card info once they know your password and the info stored there from those tickets you bought.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: FlatEarthNoGravity on May 08, 2008, 11:54:04 PM
Eh, don't own one, so I could care less.  Right now I'm broke with no ties to money or credit cards.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:55:30 PM
I love the direction in which this thread is heading.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2008, 11:55:59 PM
of course, that doesn't stop someone to see your credit card info once they know your password and the info stored there from those tickets you bought.
bushido, if you woulda read farther it says he's 18 i think. and that age most people don't own credit cards. You need to study before you bluff.
Title: Re: Whatsup guys.
Post by: Bushido on May 08, 2008, 11:57:39 PM
also, dongs. debit card is also fine.