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Title: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: bunk3rk1ng on May 05, 2008, 10:52:06 PM
Hello, I'de like to start off by saying I'm not here to ridicule anyone for their beliefs, I just like to know the reasons for why people believe the things that they do.

Here are some things I'm curious about:

-Why do you believe the earth is flat or the earth is round?

-When did you come to realize your current beliefs?

I will start.

I have believed that the earth is round for almost my whole life.  One of my favorite books as a child was an astronomy book with depictions of all the planets which included a picture of a round planet earth.  I have seen many pictures on the internet of the earth from space and I have no reason to disbelieve them.  It's pretty much what I have learned all my life in public school and at home.

I have considered the idea of the earth being flat but I still have not seen enough evidence to convince me otherwise.  If you do believe the earth is flat, what convinced you?

I don't think I have ridiculed anyone too much for their beliefs in my post, try not to ridicule mine too much.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on May 06, 2008, 04:40:16 AM
I was fooled by my teachers when I was young into believing the Earth was round. As far as I was aware everyone else believed it too. But then I stumbled upon FES and was able to question my beliefs. After a long time of torturous inner mental debate I finally realised the truth. That the Earth is flat. Frankly when you consider both theories with an open mind, FET just makes more sense. RET is just full of all kinds of shit like floating oceans which just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Ski on May 06, 2008, 05:00:55 AM
I admire your courage, professor. It isn't an easy decision. Eventually, the overwhelming evidence is simply too large to ignore.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on May 06, 2008, 05:02:42 AM
Thank you, I appreciate your support.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: IvantheSomewhatInformed on May 06, 2008, 01:01:21 PM
I'VE never circumnavigated the world, so all those claims to have done so must be wrong. Plus my pencil doesn't inconveniently roll away when i set it on the table, thus it is level, thus the floor is level, thus the earth is level and without curvature.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Taters343 on May 06, 2008, 01:16:13 PM
Up until sometime within the last month I always believed the earth was round. Now I believe it is flat. I realized that the whole concept of gravity makes absolutely no sense. Objects attracting for no reason other than mass. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: General Douchebag on May 06, 2008, 01:56:16 PM
I decided to believe in FE because I can annoy trolls, and chose to do so when i realized that Midnight wasn't an FEer, but merely a bitch that wanted to irritate me. Like a monkey, but it has your car keys and knows it.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Misfortune on May 06, 2008, 03:22:09 PM
I believe in a Round earth because it is by far the most logical option.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2008, 05:34:52 PM
Everybody has to believe in something.  I believe that I'll have another drink.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: cbarnett97 on May 06, 2008, 05:43:03 PM
Up until sometime within the last month I always believed the earth was round. Now I believe it is flat. I realized that the whole concept of gravity makes absolutely no sense. Objects attracting for no reason other than mass. I don't get it.
An infinite amount of force that somehow only affects the earth is more plausible?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 06:16:30 PM
Why is it infinite, again?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Taters343 on May 06, 2008, 06:18:45 PM
It can be finite, it just hasn't yet run out.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: pancakes on May 06, 2008, 08:22:40 PM
why believe what you're told when you can believe what you see?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 08:29:44 PM
I was fooled by my teachers when I was young into believing the Earth was round. As far as I was aware everyone else believed it too. But then I stumbled upon FES and was able to question my beliefs. After a long time of torturous inner mental debate I finally realised the truth. That the Earth is flat. Frankly when you consider both theories with an open mind, FET just makes more sense. RET is just full of all kinds of shit like floating oceans which just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your personal out-coming. For me, I tried the graviton interceptor experiment and new no such thing existed. Once I started to consider that RET could be wrong, I looked at evidence with an open mind. Armed with science, it took me weeks to stumble upon this site and it's doctrines. The earth is flat!
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Doctor Yotsuba on May 06, 2008, 08:36:18 PM
I have been taught by the scientific world that the Earth is spherical, but I have never been to space, so I will remain open-minded. That is why I am here.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: eric bloedow on May 06, 2008, 08:46:27 PM
amazing. you guys really believe that some mysterious, unmeasureable force that supposedly makes everything in the universe accelerate in the same direction at the same rate is MORE likely than easily measureable gravity?

sounds like this cartoon:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0546.html

oh, and your table is flat because it was designed and built BY HUMANS to be flat. extrapolating the ENTIRE WORLD from such a small, ARTIFICAL object is like expecting everyone in the world to look EXACTLY LIKE YOU!

overwelming evidence of FE? LUNACY! the evidence is overwelmingly in favor of RE, and only someone STUPID enough to believe the FE "conspiracy" claim would think otherwise!

do you have any idea just how huge and complicated scientists believe the universe is? watch THIS video:

(you will have to turn the sound up to hear the narration)
BTW, i first saw that video at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, Illinois, USA.

you guys really think NASA could fake stuff like this:
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
amazing. you guys really believe that some mysterious, unmeasureable force that supposedly makes everything in the universe accelerate in the same direction at the same rate is MORE likely than easily measureable gravity?

Your gravity isn't mysterious? And how is RE gravity any less measurable than our UA?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:13:28 PM
amazing. you guys really believe that some mysterious, unmeasureable force that supposedly makes everything in the universe accelerate in the same direction at the same rate is MORE likely than easily measureable gravity?

Your gravity isn't mysterious? And how is RE gravity any less measurable than our UA?

No, it's not mysterious, if you studied physics, it should be clear really...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:17:11 PM
Perhaps you could explain gravity to me. Start with one of:

A magical particle is created without any energy being consumed, that does not interact with matter, yet interacts with matter and travels at speed infinity telling super massive bodies to change their velocity without, again, consuming any energy...

A special super-invisible space-time fabric (not available at craft stores) holds all massive objects glued to it and it moves around, but there is no communication between objects, they are just reacting to a super awesome fabric that, again, doesn't communicate anything...

Unmeasurable waves permeate throughout the galaxy, containing no energy or mass yet lots of information and make super massive objects react to their presence by having both no mass and no energy, their literal non-existence makes planets and stars move...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:20:04 PM
Perhaps you could explain gravity to me. Start with one of:

A magical particle is created without any energy being consumed, that does not interact with matter, yet interacts with matter and travels at speed infinity telling super massive bodies to change their velocity without, again, consuming any energy...

A special super-invisible space-time fabric (not available at craft stores) holds all massive objects glued to it and it moves around, but there is no communication between objects, they are just reacting to a super awesome fabric that, again, doesn't communicate anything...

Unmeasurable waves permeate throughout the galaxy, containing no energy or mass yet lots of information and make super massive objects react to their presence by having both no mass and no energy, their literal non-existence makes planets and stars move...

Gravity is not a particle, it's a force which relies on objects following laws.

For the second one, you might as well not believe in cells or molecular bonds.

Again, gravity is not an object, it's a force...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
Those are the three leading theories in RET of the mechanism behind gravity. If you don't believe in any of them, what are we discussing?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:23:22 PM
Those are the three leading theories in RET of the mechanism behind gravity. If you don't believe in any of them, what are we discussing?

We're not discussing anything, you said you didn't understand gravity...

Now I'm saying "Look it up yourself"
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:25:41 PM
I'm saying gravity is "mysterious"
You were saying it wasn't
You are now saying it is even more mysterious
And I'm left wondering why you said anything at all.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:33:27 PM
I'm saying gravity is "mysterious"
You were saying it wasn't
You are now saying it is even more mysterious
And I'm left wondering why you said anything at all.

I didn't say it's more mysterious, you're using your own ignorance to support your argument, it doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:36:02 PM
You denied the three theoretical mechanisms for gravity in RET. That means you believe RET has no theory on gravities underlying mechanism. So you are basically in the position of saying, "gravity exists because I feel it." I'm in the position of saying, "the finite supply of dark matter fuels the UA and propels the earth upwards."

How is gravity less mysterious than an actual mechanism?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:38:46 PM
You denied the three theoretical mechanisms for gravity in RET. That means you believe RET has no theory on gravities underlying mechanism. So you are basically in the position of saying, "gravity exists because I feel it." I'm in the position of saying, "the finite supply of dark matter fuels the UA and propels the earth upwards."

How is gravity less mysterious than an actual mechanism?

You seem to think that the theory of gravity is somehow the whole center of the roundness of the earth.

Like I said, if you don't understand gravity and it's subjects, then you are in no position to discuss it.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:40:29 PM
It seems I understand it better than you do. You seem to deny your own theories, disown them, and claim ignorance. We are discussing gravity. Gravity is at the heart of round-earthism.


Another victory for FE!!!
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:43:49 PM
It seems I understand it better than you do. You seem to deny your own theories, disown them, and claim ignorance. We are discussing gravity. Gravity is at the heart of round-earthism.

No you don't, the questions you are asking are covered in basic gravitational sciences, then you single out holes in theories and use that to disprove the whole big picture.

Another victory for FE!!!

Victory? Is this some game to you? Is it true, are you just a troll?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 09:45:47 PM
Can you please explain gravity to me?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:46:40 PM
Can you please explain gravity to me?

You don't know it? I don't know why I have to spoon feed you when you are the one making outrageous claims.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:48:29 PM
You have posted the same post at least 10 times in 2 different threads:
"I'm not talking about that, you're wrong because you're and idiot."

I get that you've been backed into a corner with your un-knowledge of your own theory, but really... isn't it time you just cut your losses and leave. If you choose to stay, you will have to give more information about gravity than, "well narcberry if you dont know what it is, I can't help you" attitude. I understand gravity much better than you. I've attended not only public schools, but college where I have a BS in physics, and other assorted degrees. I have studied the 3 leading theoretical mechanisms of gravity for years, having contributed to one myself. All three lack any measurable evidence. Today, all of RE's leading scientists have little more than, "gravity exists because we feel it." And don't bother quoting Einstein to me, his contributions haven't yielded anything measurable either (on this topic)
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 09:48:38 PM
I say gravity is not a force.  You say otherwise.  I would like for you to explain to me how this force of yours works.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:54:26 PM
I say gravity is not a force.  You say otherwise.  I would like for you to explain to me how this force of yours works.

But if you don't understand the theory behind gravity, I don't know why you want me to tell you.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:55:11 PM
I say gravity is not a force.  You say otherwise.  I would like for you to explain to me how this force of yours works.

But if you don't understand the theory behind gravity, I don't know why you want me to tell you.

OMG EVASION MUCH?!

That's like the 15th time you've directly avoided a question... What DO you know?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 09:55:49 PM
So, you don't know how gravity works.  Figures. 

Just another sheep, following the herder.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 06, 2008, 09:56:55 PM
Oh no, Engy, you have him all wrong. He's sat in a public school biology class. He's master of physics, wielder of Earths truths, sage of her mysteries...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:57:21 PM
I say gravity is not a force.  You say otherwise.  I would like for you to explain to me how this force of yours works.

But if you don't understand the theory behind gravity, I don't know why you want me to tell you.

OMG EVASION MUCH?!

That's like the 15th time you've directly avoided a question... What DO you know?

What do I know?

Yeah, because I'm the one making outrageous claims about the earth being round without any evidence and using retorical questions.

So I have to prove myself to you...

No, I won't submit to your trolling and put myself in any position...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 09:59:25 PM
Oh no, Engy, you have him all wrong. He's sat in a public school biology class. He's master of physics, wielder of Earths truths, sage of her mysteries...

Wow, belittling your opponent...

Sound pretty desperate.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
So, you don't know how gravity works.  Figures. 

Just another sheep, following the herder.

Sheep following the herder... That's original.

See yourself as a greater being?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
See yourself as a greater being?
Yes, as a matter of fact.


So, how about you try to bring me down off my high pedestal and learn me about this force of gravity thing?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:08:21 PM
See yourself as a greater being?
Yes, as a matter of fact.


So, how about you try to bring me down off my high pedestal and learn me about this force of gravity thing?

No, you must be willing to learn it yourself, no use with me beating it into you.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:12:00 PM
So, you have no idea how it works?  That's fine.  You are not the first person to come here, claim they know about x, only to have their bluff called about x, at which point they whine about not having to explain x to a bunch of retards, after which, they leave, never to come back so that they don't have to have their ignorance on display.  And you definitely won't be the last.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:13:43 PM
So, you have no idea how it works?  That's fine.  You are not the first person to come here, claim they know about x, only to have their bluff called about x, at which point they whine about not having to explain x to a bunch of retards, after which, they leave, never to come back so that they don't have to have their ignorance on display.  And you definitely won't be the last.

That is a fallacy, because I don't want to explain it to you, I therefor don't know about it myself.

That's called Fallacy of Many Questions...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:20:14 PM
That's called avoiding the question.  Why won't you answer it?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:21:17 PM
That's called avoiding the question.  Why won't you answer it?

I already said why I won't answer it.

Then you use a fallacy to discredit me.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:24:34 PM
Then why are you here?  Why are you afraid to explain your views?  You are sure of what you post, right? 
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:25:54 PM
Then why are you here?  Why are you afraid to explain your views?  You are sure of what you post, right? 

Are you just trying to sass me over? What are you trying to accomplish? Just stop it and admit that I have won over with logic while you use fallacies to discredit me.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:30:07 PM
I would except you forgot to use logic.  You made a claim, then did not back it up with anything except, "look it up yourself."  So where was this logic regarding gravity?  Maybe I just missed it.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
What do you want from me?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:33:46 PM
An explanation on how this force of gravity works.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:34:46 PM
An explanation on how this force of gravity works.

And I already to go look it up yourself.

Now what do you want from me.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:36:05 PM
An explanation on how this force of gravity works.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:37:18 PM
An explanation on how this force of gravity works.

You're just a troll aren't you?

I'm now convinced that this site is satire, because people just can't prove anything.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 06, 2008, 10:39:50 PM
An explanation on how this force of gravity works.

You're just a troll aren't you?

I'm now convinced that this site is satire, because people just can't prove anything.

That is true, it's impossible for anything to be proven.  Well said.

TheEngineer is a mod, and you think he's a troll?  ::)

We have several true believers on this site.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:41:26 PM
An explanation on how this force of gravity works.

You're just a troll aren't you?

I'm now convinced that this site is satire, because people just can't prove anything.

That is true, it's impossible for anything to be proven.  Well said.

TheEngineer is a mod, and you think he's a troll?  ::)

We have several true believers on this site.

Beliefs based on no evidence, which why they will always be beliefs, and not scientific facts.

It's just like the idea of Intelligent Design, belief trying to pass as science.

It's disgusting.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
because people just can't prove anything.
Like how you can't prove a thing about this force of gravity?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:44:11 PM
because people just can't prove anything.
Like how you can't prove a thing about this force of gravity?

Why do I have to prove gravity? You have something to prove.

Prove it to me.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 06, 2008, 10:44:26 PM
We have the observations of Samuel Birley Rowbotham and his successors guiding us, as well as, in several cases, our own experiences.  Intuition tells us the earth is flat.  I'll take good old intuition and the zetetic method over science, which is deeply flawed in the way it reaches conclusions, any day.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:45:47 PM
Why do I have to prove gravity? You have something to prove.

Prove it to me.
How would I prove something to exist that I know does not exist?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:47:14 PM
Why do I have to prove gravity? You have something to prove.

Prove it to me.
How would I prove something to exist that I know does not exist?

I'm done talking to you, if you choose to misunderstand my posts, you show your inability to search for yourself.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:48:03 PM
We have the observations of Samuel Birley Rowbotham and his successors guiding us, as well as, in several cases, our own experiences.  Intuition tells us the earth is flat.  I'll take good old intuition and the zetetic method over science, which is deeply flawed in the way it reaches conclusions, any day.

Then it's not science, don't convince people it's science. Don't use Faux Pax science to attempt to prove your flawed ideas.

Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 06, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
I'm not trying to "prove" anything.  That is impossible.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 06, 2008, 10:50:49 PM
I'm not trying to "prove" anything.  That is impossible.

Incredible, I never thought I'd find some sense on these boards.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 06, 2008, 10:51:33 PM
I'm done talking to you, if you choose to misunderstand my posts, you show your inability to search for yourself.
I did search.  Gravity as a force does not exist.  I want you to explain your uber-cool version of gravity where it does.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Moon squirter on May 07, 2008, 01:44:00 AM
I'm done talking to you, if you choose to misunderstand my posts, you show your inability to search for yourself.
I did search.  Gravity as a force does not exist.  I want you to explain your uber-cool version of gravity where it does.

Can we please stay on topic, girls.  The gravity/gravitation thing is a needless divert. 

It needlessly takes up forum space.  It derails the original topic (needlessly).  We don't know what causes the gravitational interaction, and probably (IMO) never will.   Yada yada
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: IvantheSomewhatInformed on May 07, 2008, 08:32:34 AM
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oh, and your table is flat because it was designed and built BY HUMANS to be flat. extrapolating the ENTIRE WORLD from such a small, ARTIFICAL object is like expecting everyone in the world to look EXACTLY LIKE YOU!

What? They don't? The mirror lies!? It's all stage-makeup anyway...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: eric bloedow on May 07, 2008, 08:46:34 AM
Robotham made his infamous observations along a CANAL, a man-made waterway, so of course it was wrong.
oh, and he also used the Pythagrean Theorem for his calculations, which relates to TRIANGLES, not CIRCLES or SPHERES!


"In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded. The true skeptic takes an agnostic position, one that says the claim is not proved rather than disproved. He asserts that the claimant has not borne the burden of proof and that science must continue to build its cognitive map of reality without incorporating the extraordinary claim as a new "fact." Since the true skeptic does not assert a claim, he has no burden to prove anything. He just goes on using the established theories of "conventional science" as usual. But if a critic asserts that there is evidence for disproof, that he has a negative hypothesis—saying, for instance, that a seeming psi result was actually due to an artifact—he is making a claim and therefore also has to bear a burden of proof."

that's what "Zetetic" means. but you've forgotten: YOU FERS are the ones making the "extraordinary claim", so the burden of proof is on YOU!!

one more thing: YOUR intuition may tell YOU earth is flat, but MY intuition tells ME earth is round!
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: UnexplainedEnigma on May 07, 2008, 08:54:03 AM
I am going to step out from lurking and post....

Shut the fuck up Eric.  Do you realize you make yourself look more stupid every time you type?
Good Lord man for all that is holy go back to your hole.
You were once entertaining but you post the same bullshit over and over.

You are either the most obtuse person in existence to not understand this site or a someone hell-bent on fucking with everyone.
I personally vote obtuse.

Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on May 07, 2008, 10:31:35 AM
Everybody has to believe in something.  I believe that I'll have another drink.

I'm gonna change my belief to that.


I was fooled by my teachers when I was young into believing the Earth was round. As far as I was aware everyone else believed it too. But then I stumbled upon FES and was able to question my beliefs. After a long time of torturous inner mental debate I finally realised the truth. That the Earth is flat. Frankly when you consider both theories with an open mind, FET just makes more sense. RET is just full of all kinds of shit like floating oceans which just doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your personal out-coming. For me, I tried the graviton interceptor experiment and new no such thing existed. Once I started to consider that RET could be wrong, I looked at evidence with an open mind. Armed with science, it took me weeks to stumble upon this site and it's doctrines. The earth is flat!

Next I'm gonna come out of the closet.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: ccowws on May 07, 2008, 10:59:39 AM
Thisistoopainfultobear you come on a site about open and free discussion, yet you are reluctent to discuss your ideas and make claims which can be proved yet find no need to prove them. You are a disgrace to the scientific method
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: IvantheSomewhatInformed on May 07, 2008, 11:31:57 AM
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Robotham made his infamous observations along a CANAL, a man-made waterway, so of course it was wrong.

Obviously, observation of a man-made object instantly invalidates said observation, so the observation that my table is flat is wrong, eh? That means it's round?

That also means that all observable and measurable evidence for global warming is wrong. Phew. With that off my mind, I'm gonna go out and trade in my Taurus for a Hummer. Gas prices? Manmade, they must be wrong. I'll go ahead and tell the gas station lady that next time I fill up for $4 a gallon and tell her because Eric Bloedow said so, it must be true.

But wait, Eric is the man-made product of his mommy and daddy (except he killed his mother), which means he's wrong.

Circular fail.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: narcberry on May 07, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
You just proved the earth is flat.

Another victory for FE!!!
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: rtbm24 on May 08, 2008, 02:04:41 PM
I believe in RE. Why? Because it is the only option that makes sense. Personally "a giant shadow object" that causes eclipses does not cut it for me. NASA is not a hoax, all they do is real. I highly doubt they could 'fake' a shuttle going into space, as I have been in Florida and watched it myself! Does this look fake to you? (http://) I also trust my government, and have no belief in any conspiracies. Why? Because what are the motives of hiding it?

Also, things like modern aircraft navigation are impossible in a FE model! Why does it take less time to fly from JFK to Heathrow by crossing the North Atlantic than by flying straight across? Or what of South African Airways flying from Johannesburg to Sydney? If the Earth was flat, why wouldn't they just fly straight across over southern Asia?

Another thing, how can certain areas of the Earth be cooler/warmer than others in a FE model? In a RE, temperature variations are due to different angles of sunlight/amount of sunlight. How can this be explained in a FE model?

If there are no such thing as satellites, then how do cell phones and GPS work? Are they apart of this hoax too? What about Google Earth? Where do they get their pictures from? It would take too long for the entire Earth to be mapped using aircraft or other means.

This is why I just cannot believe in a FE. The evidence supporting a RE is overwhelming. And we have one thing that flat Earthers don't have - photographic evidence.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2008, 04:19:21 PM
If there are no such thing as satellites, then how do cell phones and GPS work? Are they apart of this hoax too?

Cell phones use big, ugly towers all over the place.  You may have seen them.  Nothing at all to do with satellites. 

Some cell phones use multiple towers to triangulate your position, thereby simulating GPS.  Again, no satellites needed.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Ski on May 08, 2008, 04:23:55 PM
This is why I just cannot believe in a FE. The evidence supporting a RE is overwhelming. And we have one thing that flat Earthers don't have - photographic evidence.

You're kidding right? Let's put flat earth photos next to RE photo's from space agencies and see how we stack up...
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Thisistoopainfulltobear on May 08, 2008, 04:32:02 PM
This is why I just cannot believe in a FE. The evidence supporting a RE is overwhelming. And we have one thing that flat Earthers don't have - photographic evidence.

You're kidding right? Let's put flat earth photos next to RE photo's from space agencies and see how we stack up...

Yes, I'm waiting for your so called pictures of flat earth.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: FinalSphere on May 08, 2008, 04:35:13 PM
Everybody has to believe in something.  I believe that I'll have another drink.
I believe I will too
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: johny2006 on May 08, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
That FE theory is new to me and I'm amaze that people, in the 2008, could believe that earth is flat (it sound to me like the famous creationist theory)

I read a bit of 'parallax' guy and I could tell that his wrong for his table. So, since all his 'experiments' are based on this table, it is uselless to continue my reading further.

Even if we assume that the entire world conpirate, there is a lot of fact that should be explain.

Terrestrial facts
How come we see the curvature of the earth from the top of big mountain or in an airplane ?
Why, if tide are made from some 'tilt' movement, we dont feel this 'tilt' movement (mean there is no tide in my coffee cup or my pool)?
How do you explain meteologic cycles like jet stream from north pole toward equator and from south pole to equator, 'el nino', Gulf Stream ?
How earthquakes were so pinpoint ?
How mountains was formed ? and more generaly, how earth was formed?
How does earth accelerate and toward where and in what ?
What cause boreal auroras ?
What is this famous UA ?

Space things
Where meteors and comets came from?
If the moon is a spotlight, what is craters ?
if the sun is also a spolight, what is solar eruption (which could be observe during eclipse) ?
How do you explain planet's movement ?

These are few questions, not an exhautive list.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Oscar Wilde on May 08, 2008, 05:51:34 PM
Even if we assume that the entire world conpirate, there is a lot of fact that should be explain.
Even if we assume that English is not your first language, you're still an idiot.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Mrs. Peach on May 08, 2008, 06:05:01 PM
I hate Tide in my coffee cup.  >:(
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: johny2006 on May 08, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
You're writgh Oscar, English is my tird language., but why I'm an idiot ?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Oscar Wilde on May 08, 2008, 06:36:35 PM
There is a multitude of reasons...

1) You reject Flat Earth Theory
2) Failing that, you neglected to even read the FAQ
3) Failing that, you neglected to lurk moar
4) Barring consideration of any of these, you apparently joined these forums with serious intent

You're writgh Oscar, English is my tird language.
Well, you certainly are shitty at it.

Bless me and my barbed wit! :D
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: rtbm24 on May 08, 2008, 07:12:15 PM
If there are no such thing as satellites, then how do cell phones and GPS work? Are they apart of this hoax too?

Cell phones use big, ugly towers all over the place.  You may have seen them.  Nothing at all to do with satellites. 

Some cell phones use multiple towers to triangulate your position, thereby simulating GPS.  Again, no satellites needed.
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.

This is why I just cannot believe in a FE. The evidence supporting a RE is overwhelming. And we have one thing that flat Earthers don't have - photographic evidence.

You're kidding right? Let's put flat earth photos next to RE photo's from space agencies and see how we stack up...
I can't believe this. Has anyone taken a picture of a flat Earth from space? That's right - no one has. And if you think photos of a RE come just from space agencies, then you have not heard of Spaceship 1 or the Concorde. Both of these aircraft flew high enough to see a visible curve on the Earth.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 08, 2008, 07:18:16 PM
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.
Uh, no, there is no satellite in the cell network.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: rtbm24 on May 08, 2008, 07:22:41 PM
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.
Uh, no, there is no satellite in the cell network.
Really? Ever hear of a sat phone?
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Taters343 on May 08, 2008, 07:23:07 PM
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.
Uh, no, there is no satellite in the cell network.
Really? Ever hear of a sat phone?

Not until reading your post.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: rtbm24 on May 08, 2008, 07:25:35 PM
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.
Uh, no, there is no satellite in the cell network.
Really? Ever hear of a sat phone?

Not until reading your post.
More info on 'em. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_phone)
Another source if you don't like Wikipedia. (http://www.thetravelinsider.info/phones/aboutsatellitephoneservice.htm)
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: johny2006 on May 08, 2008, 07:34:48 PM
There is a multitude of reasons...

1) You reject Flat Earth Theory
I'm an idoit because I don't share you faith? I should be burned for that ?

2) Failing that, you neglected to even read the FAQ
False, I read it all and that why I ask questions (it don't answer them)

3) Failing that, you neglected to lurk moar
I dont know what it's mean (but I tough it better for me)

4) Barring consideration of any of these, you apparently joined these forums with serious intent
Yes. I joined these forums with the intent to know how people, in 2008, could seriously think that earth is flat. Apparently, it is not here that I could learn anything valuable. You act as fanatics; all other's ideas is shit, dont believe them, believe me because I have the holy wisdom ... .
The only answers a get up to now is being blast because I questionne your theory

Well, you certainly are shitty at it.

Bless me and my barbed wit! :D

Wow what a great argumentation. It show the solid bases of your theory !!
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2008, 07:36:27 PM
If there are no such thing as satellites, then how do cell phones and GPS work? Are they apart of this hoax too?

Cell phones use big, ugly towers all over the place.  You may have seen them.  Nothing at all to do with satellites. 

Some cell phones use multiple towers to triangulate your position, thereby simulating GPS.  Again, no satellites needed.
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.

Or the call is sent via land line to the other tower.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2008, 07:44:18 PM
3) Failing that, you neglected to lurk moar
I dont know what it's mean (but I tough it better for me)

Lurk moar means that instead of just jumping into the discussions all at once, you should just hang out in the background and read a bunch of threads to try and get an idea of what is actually going.  Most of the obvious questions have already been asked (if not satisfactorily answered) and it does get a bit tedious having to get new people up to speed all the time.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: Oscar Wilde on May 08, 2008, 07:44:49 PM
There is a multitude of reasons...

1) You reject Flat Earth Theory
I'm an idoit because I don't share you faith? I should be burned for that ?

2) Failing that, you neglected to even read the FAQ
False, I read it all and that why I ask questions (it don't answer them)

3) Failing that, you neglected to lurk moar
I dont know what it's mean (but I tough it better for me)

4) Barring consideration of any of these, you apparently joined these forums with serious intent
Yes. I joined these forums with the intent to know how people, in 2008, could seriously think that earth is flat. Apparently, it is not here that I could learn anything valuable. You act as fanatics; all other's ideas is shit, dont believe them, believe me because I have the holy wisdom ... .
The only answers a get up to now is being blast because I questionne your theory

Well, you certainly are shitty at it.

Bless me and my barbed wit! :D

Wow what a great argumentation. It show the solid bases of your theory !!
READ THE FAQ!

Anything not answered in the FAQ has probably already been answered on the forums somewhere. You are recommended to search for these previously answered questions rather than waste our time asking them again.

Also, anything not answered in the FAQ probably isn't even worth knowing anyway.
Title: Re: Why do you believe in FE / RE?
Post by: TheEngineer on May 08, 2008, 08:14:08 PM
Wrong. When you make a cell phone call, the call is sent to the nearest tower, then to a satellite, then to the tower nearest the person you are calling.
Uh, no, there is no satellite in the cell network.
Really? Ever hear of a sat phone?
Yes.  But you were talking about cell phones, remember?