The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Tom Bishop on May 31, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
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As we all know, the entire premise of this website is that NASA is a fraudulent entity. Nothing said or given by NASA or its collaborators is to be trusted. The American Government has great incentive to portray the illusion of space travel. It is this from which it derives its power. America and its allies take great pains to spread its propaganda, and to discredit the achievements of its enemies.
If it were found that the American Government does not actually possess the technology necessary to travel into space, it takes no length of the imagination to realize that the American Government could not create a Nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic missile and send it into space and half way around the world at any moment as claimed. By knowing this, countries such as China would reevaluate its militaristic strategies and seriously consider invading America or her allies in the next international dispute. Therefore, guarding the secret of space exploration is a high priority.
At the time of Apollo, the Soviet Union had five times more manned hours in space than the US. They had achieved:
1. First manmade satellite in orbit (October 1957, Sputnik 1).
2. First living creature to enter orbit (November 1957, Sputnik 2).
3. First to safely return living creature from orbit, two dogs Belka and Strelka, 40 mice, 2 rats (August 1960, Sputnik 5).
4. First man in space (April 1961, Vostok 1).
5. First man to orbit the Earth (April 1961, Vostok 1).
6. First to have two spacecraft in orbit at the same time aand first to conduct a spave rendezvous (August 1962, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4).
7. First woman in space (June 1963, Vostok 6, as part of a second dual-spacecraft flight including Vostok 5).
8. First crew of three astronauts on board one spacecraft (October 1964, Voskhod 1).
9. First spacewalk (EVA) (March 1965, Voskhod 2).
Later on the American side of the fence, on January 27, 1967, three astronauts aboard Apollo 1 died in a fire on the launch pad during training. The fire was triggered by a spark in the oxygen-rich atmosphere used in the spacecraft test, and fueled by a significant quantity of combustible material within the spacecraft. Two years later all of the problems were declared fixed. We here at the Flat Earth Society believe that the accident led NASA to conclude that the only way to 'win' the space race was to fake space travel entirely. In any case, the first manned Apollo flight, Apollo 7, allegedly occurred in October, 1968, just 21 months after the fire.
In a mere 21 months after a catastrophic disaster, America had apparently caught up with decades of Russian research. Less than a year later, in July of 1969, America achieved the profound and spectacular technical capacity to send man to the moon. On the television screens far and wide, man was seen to have touched down on the moon.
However, in this thread my intention is not to analyze the Apollo missions. That has been done. NASA maintains several websites and has created a number of documentaries which battles allegations of a Conspiracy. It's a propaganda war of which one cannot win. America has a virtually unlimited budget. They make the money, after all. Since 1914 America's overspending on such projects has decreased the dollar's value by over one thousand fold.
When a new discrepancy in an Apollo image is found NASA frenzies to delete, modify, or fix the problem. If a sensitive or incriminating document is leaked to the internet or the press, the country utilizes its massive power to hush the issue by threatening ISPs and Media outlets with prosecution. America treats the NASA Conspiracy as if secrecy was as sensitive as its Nuclear secrets. That much is known, at least.
Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space, tells us that he recalls witnessing an absolutely beautiful star scape above the earth. Other Russian astronauts give us this account as well. This is in direct contradiction with NASA photographs. In all of its media not one single star is visible. NASA's astronauts themselves give personal statements that the stars were not visible in orbit around the earth, or upon landing on the moon.
There is a clip in a documentary called "Moon Faker" where an astronaut personally states that the stars were not visible in orbit. This documentary is available on YouTube. The documentary also verifies that, in direct contradiction, Yuri Gagarin indeed saw a beautiful vivid starscape from orbit.
Moon Faker part 1 (http://)
Moon Faker Part 2 (http://)
Moon Faker Part 3 (http://)
Moon Faker Part 4 (http://)
It's easy enough to find a NASA picture of a Round Earth with a starless black sky, but what of the pictures taken by the Russians?
Oddly enough, the author of this post finds that it is virtually impossible to find images from the Soviet space program. I've spent the last week looking far and wide for Russian images of the earth from space. In the billions of dollars the Russians spent to get into space, they must have brought a camera along with them, surely. It's absolutely inconceivable that the Russians would neglect to bring a camera. There should exist beautiful vivid pictures of the earth in abundance. My conclusion is that either the Soviet space program was also faked, or its pictures are hidden from the eye of the American public due to obvious inconsistencies. It's well known that the federal government imparts certain regulations upon search engines such as Google and Yahoo. There are various clauses on what they can and cannot index.
The closest Soviet space image I could find is this image (http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Fakes/C186.gif) of the Soyuz 3 in space. You will notice that the image is not hosted in America. Upon analysis, this image portrays a starry background and an elliptical horizon. This is certainly different than anything NASA presents. The picture seems to have been scanned from a newspaper or magazine.
Is anyone able to find a picture of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?
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At the time of Apollo, the Soviet Union had five times more manned hours in space than the US. They had achieved:
1. First manmade satellite in orbit (October 1957, Sputnik 1).
2. First living creature to enter orbit (November 1957, Sputnik 2).
3. First to safely return living creature from orbit, two dogs Belka and Strelka, 40 mice, 2 rats (August 1960, Sputnik 5).
4. First man in space (April 1961, Vostok 1).
5. First man to orbit the Earth (April 1961, Vostok 1).
6. First to have two spacecraft in orbit at the same time (though it was not a space rendezvous, as frequently described) (August 1962, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4).
7. First woman in space (June 1963, Vostok 6, as part of a second dual-spacecraft flight including Vostok 5).
8. First crew of three astronauts on board one spacecraft (October 1964, Voskhod 1).
9. First spacewalk (EVA) (March 1965, Voskhod 2).
So it's your position that
a) The Soviets were actually up in space, even though sustained spaceflight is expressly impossible; and
b) The US knew about this, and instead of actually competing they just made a lot of shit up?
BTW, what happened to the RSA being part of the conspiracy? Is that still the case, and all their records of when Russia was really in space burned up in a similar fire to the one that destroyed Charles Johnson's library?
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Regardless of his position, by his argument the conspiracy could not have anything to do with hiding a flat earth.
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In all honesty, I didn't waste my time reading the whole thing. ;D
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Tut lazy. I read the whole thing, and got highly confused. And also laughed a little at the thought of China invading...
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Is anyone able to find an images of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?
Yes, it's easy. Since the country doesn't even exist any longer, you'd expect it to be harder. Here's one with a man-made satellites and a curved earth
(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VCG2TQR0L._SS500_.jpg)
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The closest Russian space image I could find is this image of the Soyuz 3 in space. You will notice that the image is not hosted in America. Upon analysis, this image portrays a starry background and an elliptical horizon.
How did you arrive at the conclusion that the horizon was elliptical?
This is the same retarded crap as you posted in regards to the round shadow when an eclipse is going on.
You don't understand simple mathematics. There's no reason to assume that's an ellipse unless you've done the calculations (let's see them).
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It's probably not even a photograph. ::)
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It's easy enough to find a picture of a Round Earth with a starless sky, but what of the pictures taken by the Russians?
Oddly enough, it is virtually impossible to find images from the soviet space program. I've spent the last week looking far and wide for Russian images of the earth from space. In the billions of dollars the Russians spent to get into space, they must have brought a camera along with them, surely. It's absolutely inconceivable that the Russians would neglect to bring a camera. There should exist beautiful vivid pictures of the earth in abundance. Either the soviet space program was also faked, or its pictures are hidden from the eye of the American public due to obvious inconsistencies. It's well known that the federal government imparts certain regulations upon search engines such as Google and Yahoo. There are various clauses on what they can and cannot index.
The closest Russian space image I could find is this image (http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Fakes/C186.gif) of the Soyuz 3 in space. You will notice that the image is not hosted in America. Upon analysis, this image portrays a starry background and an elliptical horizon. This is certainly different than anything NASA presents. The picture seems to have been scanned from a newspaper or magazine.
Is anyone able to find a picture of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?
http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/iss007e16030.jpg (http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/iss007e16030.jpg)
http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/Earth-Moon.jpg (http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/Earth-Moon.jpg)
You didn't look very hard.
EDIT: I like this one, it's pretty...
http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/as16-118-18885.jpg (http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/as16-118-18885.jpg)
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You didn't look very hard.
Those images were taken from the ISS, long after America won the Cold War and the Soviet Empire fell. It even says in the lower left corner of that first image that it was taken from the ISS. Those same images appear in NASA's online catalog.
The Americans, Europeans, and Russians all currently participate in funding and operation of the International Space Station.
My query was to find images from the Soviet Space Program, not the Russian Space Agency. There is a distinct and important difference. The Soviet Space Program was not an American ally, while the current Russian Space Agency works in direct participation and collusion with NASA.
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That doesn't explain how the Soviets got into space if sustained spaceflight is impossible, Tom. ::)
Of course, if it's possible to go into space, that obliterates any motive for a conspiracy. This was pathetic, Tom. ::) ::) ::)
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Quick question. Well, a couple.
How do Russians get into space before America if spaceflight is 'impossible?'
Why would the USA start to fake a massive conspiracy when all Russia had done was a seires of fairly pointless space propaganda launches. Their missile program was a shambles, the space race was propaganda. If anyone is lying its the Russians not the Americans.
Why are you asking for pictures when they aren't proof of anything. If you want pictures, how about I fax you a pictur e of the spherical planet we're all sitting on Tom.
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whatch the pics in this directory:
http://www.roscosmos.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/ (http://www.roscosmos.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/)
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http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/s/sal6insp.jpg (http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/s/sal6insp.jpg)
The Salyut 6 space station.
Found a neat site...
http://www.astronautix.com (http://www.astronautix.com)
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That doesn't explain how the Soviets got into space if sustained spaceflight is impossible, Tom.
It's possible to get into space under the Flat Earth model. Why wouldn't it be?
It's just impossible to stay in space.
whatch the pics in this directory:
Those images come from the International Space Station. They aren't images from the Soviet Space Agency. They're from the Russian Space Agency. See the "ISS" in the image name? That stands for "International Space Station."
I'm searching for images taken from the Voskhod, the Vostok, or one of the Soviet's other spacecraft.
Found a neat site...
http://www.astronautix.com
That's a great resource. Thanks a lot.
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That doesn't explain how the Soviets got into space if sustained spaceflight is impossible, Tom.
It's possible to get into space under the Flat Earth model. Why wouldn't it be?
But not for sustained space flight. Which you've just said the Soviets managed. Make your mind up.
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Those images come from the International Space Station. They aren't images from the Soviet Space Agency. They're from the Russian Space Agency. See the "ISS" in the image name? That stands for "International Space Station."
I'm searching for images taken from the Voskhod, the Vostok, or one of the Soviet's other spacecraft.
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/video/v-007.mpg (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/video/v-007.mpg)
It's hosted by NASA, though. It's Aleksei Leonov EVA in 1965.
Not all of those photos are from ISS.
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You're pathetic as usual, Tom. ;D
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Come on Tom, I'm confused here, clear things up for me mate
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Come on Tom, I'm confused here, clear things up for me mate
When has that ever happened?
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He can't clear this up, because once again, he's completely contradicted what he's said in the past. ::)
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Once. But I may have dreamt it.
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After all, who doesn't dream of Tom Bishop? :-*
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So this thread is another load of Tom-related nonsense?
I always dream about Tom, sexy dreams.
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So this thread is another load of Tom-related nonsense?
Might as well be, we've already started to spam it up.
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Tom, if the United States faked the moon landings, then why hasn't the Russian Space Agency discredited us? They obviously believe it. And the picture you posted was a diagram, not a picture.
Docking of Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5
(http://www.videocosmos.com/images/soyuz-4.jpg)
First space station Salyut
(http://www.videocosmos.com/images/salyut.jpg)
Socking of Soyuz 10 with Salyut
(http://www.videocosmos.com/images/salyut-soyuz.jpg)
A Russian Picture of Mir (Search Мир)
(http://www.iki.rssi.ru/mir/MIR_SHUTTLE2.gif)
And Tom, you keep going on about how the Russians were the first in space. How were they the first in Space if sustained space flight is not possible? Plus, I doubt the conspiracy existed back in the 1950s, because no one had been in space yet. They had sent probes to Mars, Venus, and the Moon. In 1961 when Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space, I pretty sure he would have told someone if the Earth was flat. No one could stop him because no one else would have known.
The whole point is, if sustained space flight is no possible, why are you talking about these two space agencies as if it is? I mean, if Gherman Titov (first person in space for over a day) got up there and sustained space flight was not possible, he would fall back to Earth. In order to stay in space for a day, you would have to go at least 2,777,952.76 feet above the Earth, all the while falling back to Earth unable to stay in space. Gherman Titov orbited the Earth seventeen times. Orbit is not possible on a flat earth. Please alter your argument so that it makes sense.
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The whole point is that even if there was a NASA conspiracy, it couldn't involve the shape of the Earth.
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So this thread is another load of Tom-related nonsense?
I always dream about Tom, sexy dreams.
I just vomit-burped.
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Tom is just talking bollocks again. Why does anyone bother listening to him?
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Those images come from the International Space Station. They aren't images from the Soviet Space Agency. They're from the Russian Space Agency. See the "ISS" in the image name? That stands for "International Space Station."
You still haven't explained why we can see the ISS and the Space Shuttle from Earth, if they both don't exist.
Also, just for fun, here's probably the earliest recorded image of outer space, made in 1946 from a V2 rocket.
http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/video/V2%20Photography%20of%20Earth.php
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The conspiracy will kill Tom for that post.
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Those images come from the International Space Station. They aren't images from the Soviet Space Agency. They're from the Russian Space Agency. See the "ISS" in the image name? That stands for "International Space Station."
You still haven't explained why we can see the ISS and the Space Shuttle from Earth, if they both don't exist.
Also, just for fun, here's probably the earliest recorded image of outer space, made in 1946 from a V2 rocket.
http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/video/V2%20Photography%20of%20Earth.php
Tom, if you watch that video if clearly shows a Round Earth like we've seen in photos. The conspiracy surely didn't exist in the 1940s, we were too concerned with World War II. Our first photos of Earth, and they strongly point toward a Round Earth.
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Tom, if you watch that video if clearly shows a Round Earth like we've seen in photos. The conspiracy surely didn't exist in the 1940s, we were too concerned with World War II. Our first photos of Earth, and they strongly point toward a Round Earth.
It's been edited since then, duh. No one was paying attention to the shape of the Earth in the video at the time. After all, people of the forties are notorious for their short attention spans and general ADD-ness.
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This thread was a complete fail. It didn't make sense from the beginning, and Tom has gotten disproved so many times it is not even funny.
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Tom, if you watch that video if clearly shows a Round Earth like we've seen in photos. The conspiracy surely didn't exist in the 1940s, we were too concerned with World War II. Our first photos of Earth, and they strongly point toward a Round Earth.
It's been edited since then, duh. No one was paying attention to the shape of the Earth in the video at the time. After all, people of the forties are notorious for their short attention spans and general ADD-ness.
So, when the Russians got the footage back from the V-2 rockets, no one at all was like,"Holy SH*T, the Earth is flat!"?
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So, when the Russians got the footage back from the V-2 rockets, no one at all was like,"Holy SH*T, the Earth is flat!"?
They wouldn't have. Too much vodka.
BTW, wasn't it the Germans with the V# rockets? In that case, too much jager.
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BTW, wasn't it the Germans with the V# rockets? In that case, too much jager.
Yea, however I've read in an article that they were not interested in using the V2 rockets in the name of science, and thus never attached cameras to them.
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They were pretty much bombs that could fly fast and far. The technology could be extended to space (and was by Russia) but the germans were busy bombing Britain and other places.
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Stupid war...
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Stupid war...
There's yet to be any other type.
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Damn Germaniams
And damn Geraniums as well
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Stupid war...
There's yet to be any other type.
Maybe one day....erm....somehow :P
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Hows about the ongoing war between me and the people who hate spam?
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I laughed pretty hard at the point of America not possibly having the technology of nukes.
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I laughed pretty hard at the point of America not possibly having the technology of nukes.
There is a striking possibility.
Do you think it's only communists and fascists who distribute and produce propaganda designed to portray themselves as more powerful and technically achieved than they really are? The truth is that America produces propaganda all the time. Each and every word out of the president's mouth is carefully designed and calculated beforehand by his advisers. During the Cold War the Russians had themselves convinced that America was bluffing about its achievements. Likewise, America had itself convinced that the Russians were bluffing about theirs.
The Cold War wasn't a war of technological advancement, but a war of propaganda. Creating propaganda is vastly easier than investing trillions into what is perhaps a fruitless or impossible cause. During the 1950's the scientific publications of the time were filled with imaginative future tech "currently in development" by the military. From Nuclear tipped bazookas to antimatter bombs capable of eradicating entire countries at a time, there was a constant stream of disinformation flowing from the depths of the Pentagon.
See this thread: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.0
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I read that thread. It is about the 3rd stupidest thing I've ever seen (after Apollo Hoaxers and FEers).
More than 140,000 people were killed in Hiroshima...if you'd actually done any research into this yourself you would understand why even the worst fire bombing would not account for the effects of 'Little Boy'.
Nothing better expected of course. You now fail at science, math and history. Let's just hope you're fucking good at geology...
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I read that thread. It is about the 3rd stupidest thing I've ever seen (after Apollo Hoaxers and FEers).
Oh that's right, I forgot Gin. You will blindly believe anything the government or media tells you like a dog to the whistle.
More than 140,000 people were killed in Hiroshima...if you'd actually done any research into this yourself you would understand why even the worst fire bombing would not account for the effects of 'Little Boy'.
Just who do you think tallied up and told us about the deaths?
Japan originally gave very different death estimates than what America told the world. Someone was producing false information, obviously. Perhaps both countries were producing false information.
Why do you think America is so honest?
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Oh that's right, I forgot Gin. You blindly believe anything the government tells you like a dog to the whistle.
For the last time: My government is not your government. America is not the centre of the world.
FEers blindly disbelieve the government, using their own conviction as a circular proof for a conspiracy.
Just who do you think tallied up and told us about the deaths?
Again, there is no 'us'. The Japanese government gave original estimates. Of course the estimates vary, as more people are discovered alive or dead (or more people actually die...radiation sickness is mercilessly slow sometimes). Nuclear technology exists in many countries, as any intelligent person (know any?) will be able to tell you.
I suppose, like a flock of startled birds (I can do animal metaphors too! Look mummy!) you scatter from any government-endorsed information whether or not it is reasonable or there is evidence for its falsification. You must think your mistrust of government makes you smart, but in fact taking any position that is one way or the other is foolish.
You can keep claiming conspiracies (and yet pretend that you are some kind of scientist?) or you can just leave....
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Again, there is no 'us'.
Is America allied with your country? If so, then our countries have common goals and ambitions. As an ally, our countries meet secretly and scheme.
America is not the centre of the world.
Yes it is. America is the only existing superpower. Here, I'll put it in perspective for you:
There are 192 countries on earth. The United States of America has bases in 130 of them.
How many countries does your homeland have military bases in?
The Japanese government gave original estimates. Of course the estimates vary, as more people are discovered alive or dead (or more people actually die...radiation sickness is mercilessly slow sometimes). Nuclear technology exists in many countries, as any intelligent person (know any?) will be able to tell you.
When a country claims to have Nuclear Technology it's a scare tactic, nothing more. Whether or not it actually does is debatable. Claiming to have Nuclear weapons is something which instantly increases a country's status in global politics. With a threat of a fiery annihilation looming down your enemy's throat, victory is assured. That's exactly what we are told North Korea is doing after all.
You must think your mistrust of government makes you smart, but in fact taking any position that is one way or the other is foolish.
There's nothing smart about blindly believing the word of a massive powerful entity with inconceivable motives. A government is an entity which controls the flow of money, the education of its people, the outlets of the media, and wages war with whomever it sees fit. The Government can and does murder at will in order to satisfy its desires.
Distrust is key to all global politics. Never trust a government.
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America is not the centre of the world.
Yes it is. America is the only existing superpower. Here, I'll put it in perspective for you:
There are 192 countries on earth. The United States of America has bases in 130 of them.
How many countries does your homeland have military bases in?
On behalf of all my country's people, I ask your forgiveness for TomB's stupid statement. Please disregard it as the unwarranted opinion of a stupid jerk.
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17 november doesnt know what the fuck he was talking about. Search his posts, hes just antisemitic. Look at his posts. He says Einstein is wrong and all the stuff he came up with is "jewish propaganda".
Nuclear bombs do exist, and they did way back in WWII.
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America is not the centre of the world.
Yes it is. America is the only existing superpower. Here, I'll put it in perspective for you:
There are 192 countries on earth. The United States of America has bases in 130 of them.
How many countries does your homeland have military bases in?
On behalf of all my country's people, I ask your forgiveness for TomB's stupid statement. Please disregard it as the unwarranted opinion of a stupid jerk.
He's sort of right though....
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My avatar is the Tsar Bomba. Does it not exist, Tom?
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I don't think the US ever landed on the moon. Tom does bring up very good points in his arguement... but because of his reputation here... anyway not getting into Tom right now... But yeah, we faked the moon landings because the Soviets were so far ahead of us in space travel. Way too many errors with the moon landings. It's sickening how NASA is lying about landing on the moon. I invite anyone to get the world's strongest telescope and show me the original landing sites. Of course that technology isn't around yet. I don't trust our government... they also helped kill JFK.
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You're not getting into Tom right now? He's always getting into you, the dirty bastard
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I took that in a very wrong way at first... like penis in the bum way.... :'(
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As we all know, the entire premise of this website is that NASA is a fraudulent entity. Nothing said or given by NASA or its collaborators is to be trusted. The American Government has great incentive to portray the illusion of space travel. It is this from
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Is anyone able to find a picture of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?
Why do yo want to see pictrures if you say they aren't evidence?
There is no conspiracy, retard. Check this thread and really read it this time!
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=13526.0
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Oh, but there is a conspiracy! We're 100% certain!
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There could be a conspiracy...