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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: 33LB on November 22, 2007, 07:33:10 AM

Title: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: 33LB on November 22, 2007, 07:33:10 AM
I've noticed in all pictures of the flat earth, the north pole is in the centre and the south pole forms the wall of ice around the disc- why not have the south pole in the centre with the north pole forming the wall of ice?

It seems very elitist to put your own half of the hemisphere in the centre. Do you think you're more important than the southern hemisphere?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Loard Z on November 22, 2007, 07:59:29 AM
lol - its because people in the northern hemisphere came up with this bullshit
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 08:57:31 AM
Any form of hot liquid core would burn a huge hole in the north pole on FE
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 09:39:29 AM
Any form of hot liquid core would burn a huge hole in the north pole on FE
no
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 22, 2007, 10:06:16 AM
Because in his book "South Sea Voyages" the polar explorer Sir James Clark Ross reported a 60,000 mile voyage after his three year Antarctic expedition to find a south sea passage to the south magnetic pole.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 10:11:36 AM
Any form of hot liquid core would burn a huge hole in the north pole on FE
no
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 10:31:38 AM
Any form of hot liquid core would burn a huge hole in the north pole on FE
no
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
No, it wouldn't have to be a spherical "core" (a misnomer), you are ignoring gravitation pushing it flat against a flat "surface". 
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 10:43:02 AM
Any form of hot liquid core would burn a huge hole in the north pole on FE
no
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
No, it wouldn't have to be a spherical "core" (a misnomer), you are ignoring gravitation pushing it flat against a flat "surface". 
In which case it would melt through the other side of the planet.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 10:46:48 AM
Do you enjoy just making stuff up?  It doesn't melt the mantle and crust for the same reasons it doesn't on a round earth.  Depth, pressure and density.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
Do you enjoy just making stuff up?  It doesn't melt the mantle and crust for the same reasons it doesn't on a round earth.  Depth, pressure and density.
Which is why it can only work on a sherical earth. that much pressure can only exist in spherical form where there are no weak points in it's structure. a solid hot core on a flat earth would either fall through the bottom of the planet, or stay in the middle and burn a hole through top and bottom. Take a galaxy for example. The huge amount of light emitted by it's core is seen from the top and bottom but cannot be seen from the sides appart from a glow around the surrounding disc star systems
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 10:57:04 AM
Do you enjoy just making stuff up?  It doesn't melt the mantle and crust for the same reasons it doesn't on a round earth.  Depth, pressure and density.
Which is why it can only work on a sherical earth. that much pressure can only exist in spherical form where there are no weak points in it's structure. a solid hot core on a flat earth would either fall through the bottom of the planet, or stay in the middle and burn a hole through top and bottom.
Fall through the bottom into what?  The massive force that is accelerating the earth upwards? That much preassure can exist fine on a flat earth.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 11:07:05 AM
Do you enjoy just making stuff up?  It doesn't melt the mantle and crust for the same reasons it doesn't on a round earth.  Depth, pressure and density.
Which is why it can only work on a sherical earth. that much pressure can only exist in spherical form where there are no weak points in it's structure. a solid hot core on a flat earth would either fall through the bottom of the planet, or stay in the middle and burn a hole through top and bottom.
Fall through the bottom into what?  The massive force that is accelerating the earth upwards? That much preassure can exist fine on a flat earth.
In that case then all of the core's heat would be at it's most concentrated on 2 points. directly above and below it. melting the north pole and what ever mysterious world exists below it.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Do you enjoy just making stuff up?  It doesn't melt the mantle and crust for the same reasons it doesn't on a round earth.  Depth, pressure and density.
Which is why it can only work on a sherical earth. that much pressure can only exist in spherical form where there are no weak points in it's structure. a solid hot core on a flat earth would either fall through the bottom of the planet, or stay in the middle and burn a hole through top and bottom.
Fall through the bottom into what?  The massive force that is accelerating the earth upwards? That much preassure can exist fine on a flat earth.
In that case then all of the core's heat would be at it's most concentrated on 2 points. directly above and below it. melting the north pole and what ever mysterious world exists below it.
No.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 11:13:17 AM

No.
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Pathetic arguement.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Jack on November 22, 2007, 11:14:30 AM
You and your "melting"...
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 11:15:13 AM
Your statement just doesn't follow.  I'm sorry.  I'm done with you, you are failing to grasp simple concepts.  Time for some turkeyday.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 11:56:22 AM
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
That's the shortest route for the RE too.  So...why doesn't it cause melting?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Username on November 22, 2007, 11:58:51 AM
Obviously due to pressure and density which would be present in both models. 
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: eric bloedow on November 22, 2007, 01:48:52 PM
oh, now i remember: because the stars in the sky appear to rotate around the north pole.

that is, when observered from the northern hemisphere! when in the southern hemisphere, they appear to rotate around the SOUTH pole!
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 01:53:20 PM
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
That's the shortest route for the RE too.  So...why doesn't it cause melting?
RE is SPHERICAL. meaning the heat is the same in every direction.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 02:04:33 PM
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
That's the shortest route for the RE too.  So...why doesn't it cause melting?
RE is SPHERICAL. meaning the heat is the same in every direction.
Ok, so why doesn't the entire earth melt then?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Loard Z on November 22, 2007, 02:05:46 PM
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
That's the shortest route for the RE too.  So...why doesn't it cause melting?
RE is SPHERICAL. meaning the heat is the same in every direction.

Errr, no. It's not spherical at all. You keep getting your facts wrong.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 03:36:39 PM
Yes. a molten core would have to be spherical, thus the shortest route for the heat to go would be directly upward at the north pole, causing a lovely melting.
That's the shortest route for the RE too.  So...why doesn't it cause melting?
RE is SPHERICAL. meaning the heat is the same in every direction.
Ok, so why doesn't the entire earth melt then?
Because the distance from core to crust is too far, the magma cools before it has chance to do any damage
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 03:51:40 PM
So, why would the FE melt?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: paradiselost on November 22, 2007, 03:52:09 PM
it wouldnt, it doesnt exist
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 22, 2007, 03:53:49 PM
So, why would the FE melt?
The distance from top to bottom is tiny compared to left to right. think about it. superheated ball in the middle of a disk of material, it's gonna burn a hole in the middle
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 04:45:09 PM
Just how thin do you think the FE is?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: eric bloedow on November 22, 2007, 04:51:31 PM
check out this map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Usgs_map_traverse_mercator.PNG
the north pole is NOT in the center of this one!
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 04:53:05 PM
What's your point?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: eric bloedow on November 22, 2007, 05:06:35 PM
ok, let me try to state it as clearly as i can:

in the RE model, the north and south poles are the axis of earth's rotation, which stand still relative to the rest of earth.

in the FE model, the north pole is the center and...there IS no south pole at ALL!
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 22, 2007, 05:49:44 PM
Let me explain it as clearly as I can:
No, the south pole is under the earth.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: eric bloedow on November 23, 2007, 08:46:14 AM
that means south is DOWN, so ALL compasses would point down no matter where they are!

but they do NOT!
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
Compasses don't point to the poles.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 23, 2007, 09:04:26 AM
Compasses don't point to the poles.
Correct, they point to the magnetic poles. which for all intesive purposes is the north and south poles of the earth.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 09:05:00 AM
Compasses don't point to the poles.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:08:44 AM
Compasses don't point to the poles.

what do they point to then?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 09:18:29 AM
They align themselves with the prevailing magnetic field. 
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:19:09 AM
erm in a sentence that I'll understand?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 09:19:57 AM
I'll draw you a picture:
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:21:51 AM
go on then
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 09:29:09 AM
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9274/99622120jh8.png) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:32:26 AM
You call that a picture to explain it?
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Loard Z on November 23, 2007, 09:36:07 AM
Imagine a series of lines around the world. They travel from magnetic North to magnetic South. The compass needle lines up with the imaginary lines.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:37:15 AM
Imagine a series of lines around the world. They travel from magnetic North to magnetic South. The compass needle lines up with the imaginary lines.

hmm ok
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 09:45:08 AM
You call that a picture to explain it?
It didn't turn out very big...
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:46:33 AM
You call that a picture to explain it?
It didn't turn out very big...

or good...
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 09:50:14 AM
Here is one I did a while ago. 

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7899/barmag1gn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:51:16 AM
I remember that one, much better
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 23, 2007, 09:53:25 AM
Here is one I did a while ago. 

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7899/barmag1gn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Best example of that is lie a bar magnet on a piece of paper and sprinkle iron filings around it and it takes that shape =D
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:54:49 AM
Here is one I did a while ago. 

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7899/barmag1gn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Best example of that is lie a bar magnet on a piece of paper and sprinkle iron filings around it and it takes that shape =D

I remember doing that in year 7 ;D
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 23, 2007, 09:56:37 AM
Here is one I did a while ago. 

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7899/barmag1gn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Best example of that is lie a bar magnet on a piece of paper and sprinkle iron filings around it and it takes that shape =D

I remember doing that in year 7 ;D
haha best experiment ever. Then you collected the filings onto the paper and blew it in the loner kid's hair. *sigh* good times.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 09:58:13 AM
Here is one I did a while ago. 

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7899/barmag1gn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Best example of that is lie a bar magnet on a piece of paper and sprinkle iron filings around it and it takes that shape =D

I remember doing that in year 7 ;D
haha best experiment ever. Then you collected the filings onto the paper and blew it in the loner kid's hair. *sigh* good times.

Admit it, you were the loner kid
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: SparteX on November 23, 2007, 10:02:49 AM
Here is one I did a while ago. 

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7899/barmag1gn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Best example of that is lie a bar magnet on a piece of paper and sprinkle iron filings around it and it takes that shape =D

I remember doing that in year 7 ;D
haha best experiment ever. Then you collected the filings onto the paper and blew it in the loner kid's hair. *sigh* good times.

Admit it, you were the loner kid
damn you got me...

nah the loner kid was the one who's bag we put a pig heart in =D
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 23, 2007, 10:47:51 AM
Bastard kids


Why didn't I think of that?!
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: eric bloedow on November 23, 2007, 02:45:01 PM
thanks for the picture!

as i was trying to point out, if the South magnetic pole was UNDER earth, all the magnetic lines would go up/down, not north/south.
Title: Re: So why is the north pole in the centre?
Post by: TheEngineer on November 23, 2007, 02:46:38 PM
Uh, what?  ???