The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: sneakers on November 05, 2007, 02:40:35 AM
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It's true!
67 different companies will take people to Antarctica.
Here is the official Antarctica tourism page: http://www.iaato.org/tourism_overview.html
I would think they are getting a little to close to the ice wall for the conspirator's comfort, don't you think. Maybe one of these 30,000 visiters (that's 82 a day) will finally see this ice wall.
Looks like fun...but imaginary because the continent of Antarctica doesn't exist.
(http://image.zenn.net/REPLACE/CLIENT/1000037/1000117/image/jpeg/DSCN7475zodiactourists.JPG)
(http://image.zenn.net/REPLACE/CLIENT/1000037/1000117/image/jpeg/KayakFINAL.jpg)
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So?
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i'm a bit confused by this post: sneakers, are you arguing the FE side or the RE side?
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He doesn't know either.
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I do believe he is trying to prove that antartica is real,therefore the round earth theory.
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The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied. The Ice Wall is a massive wall of ice that surrounds Antarctica. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.
The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked
"It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.
It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."
James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of find a south sea passage to the other side. In his book "South Sea Voyage," James Clark Ross reports a total voyage of over 60,000 nautical miles.
Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
Edge of the known world: http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg
The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.
The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.
Temperatures approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the Earth is something which will be forever be unknowable by man.
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*bites tongue*
see, I'm learning...
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here's what Wikipedia says about james clark ross:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clark_Ross
notice it says he reported the "ice shelf" was 250 miles wide, NOT 60,000 miles wide!
nice try, Bishop! you didn't even get the title of Ross's book right!
oh, and the "conspiracy" didn't prevent HIM from publishing a book, did it?
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How would they pass the ice wall?
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notice it says he reported the "ice shelf" was 250 miles wide, NOT 60,000 miles wide!
I told you. The 150 foot tall Ice Wall is not one complete wall. The walls are divided by Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges. The Ross Ice Wall is only one of many. Here is a partial listing of the Ice Wall sections:
* Filchner Ice Wall
* Brunt Ice Wall
* Riiser-Larsen Ice Wall
* Quar Ice Wall
* Ekstrom Ice Wall
* Jelbart Ice Wall
* Fimbul Ice Wall
* Lazarev Ice Wall
* Hannan Ice Wall
* Zubchatyy Ice Wall
* Wyers Ice Wall
* Edward VIII Ice Wall
* Amery Ice Wall
* Publications Ice Wall
* West Ice Wall
* Shackleton Ice Wall
* Moscow University Ice Wall
* Voyeykov Ice Wall
* Cook Ice Wall
* Slava Ice Wall
* Gillett Ice Wall
* Nansen Ice Wall
* McMurdo Ice Wall
* Ross Ice Wall
* Swinburne Ice Wall
* Sulzberger Ice Wall
* Nickerson Ice Wall
* Getz Ice Wall
* Dotson Ice Wall
* Crosson Ice Shelf
* Cosgrove Ice Wall
* Abbot Ice Wall
* Venable Ice Wall
* Stange Ice Wall
* Baka Ice Wall
* George VI Ice Wall
* Wilkins Ice Wall
* Wordie Ice Wall
* Jones Ice Wall
* Müller Ice Wall
* Prince Gustav Ice Wall
* Larsen Ice Wall
* Ronne Ice Wall
If we add up the listed lengths of these Ice Shelves we will get something approaching 40,000 miles. The other 20,000 made up of Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges.
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notice it says he reported the "ice shelf" was 250 miles wide, NOT 60,000 miles wide!
I told you. The 150 foot tall Ice Wall is not one complete wall. The walls are divided by Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges. The Ross Ice Wall is only one of many. Here is a partial listing of the Ice Wall sections:
* Filchner Ice Wall
* Brunt Ice Wall
* Riiser-Larsen Ice Wall
* Quar Ice Wall
* Ekstrom Ice Wall
* Jelbart Ice Wall
* Fimbul Ice Wall
* Lazarev Ice Wall
* Hannan Ice Wall
* Zubchatyy Ice Wall
* Wyers Ice Wall
* Edward VIII Ice Wall
* Amery Ice Wall
* Publications Ice Wall
* West Ice Wall
* Shackleton Ice Wall
* Moscow University Ice Wall
* Voyeykov Ice Wall
* Cook Ice Wall
* Slava Ice Wall
* Gillett Ice Wall
* Nansen Ice Wall
* McMurdo Ice Wall
* Ross Ice Wall
* Swinburne Ice Wall
* Sulzberger Ice Wall
* Nickerson Ice Wall
* Getz Ice Wall
* Dotson Ice Wall
* Crosson Ice Shelf
* Cosgrove Ice Wall
* Abbot Ice Wall
* Venable Ice Wall
* Stange Ice Wall
* Baka Ice Wall
* George VI Ice Wall
* Wilkins Ice Wall
* Wordie Ice Wall
* Jones Ice Wall
* Müller Ice Wall
* Prince Gustav Ice Wall
* Larsen Ice Wall
* Ronne Ice Wall
If we add up the listed lengths of these Ice Shelves we will get something approaching 40,000 miles. The other 20,000 made up of Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges.
roffle Tom, which arsehole did you pull that stack of shite from?
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60,000 f*cking miles? You've got to be sh*ting me.
Sources, Tom?
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First, I'm gonna have to give you a finger.
The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. It is widely known and widely studied.
Widely studied? Did you just make that up?
The Ice Wall is a massive wall of ice that surrounds Antarctica.
In the FET, the Ice Wall surrounds the Earth, not the Antarctica.
The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface.
Prove it.
The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked
"It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.
It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and
the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."
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James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of find a south sea passage to the other side. In his book "South Sea Voyage," James Clark Ross reports a total voyage of over 60,000 nautical miles.
Sir James Clark Ross was intepreting Antarctica, not the Ice Wall. Know the difference and you will be one step away from humiliation.
Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
There's no such thing as an infinite plane. You fail. By the way, nice copying and pasting of these posts. You still haven't answered my questions in the other post, which is based on these assumptions you made up.
Edge of the known world: http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg
The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.
The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.
More fantasies.
Temperatures approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth.
Temperature on Earth will never approach absolute zero. Nice fail. Again, explain what mechanism causes the Sun to heat things up with "something".
Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the Earth is something which will be forever be unknowable by man.
Rowbotham doesn't even know what is he trying to explain.
MORE COPYING AND PASTING!
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notice it says he reported the "ice shelf" was 250 miles wide, NOT 60,000 miles wide!
I told you. The 150 foot tall Ice Wall is not one complete wall. The walls are divided by Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges. The Ross Ice Wall is only one of many. Here is a partial listing of the Ice Wall sections:
* Filchner Ice Wall
* Brunt Ice Wall
* Riiser-Larsen Ice Wall
* Quar Ice Wall
* Ekstrom Ice Wall
* Jelbart Ice Wall
* Fimbul Ice Wall
* Lazarev Ice Wall
* Hannan Ice Wall
* Zubchatyy Ice Wall
* Wyers Ice Wall
* Edward VIII Ice Wall
* Amery Ice Wall
* Publications Ice Wall
* West Ice Wall
* Shackleton Ice Wall
* Moscow University Ice Wall
* Voyeykov Ice Wall
* Cook Ice Wall
* Slava Ice Wall
* Gillett Ice Wall
* Nansen Ice Wall
* McMurdo Ice Wall
* Ross Ice Wall
* Swinburne Ice Wall
* Sulzberger Ice Wall
* Nickerson Ice Wall
* Getz Ice Wall
* Dotson Ice Wall
* Crosson Ice Shelf
* Cosgrove Ice Wall
* Abbot Ice Wall
* Venable Ice Wall
* Stange Ice Wall
* Baka Ice Wall
* George VI Ice Wall
* Wilkins Ice Wall
* Wordie Ice Wall
* Jones Ice Wall
* Müller Ice Wall
* Prince Gustav Ice Wall
* Larsen Ice Wall
* Ronne Ice Wall
If we add up the listed lengths of these Ice Shelves we will get something approaching 40,000 miles. The other 20,000 made up of Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges.
And the legend grows. :D
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sounds to me like Tom just made up many names for the SAME glacier!
i just tried to look up the first five on his list on wikipeida. NO hits on ANY of them!
besides, if there were many small ice walls, and not 1 big one, wouldn't there be gaps the ocean would ecape through?
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sounds to me like Tom just made up many names for the SAME glacier!
::)
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sounds to me like Tom just made up many names for the SAME glacier!
i just tried to look up the first five on his list on wikipeida. NO hits on ANY of them!
besides, if there were many small ice walls, and not 1 big one, wouldn't there be gaps the ocean would ecape through?
We're calling the series of Ice Shelves which surrounds the Antarctic coast the Ice Wall. So there's a hint for you.
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sounds to me like Tom just made up many names for the SAME glacier!
i just tried to look up the first five on his list on wikipeida. NO hits on ANY of them!
besides, if there were many small ice walls, and not 1 big one, wouldn't there be gaps the ocean would ecape through?
We're calling the series of Ice Shelves which surrounds the Antarctic coast the Ice Wall. So there's a hint for you.
By "we" you mean, "you"
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notice it says he reported the "ice shelf" was 250 miles wide, NOT 60,000 miles wide!
I told you. The 150 foot tall Ice Wall is not one complete wall. The walls are divided by Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges. The Ross Ice Wall is only one of many. Here is a partial listing of the Ice Wall sections:
* Filchner Ice Wall
* Brunt Ice Wall
* Riiser-Larsen Ice Wall
* Quar Ice Wall
* Ekstrom Ice Wall
* Jelbart Ice Wall
* Fimbul Ice Wall
* Lazarev Ice Wall
* Hannan Ice Wall
* Zubchatyy Ice Wall
* Wyers Ice Wall
* Edward VIII Ice Wall
* Amery Ice Wall
* Publications Ice Wall
* West Ice Wall
* Shackleton Ice Wall
* Moscow University Ice Wall
* Voyeykov Ice Wall
* Cook Ice Wall
* Slava Ice Wall
* Gillett Ice Wall
* Nansen Ice Wall
* McMurdo Ice Wall
* Ross Ice Wall
* Swinburne Ice Wall
* Sulzberger Ice Wall
* Nickerson Ice Wall
* Getz Ice Wall
* Dotson Ice Wall
* Crosson Ice Shelf
* Cosgrove Ice Wall
* Abbot Ice Wall
* Venable Ice Wall
* Stange Ice Wall
* Baka Ice Wall
* George VI Ice Wall
* Wilkins Ice Wall
* Wordie Ice Wall
* Jones Ice Wall
* Müller Ice Wall
* Prince Gustav Ice Wall
* Larsen Ice Wall
* Ronne Ice Wall
If we add up the listed lengths of these Ice Shelves we will get something approaching 40,000 miles. The other 20,000 made up of Trans-Antarctic mountain ranges.
And the legend grows. :D
I bet there's a Gayer Wall too
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Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
Edge of the known world: http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg
The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.
The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.
LOL
Temperatures approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the Earth is something which will be forever be unknowable by man.
Approach absolute zero huh? lolll
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How can we argue with that logic? ::)
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OK, just to clear up what Tom's trying to say; there is an ice wall at the coast of Antarctica but it's relatively small and just a shelf of ice. The Ice wall around the edge of the world has never been seen. In the below picture, the red circle represents the area of antarctica explored by man, the white ice extends further out. Debate is where it ends, Tom suggests it extends forever, other FEers say it is finite and there is an edge.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/example.jpg)
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Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess.
Since thats all it would be, what is your guess?
here's mine,
I think that far enough out past the ice wall, it opens up into this flowery meadow with rainbow skies and rivers made of chocolate, where the children dance and laugh and play with gumdrop smiles.
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OK, just to clear up what Tom's trying to say; there is an ice wall at the coast of Antarctica but it's relatively small and just a shelf of ice. The Ice wall around the edge of the world has never been seen. In the below picture, the red circle represents the area of antarctica explored by man, the white ice extends further out. Debate is where it ends, Tom suggests it extends forever, other FEers say it is finite and there is an edge.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/example.jpg)
That picture is fucking retarded. How exactly can it extend forever? If it did it.........it wouldn't, that doesn't make any sense. Having a ice wall as shown in that picture DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE either. Assuming you believe in all our other planets, an ice wall like that on our planet would not be correct.
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Why is that? ???
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OK, just to clear up what Tom's trying to say; there is an ice wall at the coast of Antarctica but it's relatively small and just a shelf of ice. The Ice wall around the edge of the world has never been seen. In the below picture, the red circle represents the area of antarctica explored by man, the white ice extends further out. Debate is where it ends, Tom suggests it extends forever, other FEers say it is finite and there is an edge.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/example.jpg)
That picture is fucking retarded. How exactly can it extend forever? If it did it.........it wouldn't, that doesn't make any sense. Having a ice wall as shown in that picture DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE either. Assuming you believe in all our other planets, an ice wall like that on our planet would not be correct.
You said a lot of 'YOU'RE WRONG LOL' but not a lot of 'YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE (enter reason here) LOL'. You need the second one.
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Hey, zappo, Bishop believes the ice wall is 150 feet.
So now you can ask him how the atmosphere is kept in so he'll change the numbers to something more comfortable, like 50,000 feet or summat.
Got that.
But then again, who's saying he has to believe it? No FE'er believes what they say anyway, they just keep adding things to make it fit, and this is the reason you won't be able to prove the theory wrong.
Then again, I believe it was Billy Corgan who said "the burden of proof is on those who believe a flat earth.", and if I'm wrong please commence butchering my post.:(
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Visiting Antarctica, as already pointed out, does not intrinsically involve seeing the Ice Wall.
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Cause no one has ever seen the ice wall. but it must exist. it must............ :'(
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while searching for any references to bishop's list of "ice walls" i came across this:
http://scarsale.tamu.edu/technology/Bentley_2006.doc
notice it actually calls them ice SHELVES and tells how they drilled holes in them to find out how deep they are.
some are 3 kilometers deep. NOT 150 miles high!
and here's a satellite picture of antarctica:
http://terraweb.wr.usgs.gov/projects//Antarctica/AVHRR.html
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It's never been claimed that they were 150 miles high! ::)
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Actually, if we visit that USGS website Eric linked we see the following "satellite image" of Antarctica:
http://terraweb.wr.usgs.gov (http://terraweb.wr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/webvista.cgi?the_Region=Antarctica&imgType=color&title=AVHRR.html&dev=0&size=750&origW=750&origH=750&blinkstate=0&Map=1)
The USGS is claiming that this is an image from a satellite. However, the very same image appears on NASA's World Wind promo page:
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/screenshots-bm.html
Since World Wind is nothing more than a popular 3D model of the earth, the claims of this image being a satellite shot are false. Therefore either the USGS is lying when they say that it is a Satellite shot, or NASA is lying when they try to pass it off as one. Either way it's a Conspiracy. The trickery and deception never ends.
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Or maybe your just slightly delusional. And if we know that there is an Ice Wall why would the government try to hide it from us?
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Since World Wind is nothing more than a popular 3D model of the earth, the claims of this image being a satellite shot are false. Therefore either the USGS is lying when they say that it is a Satellite shot, or NASA is lying when they try to pass it off as one. Either way it's a Conspiracy. The trickery and deception never ends.
No, it's not a conspiracy. The evidence from NASA is peer-reviewed and accepted by the scientific community. Why don't you open the doors, get into the real world, and accept reality?
By the way, you wouldn't even know there's actually a conspiracy if it is so hidden from you. Therefore, your post is just an assumption which, in any case, is inaccurate.
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By the way, you wouldn't even know there's actually a conspiracy if it is so hidden from you. Therefore, your post is just an assumption which, in any case, is inaccurate.
Are you denying that the cloudless Antarctica seen on the USGS website is the exact same Antarctica as seen on NASA's world Wind website?
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Are you denying that the cloudless Antarctica seen on the USGS website is the exact same Antarctica as seen on NASA's world Wind website?
Nope, I ain't denying anything. They are the same. The pictures show the same continent: A N T A R C T I C A. Both picture are taken from space. There's nothing 3D or special in them.
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so once again, Tom's entire argument is "everyone in NASA always lies and only i tell the truth".
yeah, right.
reminds me of a scene in Star Trek (the original series):
Kirk: every thing Harry says is a lie.
Harry: he's telling the truth!
robot blows a fuse.
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so once again, Tom's entire argument is "everyone in NASA always lies and only i tell the truth".
yeah, right.
reminds me of a scene in Star Trek (the original series):
Kirk: every thing Harry says is a lie.
Harry: he's telling the truth!
robot blows a fuse.
I saw that one! There was a fat guy who was a human too! :o
He was stuck there with dem robots!
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Edge of the known world: http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg
really. what's all this then:
that photo of the ross ice shelf in it's proper context (http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/2000/ma0019.htm)
more complete context (text search for "B-15A iceberg edge") (http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/gallery1.html)
bishop knowingly passes off a photo of the ross ice shelf that he isolated from context, as the edge of the world.
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really. what's all this then:
that photo of the ross ice shelf in it's proper context (http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/media/2000/ma0019.htm)
more complete context (text search for "B-15A iceberg edge") (http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/gallery1.html)
bishop knowingly passes off a photo of the ross ice shelf that he isolated from context, as the edge of the world.
Yes. The series of Ice Shelves which surround the Antarctic coast is what is known as the Ice Wall. Where's the contradiction?
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oh, just the facts that the shelves are NOT 60,000 miles wide, and that there are HUGE gaps that would supposedly let all air escape, just for starters!
oh yes, and your conspiracy supposedly never lets anyone see the ice wall, so the fact that pictures of it exist proves there is no conspiracy!
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oh, just the facts that the shelves are NOT 60,000 miles wide, and that there are HUGE gaps that would supposedly let all air escape, just for starters!
That's true. The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall.There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high.
The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.
The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.
oh yes, and your conspiracy supposedly never lets anyone see the ice wall, so the fact that pictures of it exist proves there is no conspiracy!
Some Flat Earth proponents believe that there is another larger ice wall at an unknown distance beyond the Antarctic coast which has never been discovered by man. This hypothetical wall is tens of thousands of feet high and contains the atmosphere. Beyond this wall exists space.
Other Flat Earth proponents believe that the Antarctic tundra stretches perpetually. The earth cuts the universe in half in this hypothesis.
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oh, just the facts that the shelves are NOT 60,000 miles wide, and that there are HUGE gaps that would supposedly let all air escape, just for starters!
That's true. The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall.There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Transantarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high.
The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated.
The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometer) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea.
oh yes, and your conspiracy supposedly never lets anyone see the ice wall, so the fact that pictures of it exist proves there is no conspiracy!
Some Flat Earth proponents believe that there is another larger ice wall at an unknown distance beyond the Antarctic coast which has never been discovered by man. This hypothetical wall is tens of thousands of feet high and contains the atmosphere. Beyond this wall exists space.
Other Flat Earth proponents believe that the Antarctic tundra stretches perpetually. The earth cuts the universe in half in this hypothesis.
so when your lies are called, you bluff again by changing your story. now, suddenly, the magical end-of-the-world ice wall isn't so special. it's just ordinary glaciers pushing out to sea, often interrupted. so why bother going on about them and calling it the end of the known world, if anyone can land on top or sail around and walk beyond them? now, suddenly, there is a real ice wall, bigger and further in, than this rather pedestrian "edge of the known world".
are you willing then to concede that your *first* "end of the known world ice wall" is nothing of the sort, is not contiguous, and anyone could fly, climb, snowcat, or walk beyond it - without fear of being shot or detained by ice wall security forces?
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I love how you rape people.
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cpt_bthimes is the man!
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Both picture are taken from space. There's nothing 3D or special in them.
It's not so obvious for Antarctica, but do you believe this picture has been taken from space too?
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/graphics/screenshots/00.jpg
What about this very realistic mountain?
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/graphics/screenshots/11.jpg
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Both picture are taken from space. There's nothing 3D or special in them.
It's not so obvious for Antarctica, but do you believe this picture has been taken from space too?
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/graphics/screenshots/00.jpg
What about this very realistic mountain?
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/graphics/screenshots/11.jpg
What about those 2 very unrealistic pictures?
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What about those 2 very unrealistic pictures?
Check the previous page.
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I did...and your post still makes no sense.
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so when your lies are called, you bluff again by changing your story. now, suddenly, the magical end-of-the-world ice wall isn't so special. it's just ordinary glaciers pushing out to sea, often interrupted. so why bother going on about them and calling it the end of the known world, if anyone can land on top or sail around and walk beyond them? now, suddenly, there is a real ice wall, bigger and further in, than this rather pedestrian "edge of the known world".
are you willing then to concede that your *first* "end of the known world ice wall" is nothing of the sort, is not contiguous, and anyone could fly, climb, snowcat, or walk beyond it - without fear of being shot or detained by ice wall security forces?
I never changed my story. I say that the Ice Wall is the series Ice Shelves at the coast of Antarctica. It's the edge of the known world because very few people have explored that region. The majority of mankind stays in the warmer, lusher climates.
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i suppose next you will say there are an infinite number of ice walls beyond that one!
sheesh...
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so when your lies are called, you bluff again by changing your story. now, suddenly, the magical end-of-the-world ice wall isn't so special. it's just ordinary glaciers pushing out to sea, often interrupted. so why bother going on about them and calling it the end of the known world, if anyone can land on top or sail around and walk beyond them? now, suddenly, there is a real ice wall, bigger and further in, than this rather pedestrian "edge of the known world".
are you willing then to concede that your *first* "end of the known world ice wall" is nothing of the sort, is not contiguous, and anyone could fly, climb, snowcat, or walk beyond it - without fear of being shot or detained by ice wall security forces?
I never changed my story. I say that the Ice Wall is the series Ice Shelves at the coast of Antarctica. It's the edge of the known world because very few people have explored that region. The majority of mankind stays in the warmer, lusher climates.
i rest my case, your honor.
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This idea of glaciers feeding the ice sheet is rather interesting. The glaciers would need to be supplied with snow at their source, lest they dry up. This means that they would have to have a fairly active weather system.
The problem is that out in this vast plain of ice that is the top of the inner ice wall, there are no celestial mechanics to cause the weather. There's no sun to bring water up into clouds and to generate wind to shift them to the top of the glacier.
I expect that the ice shelf would be a very quiet place. As for the 'snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes' You mentioned earlier in the thread, there seems no chance.
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This idea of glaciers feeding the ice sheet is rather interesting. The glaciers would need to be supplied with snow at their source, lest they dry up. This means that they would have to have a fairly active weather system.
The problem is that out in this vast plain of ice that is the top of the inner ice wall, there are no celestial mechanics to cause the weather. There's no sun to bring water up into clouds and to generate wind to shift them to the top of the glacier.
I expect that the ice shelf would be a very quiet place. As for the 'snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes' You mentioned earlier in the thread, there seems no chance.
good points. however, the interior of the real antarctica is also light on snow. it's technically a desert, so that's what i would argue if i were an fe'er. it does snow and accumulate over time, and the coast gets more weather. it can also get very windy there, though i don't know whether that is from local effects or more global patterns...i'm sure someone knows.
but there has certainly never been a hurricane on or around antarctica, in fact it is categorically impossible. and there has never been an observed thunderstorm (required for hail) except along the northernmost islands. so good job on picking apart bishop's (yet again) complete bs.