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Title: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 22, 2008, 10:19:36 PM
With the advent of yet another load of ridiculous media hype about "Global Warming," this time about ice in Antarctica, I thought I'd get a feel for peoples opinion on the matter.

The truth, of course, is that there is more ice in Antarctica than there ever has been. Yet, many newspapers and tv networks are giving the impression that ice is falling into the sea faster than piss from a drunk man.

Here's my proof (and, like a good scientist, the source (http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/wist/wist.pl?annot=1&legend=1&scale=50&tab_cols=2&tab_rows=2&wcf=seaice_index&submit=Refresh&mo0=12&hemis0=S&img0=extn&mo1=12&hemis1=S&img1=conc&year0=2007&year1=1979&.cgifields=no_panel)):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ryanlewisjones/S_200712_extn.png) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ryanlewisjones/S_197912_extn.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ryanlewisjones/S_200712_conc.png) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ryanlewisjones/S_197912_conc.png)

Since satellite imagery only began in 1979, that's as far back as our technology can realistically analyse the trends in ice growth/reduction for an entire continent.

I was going to post some quotes from relevant articles relating to this "crisis" but I'm sure all the warming fanatics will do that anyway.

So. Let the Great Global Warming Debate begin.

edit:fixed, enjoy
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Bushido on January 22, 2008, 10:36:45 PM
Interesting.









Antarctica does not exist.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Jack on January 23, 2008, 12:27:40 AM
I think "Global Warming" is just a political strategy to reduce human consumption (energy, fuel, waste, etc). However, global warming is still a relevant idea because, based on many analysis and experiments, temperature has increased over the past decades. Whether or not human-made activities contribute to the rise of such phenomenon is a matter of much greater debate.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: James on January 23, 2008, 03:19:58 AM
First off, I call it planar warming, and yes, I believe it exists. I think your "satellite maps" are inaccurate for a fairly obvious reason. The fact is, none of us actually know how much ice there is in Antarctica, because none of us fully know how big it is. I am concerned that planar warming may damage the Ice Wall, and in fact the planar warming coverup is, in my opinion, an integral part of the GlobCon.

(Sorry, this might seem like a cross-post in the wrong forum, but hey I have to state my opinion on this).
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: JackASCII on January 23, 2008, 06:42:12 AM
Personally, I think the Earth has some great methods for shagging off the waste.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Optimus Prime on January 23, 2008, 07:06:21 AM
In reference to Dogplatter and the rest of the people on the planet... it doesn't matter what shape you believe in... go back through history and you will find that the Earth simply goes through cycles. End of story. Right now we're headed for some chillies. Of course we'll have a hot summer here and there just like any other time... but the funny thing is, this last summer was one of the nicest and most moderate ones most of the world has seen in a long time. Some it was downright cold and down here in Mississippi - it's the first snow they've seen in over 14 years this far south in the state! And it's friggin COLD! ;D

For those who say "Oh, well global warming can cause temperatures to fall overall" - well, that's not what you said in the beginning. Also, that's counter intuitive, it also doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't back up the data that the ozone has already repaired itself.

Bye!

- Optimus
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Conspiracy Mastermind on January 23, 2008, 02:46:07 PM
I think global warming exists, we can't expect to pile lots of carbon dioxide, water and pollutants into the atmosphere without there being an effect, but it is exaggerated at least a small by the government and media in order to get more tax/money from us, and to make resources last longer.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 23, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
considering the volume of CO2 in the atmosphere, I highly doubt it has an effect.

Methane and water vapour have higher concentrations in the atmosphere, and produce more of a warming trend.

In fact, the output of methane from termite mounds is colossal. Since the weight of termites is more than the weight of humans, we could argue that termite mounds affect global climate more than we do.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Jack on January 23, 2008, 04:14:00 PM
I read the news and the scientists predicted that in 3 years, all the glacial ice in the Arctic Circle will melt, causing catastrophic effects (disrupting the hydrologic cycle in the oceans and rising the sea level). They first predicted it will be 500 years, but now they come down to 3 years. Exaggerating the concept, indeed. However, since these scientists are experts in the subject and their explanations could be plausible, the whole "global warming" idea still remain true.

SUSPEND JUDGEMENT
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 23, 2008, 04:48:15 PM
i've actually read that we are on a brink of a cooling shift.

Personally I believe the whole global warming panic is caused by governments worrying about diminishing rescources.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Althalus on January 23, 2008, 06:30:12 PM
i've actually read that we are on a brink of a cooling shift.

Personally I believe the whole global warming panic is caused by governments worrying about diminishing rescources.
Scientists have theorized that the suns magnetic field is due to undergo a reduction in size as part of the natural cycle or something. This would cause dramatic cooling.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Jack on January 24, 2008, 01:40:30 AM
Global warming is happening, but global cooling is starting. This will be the feedback from our mother nature.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on January 24, 2008, 03:47:47 AM
Whether or not Global warming is happening or not, fossil fuels won't last forever and any initiative which gets us to move into more sustainable energy is a good thing.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 24, 2008, 04:17:05 AM
then it should be called global saving.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Agent_0042 on January 24, 2008, 04:54:54 AM
Global warming exists to fill in the Cold War "crisis" gap.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: divito the truthist on January 24, 2008, 05:31:13 AM
Scientific American actually did a nice write-up on Global Warming for their February issue. I suggest you all read it.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 24, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
climate models are ridiculous. None of them are ever right, and every model predicts something completely different. To me, that's not science, it's guesswork.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Conspiracy Mastermind on January 24, 2008, 11:50:13 AM
And now a delicious wisdom-nugget from our beloved village idiot:
Quote from: Tom Bishop
Global Warming does not exist, if it does it is canceled by global cooling/dimming. The Earth is flat. Rowbotham said so.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: JackASCII on January 24, 2008, 01:16:52 PM
And now a delicious wisdom-nugget from our beloved village idiot:
Quote from: Tom Bishop
Global Warming does not exist, if it does it is canceled by global cooling/dimming. The Earth is flat. Rowbotham said so.

That settles it then.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Midnight on January 24, 2008, 04:19:18 PM
Deleting my post will not silence me, Engy. Please try again.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Agent_0042 on January 24, 2008, 05:16:14 PM
Deleting my post will not silence me, Engy. Please try again.
Then, repost?
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Mythix Profit on January 24, 2008, 06:51:17 PM
Global warming is caused by Al Gore's specific brain-wave patterns interfering with the Earths magnetic field. He should have been elected and then assassinated.

Now, He's free to fuck up the World Economy, scortch and flood the shit out of our planet and then commandeer NASA to become Emperor of the Moon.

Oh well.
No matter how high the seas rise; "Surf" culture will always survive.

W..w..w..w..w..Wipeout!!
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: divito the truthist on January 24, 2008, 07:25:26 PM
climate models are ridiculous. None of them are ever right, and every model predicts something completely different. To me, that's not science, it's guesswork.

Chaos theory + variables = differences

I don't see the problem.

"Abundant liquid water newly discovered underneath the world's great ice sheets could intensify the destabilizing effects of global warming on the sheets. Then, even without melting, the sheets may slide into the sea and raise sea level catastrophically"


Learn: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-unquiet-ice
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 24, 2008, 08:54:47 PM
I've read all that, obviously.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Mythix Profit on January 24, 2008, 09:44:25 PM
A 200 foot rise in sea level is a high-yield, worst-case type scenario what's perfect for that bit of speculative fiction I'm working.

However, it is certainly not a foregone conclusion in this reality.
As has been noted, climate models vary greatly in their input/output protocols, depending greatly upon who's paying (surprise).

Obviously, some measurable short-term change in climate is underway.
As to what extent human activity contributes to/causes this? 
That's a tough one.

I'm reasonably certain that evolving to renewable E-gen sources wouldn't make the sitution worse than being held hostage to OPEC; especially now that little George's muddled dream of making-over Baghdad into "jus' another oil-pumpin', wes-Texas town" is failing so miserably. 

Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Midnight on January 26, 2008, 04:02:21 AM
Deleting my post will not silence me, Engy. Please try again.
Then, repost?

I always do, when the time is right. ;)
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on January 29, 2008, 01:45:24 AM
Just thought I'd add something to the debate...

I was watching the news this morning, and there was a story on "Scotlands climate change bill"

Through the report, phrases like "the climate crisis" and "the global warming phenomenon" were used.

After this report, the next item was the weather: "Temperatures are set to drop next week..."

Needless to say, I lol'd.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Agent_0042 on January 29, 2008, 03:00:44 AM
Global warming exists to fill in the Cold War "crisis" gap.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: divito the truthist on January 29, 2008, 05:28:56 AM
Fail.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Althalus on January 29, 2008, 09:41:11 AM
Just thought I'd add something to the debate...

I was watching the news this morning, and there was a story on "Scotlands climate change bill"

Through the report, phrases like "the climate crisis" and "the global warming phenomenon" were used.

After this report, the next item was the weather: "Temperatures are set to drop next week..."

Needless to say, I lol'd.
You have no understanding of what climate change is, do you?
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Agent_0042 on January 29, 2008, 10:52:18 AM
Fail.
Fail is relative, as is your opinion.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Midnight on January 29, 2008, 11:05:12 AM
Fail.
Fail is related...

To his cat.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: divito the truthist on January 29, 2008, 01:12:01 PM
Fail is relative, as is your opinion.

No shit. In other news, you still fail.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Agent_0042 on January 29, 2008, 05:40:02 PM
I apologize, let me rephrase. Lack of comprehension/entertainment/an original response is not a fail on my part.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Althalus on January 29, 2008, 10:55:38 PM
You fail for trying to justify non-fail.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: James on January 30, 2008, 04:01:19 AM
Guys let's keep the spam posts down in here please.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: beast on February 01, 2008, 03:26:31 AM
considering the volume of CO2 in the atmosphere, I highly doubt it has an effect.

Methane and water vapour have higher concentrations in the atmosphere, and produce more of a warming trend.

In fact, the output of methane from termite mounds is colossal. Since the weight of termites is more than the weight of humans, we could argue that termite mounds affect global climate more than we do.

Fucking retarded.

Is the amount of water vapour and methane in the atmosphere increasing, or staying the same?  What about CO2?  Have the numbers of termites in the world doubled in the last 50 years?  The amount of humans has doubled...  What produces more greenhouse gases?  A termite mound or an aeroplane?

Global warming isn't occurring because of the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, it's happening because that amount is changing.  Why has the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere changed?  Termites?
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: beast on February 01, 2008, 03:30:12 AM
climate models are ridiculous. None of them are ever right, and every model predicts something completely different. To me, that's not science, it's guesswork.

This is true.  The climate predications by the IPCC a few years ago turned out to be wrong, as new evidence shows that since the 2001 predictions were made, the global temperature has risen by more than predicted.  Many climatologists are concerned with the way the IPCC program works, because it's very democratic and political, which results in very conservative predictions, which many climatologists believe are understating the seriousness of the problem.  For example there is much evidence to suggest that Greenland will melt completely within our lifetimes, however the IPCC reports do not address the effects of the loss of ice (which helps cool the world) in their reports at all.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: beast on February 01, 2008, 03:31:50 AM
I read the news and the scientists predicted that in 3 years, all the glacial ice in the Arctic Circle will melt, causing catastrophic effects (disrupting the hydrologic cycle in the oceans and rising the sea level). They first predicted it will be 500 years, but now they come down to 3 years. Exaggerating the concept, indeed. However, since these scientists are experts in the subject and their explanations could be plausible, the whole "global warming" idea still remain true.

SUSPEND JUDGEMENT

Which scientists predicted this and where?  Scientists are not infallible.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: beast on February 01, 2008, 03:36:22 AM
Just thought I'd add something to the debate...

I was watching the news this morning, and there was a story on "Scotlands climate change bill"

Through the report, phrases like "the climate crisis" and "the global warming phenomenon" were used.

After this report, the next item was the weather: "Temperatures are set to drop next week..."

Needless to say, I lol'd.

Global warming isn't about specific daily temperatures, it's about a very small average increase of temperatures globally over a long period of time.  It's interesting to not though, that the average lowest temperature in Antarctica in 2006 was -70 degrees C and in 2007 it was -30.  According to global warming "theory" the polar regions are affected much more than the temperate and tropical regions.  A 40 degree rise in temperatures over 1 year is pretty significant I would say (this is according to New Scientist).
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Midnight on February 01, 2008, 03:56:18 AM
Digest Version, Condensed: Mindless Self Indulgence
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on February 01, 2008, 08:25:58 PM
Just thought I'd add something to the debate...

I was watching the news this morning, and there was a story on "Scotlands climate change bill"

Through the report, phrases like "the climate crisis" and "the global warming phenomenon" were used.

After this report, the next item was the weather: "Temperatures are set to drop next week..."

Needless to say, I lol'd.

Global warming isn't about specific daily temperatures, it's about a very small average increase of temperatures globally over a long period of time.  It's interesting to not though, that the average lowest temperature in Antarctica in 2006 was -70 degrees C and in 2007 it was -30.  According to global warming "theory" the polar regions are affected much more than the temperate and tropical regions.  A 40 degree rise in temperatures over 1 year is pretty significant I would say (this is according to New Scientist).

i know ::)

But you don't think that it's funny that they run a report on global warming and then immediately after tell us it's going to be cold next week. Irony, anyone?
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Althalus on February 01, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
No. Why are you so skeptical of global warming anyways?
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on February 02, 2008, 03:00:06 AM
because i choose to be.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: beast on February 02, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
Just thought I'd add something to the debate...

I was watching the news this morning, and there was a story on "Scotlands climate change bill"

Through the report, phrases like "the climate crisis" and "the global warming phenomenon" were used.

After this report, the next item was the weather: "Temperatures are set to drop next week..."

Needless to say, I lol'd.

Global warming isn't about specific daily temperatures, it's about a very small average increase of temperatures globally over a long period of time.  It's interesting to not though, that the average lowest temperature in Antarctica in 2006 was -70 degrees C and in 2007 it was -30.  According to global warming "theory" the polar regions are affected much more than the temperate and tropical regions.  A 40 degree rise in temperatures over 1 year is pretty significant I would say (this is according to New Scientist).

i know ::)

But you don't think that it's funny that they run a report on global warming and then immediately after tell us it's going to be cold next week. Irony, anyone?

No I don't think it's funny.  I also think you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and instead of putting forward ignorant opinions that make you look stupid (such as the claim that termites are responsible for global warming), you should do some research so that you can understand the process that is actually occurring.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: divito the truthist on February 02, 2008, 02:15:46 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Jack on February 02, 2008, 03:04:10 PM
I read the news and the scientists predicted that in 3 years, all the glacial ice in the Arctic Circle will melt, causing catastrophic effects (disrupting the hydrologic cycle in the oceans and rising the sea level). They first predicted it will be 500 years, but now they come down to 3 years. Exaggerating the concept, indeed. However, since these scientists are experts in the subject and their explanations could be plausible, the whole "global warming" idea still remain true.

SUSPEND JUDGEMENT

Which scientists predicted this and where?  Scientists are not infallible.

SUSPEND JUDGEMENT
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: beast on February 02, 2008, 03:45:25 PM
Sure, but we can't assess the credibility of your claims if we don't know where they're coming from.  If you read that in a local newspaper, most likely it's a gross exaggeration on the part of the media, rather than the scientists.  If you read it in a scientific journal, it would be good to know which one, and what the evidence behind the claims were.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on February 02, 2008, 06:01:14 PM
Just thought I'd add something to the debate...

I was watching the news this morning, and there was a story on "Scotlands climate change bill"

Through the report, phrases like "the climate crisis" and "the global warming phenomenon" were used.

After this report, the next item was the weather: "Temperatures are set to drop next week..."

Needless to say, I lol'd.

Global warming isn't about specific daily temperatures, it's about a very small average increase of temperatures globally over a long period of time.  It's interesting to not though, that the average lowest temperature in Antarctica in 2006 was -70 degrees C and in 2007 it was -30.  According to global warming "theory" the polar regions are affected much more than the temperate and tropical regions.  A 40 degree rise in temperatures over 1 year is pretty significant I would say (this is according to New Scientist).

i know ::)

But you don't think that it's funny that they run a report on global warming and then immediately after tell us it's going to be cold next week. Irony, anyone?

No I don't think it's funny.  I also think you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and instead of putting forward ignorant opinions that make you look stupid (such as the claim that termites are responsible for global warming), you should do some research so that you can understand the process that is actually occurring.

Well, obviously, I was being ironic ::). I've done lots of research into this subject, I did a paper on it a couple of years back.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: The Communist on February 05, 2008, 01:54:34 PM
Guys let's keep the spam posts down in here please.

tl;dr
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Chase_the_Bass on February 05, 2008, 02:00:36 PM
I think that Global Warming is Democrats Terrorism.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Jack on February 05, 2008, 05:51:31 PM
Sure, but we can't assess the credibility of your claims if we don't know where they're coming from.
Again, learn to read a post.

Quote from: The Skeptic
I read the news and the scientists predicted that in 3 years, all the glacial ice in the Arctic Circle will melt, causing catastrophic effects (disrupting the hydrologic cycle in the oceans and rising the sea level). They first predicted it will be 500 years, but now they come down to 3 years. Exaggerating the concept, indeed. However, since these scientists are experts in the subject and their explanations could be plausible, the whole "global warming" idea still remain true.
When I wrote "read", obviously I was referring to a newspaper.

  If you read that in a local newspaper, most likely it's a gross exaggeration on the part of the media, rather than the scientists.
I hope your eye degree is low, so you can see the word "exaggerating" in my post.

  If you read it in a scientific journal, it would be good to know which one, and what the evidence behind the claims were.
No, it's not from a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Hence, I suspend judgment because there are not enough evidence to make a decision/conclusion.
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: James on February 06, 2008, 11:03:32 AM
Guys let's keep the spam posts down in here please.

tl;dr

Congratulations on your ban!
Title: Re: The Great Global Warming Debate.
Post by: Loard Z on February 06, 2008, 11:04:16 AM
aww, and he'd only just gotten back!