The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: bondurant on July 16, 2007, 05:51:58 AM
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This is probably a question that has been asked a million times before, and if so, I apologise.
Basically, if it's summer in the southern hemisphere (or whatever the flat earthers call what lies south of the equator), then how is it possible to have days longer than 12 hours, given that the sun is a spotlight? I simply cannot understand how this could be possible.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/time.jpg)
For example, if it's 12.00 in Cape Town, South Africa, then it must be about 07.00 in Sao Paulo, Brazil and about 19.00 in Perth, Australia. All should be in daylight in the southern summer. If the earth were a simple spotlight, then nearly the whole world should be in daylight for this to be possible!
Hope somebody can help me. I want to believe!!!
[Thanks to Chrissetti for the pic]
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yeah the orbit of the sun jumps so that when it is summer for the "northern hemisphere" (there are no hemispheres in a flat earth) the orbit of the sun is closer to the north pole. thus making it winter in the "south hemisphere" and vice versa. there is some pic in the faq
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yeah the orbit of the sun jumps so that when it is summer for the "northern hemisphere" (there are no hemispheres in a flat earth) the orbit of the sun is closer to the north pole. thus making it winter in the "south hemisphere" and vice versa. there is some pic in the faq
It doesn't 'jump' even according to the base FET. It follows a spiraling course which takes it north and south over the course of a year. The picture is misleading.
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It doesn't 'jump' even according to the base FET. It follows a spiraling course which takes it north and south over the course of a year. The picture is misleading.
I don't care whether it jumps or not. If the sun is over the tropic of Capricorn over Africa (i.e. on December 21st) then it should be daylight in both western Australia and South America at the same time. At the same time, it should be dark over the Artic Circle near to Iceland. I want to know how this can be possible.
Then I'll believe in a flat Earth. Honest.
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It doesn't 'jump' even according to the base FET. It follows a spiraling course which takes it north and south over the course of a year. The picture is misleading.
I don't care whether it jumps or not. If the sun is over the tropic of Capricorn over Africa (i.e. on December 21st) then it should be daylight in both western Australia and South America at the same time. At the same time, it should be dark over the tropic of Cancer near to Iceland. I want to know how this can be possible.
Then I'll believe in a flat Earth. Honest.
Obviously it does not move itself, God must do it.
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It doesn't 'jump' even according to the base FET. It follows a spiraling course which takes it north and south over the course of a year. The picture is misleading.
I don't care whether it jumps or not. If the sun is over the tropic of Capricorn over Africa (i.e. on December 21st) then it should be daylight in both western Australia and South America at the same time. At the same time, it should be dark over the tropic of Cancer near to Iceland. I want to know how this can be possible.
Then I'll believe in a flat Earth. Honest.
Obviously it does not move itself, God must do it.
Just a little warning, whatever excellent argument you come up with (like the one you just said, well done by the way) this guy (points to DanielPZC) will link it to religion in some sort of twisted way, in fact he does it so often and with such conviction that i am starting to think he isn't actually religious at all but is just using a load of bible quotes in a lame attempt to support an argument which he knows in his heart he has very little chance of winning.
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The southern summis is, I think the biggest argument against FE because insteasd of a 'sunny spotlight' on the disc, there is a potlight of night instead, I made a picture of it before...I'll link to it if I find it again
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Obviously it does not move itself, God must do it.
Just to clarify:
The question I originally asked wasn't "How does the sun move between the north and south during the seasons".
The question was "How does the sun shine all the way from Perth to Sao Paulo at the same time during the southern summer, but doesn't illuminate most of the rest of the disc?"
Draw a circle on the map above, centered on the tropic of Capricorn in Africa, and big enough to reach Australia and South America. How much of the rest of the world is within the circle? Nothing within the Arctic Circle should be in daylight.
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Found em...ok, here's a North pole summers day, you can see the 'spotlight' from the sun
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/FES/map2.jpg)
In the next pic, ignore the shapes of the continents because it's south-pole centric but you can see clearly what a southern summer would look like (If the continents were the same as the top pic)
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/FES/map3.jpg)
Thus pretty much debunking FE forever
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So the sun "spotlight" becomes banana shaped during the southern summer. Very impressive. Now I just need to know how and why it does this. Then I'll be a believer.
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Note as well how in neither model is the sunlight a circle beneath the sun as it should be, it's a sort of ellipse
This better demonstrates what I had in mind
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l154/pauletti/FES/sunswrong.jpg)
Another of my infamous pics, the orange lines represent FE sunlight...notice how irregular they are, the red circle shows how the light should shine to light up as close to accurately as possible
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So the sun "spotlight" becomes banana shaped during the southern summer. Very impressive. Now I just need to know how and why it does this. Then I'll be a believer.
FE actually has an even tougher time here. Consider a Southern Hemisphere Summer day at 0 UTC. Someone in Antarctica at 80oS 180o W would see the Sun to the south when in FE the Sun would be to the north. TomB has inanely argued that ice crystal somehow reflect the Sun's image and block the real image.