Space doesn't exist. It's part of the conspiracy.
And the Ice Wall is well guarded at all times. I should know. I've been there.
Are you calling me a liar?
Ask yourself why the planes that easily endure temperatures below -40 degrees in every long trip (more than 1 hour or so) in commercial routes cannot survive the temperatures supposedly found over the great wall.
Temperatures beyond the ice wall start approaching absolute zero. ...Evidence? I'd think that the ice wall would radiate enough heat to keep things toasty (relative to absolute zero) for many miles. Wouldn't the Sun, enough though it shines down, would have to be hot (black body thermodynamics, right?) and high enough to warm a good distance as well. If no one's ever see beyond the Ice Wall, it seems to me that no one has measured the temperature beyond the Ice Wall. Can you back up your statement?
Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess.So are you admitting that you don't know the temperatures beyond the Ice Wall as you previously claimed approached absolute zero?
Science is always quick to jump on observational evidence to explain an existing theory without considering that the original idea might be inherently flawed to begin with. If you want proof of how much science is flawed, look no further than the Piltdown Man. Scientists were so eager to confirm Darwin's theory, that when someone "found" bone fragments of the kind everyone was looking for (i.e. fit Darwin's theory), they all went hoorah and said this was clear proof that Darwin's ideas were correct. Yeah, a HARD FACT DISCOVERY. Then when it was discovered to be a conspiracy, they changed their theory and said, "Actually, what we are looking for is something that looks like this."While I appreciate the example as reason for great caution in accepting the words of others, I must apply it to you. Tell me how you know about the hurricanes. What kind of hurricanes are these? Have you measured the winds? What evidence do you have of these hurricanes.
I don't think the kind of hurricanes that lie on the endless tundra beyond the ice wall get names. ::)
The area where the sun doesn't shine becomes much cooler in its absense in just hours. I don't see why hundreds, or thousands of miles into the ice wall, where the sun really doesn't shine, it couldn't become much, much cooler.It has to do with Maxwell's Equations. Think of it this way: The Sun shines on the Earth. The Earth then shines what it receives. The Ice Wall, as part of the warm Earth, would warm the surrounding area for millions of miles to well above Absolute Zero.
I have no idea how that could work when there's tons of energy being transformed heating the known earth.Let me try an analogy (I'll put the analogues in parentheses.). Let's say that you have a hotel of hundred rooms (The Universe). In room #50 (the area around the Earth), there's a hotplate (the Sun) that produces enough heat to warm a pot (Earth) of water to 100 degrees. Imagine that everywhere else in the hotel is 50 degrees (Absolute zero). Now imagine what would happen if the hotplate was left on for a week. The room would rise in temperature maybe to 99 degrees. Now imagine what would happen if the hotplate was left on for 4 billion years.
Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
However, The Flat Earth does not necessary need to be physically infinite in order to contain the atmosphere - just very big. Often we might hear "infinite earth" from Flat Earth proponents as an analogy for what exists past the ice wall; a stretch of land incomprehensible by human standards.
In order for barometric pressure to rise and fall, an element of heat must be present. Heat creates pressure. These two elements are tightly correlated in modern physics.
In our local area the heat of the day comes from the sun, moving and swashing around wind currents from areas of low pressures to areas of high pressures with its heat. Past the Ice Wall, where the rays of the sun do not reach, the tundra of ice and snow lays in perpetual darkness. If one could move away from the Ice Wall into the uncharted tundra the surrounding temperatures would drop lower and lower until it nears absolute zero. Defining the exact length of the gradient would take some looking into, but at a significant distance from the edge of the Ice Wall temperatures will drop to a point where barometric pressure nears the zero mark. At this point, whether it be millions or hundreds of millions of miles from the edge of Ice Wall, the world can end without the atmosphere leaking into space.
The atmosphere exists as a lip on the surface of the earth, held in by vast gradients of declining pressure.
:D
Let me try an analogy (I'll put the analogues in parentheses.). Let's say that you have a hotel of hundred rooms (The Universe). In room #50 (the area around the Earth), there's a hotplate (the Sun) that produces enough heat to warm a pot (Earth) of water to 100 degrees. Imagine that everywhere else in the hotel is 50 degrees (Absolute zero). Now imagine what would happen if the hotplate was left on for a week. The room would rise in temperature maybe to 99 degrees. Now imagine what would happen if the hotplate was left on for 4 billion years.
Maxwell said, before Einstein's E=mc2, that energy is neither created or destroyed. We know now that Sun converts mass into energy (There is a school of thought that in the end it's really gravity producing the energy, but that's another post someday.) That energy reaches us by mostly visible light. It warms the Earth. But you know that the Earth's temperature has held steady for billions of years. So the Earth is sending that heat off somewhere, so the Earth "shines".
Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally.
However, The Flat Earth does not necessary need to be physically infinite in order to contain the atmosphere - just very big. Often we might hear "infinite earth" from Flat Earth proponents as an analogy for what exists past the ice wall; a stretch of land incomprehensible by human standards.
In order for barometric pressure to rise and fall, an element of heat must be present. Heat creates pressure. These two elements are tightly correlated in modern physics.
In our local area the heat of the day comes from the sun, moving and swashing around wind currents from areas of low pressures to areas of high pressures with its heat. Past the Ice Wall, where the rays of the sun do not reach, the tundra of ice and snow lays in perpetual darkness. If one could move away from the Ice Wall into the uncharted tundra the surrounding temperatures would drop lower and lower until it nears absolute zero. Defining the exact length of the gradient would take some looking into, but at a significant distance from the edge of the Ice Wall temperatures will drop to a point where barometric pressure nears the zero mark. At this point, whether it be millions or hundreds of millions of miles from the edge of Ice Wall, the world can end without the atmosphere leaking into space.
The atmosphere exists as a lip on the surface of the earth, held in by vast gradients of declining pressure.
:D
This is Tom's bad answer you poser.
Well asked. Let's add open space around the hotel in the analogy. The surface of the hot body, the outside walls of the hotel, would eventually reach an equilibrium point where it would radiate to "outer space" exactly the same amount of energy per time as the hot plate provide. The surface temperature would be proportional, according to relative surface areas, to the 100 degree hotplate. (Now there's a few problems directly relating this to the Absolute Zero claims we've seen here. For example we don't know if there's something out beyond the Ice Wall to reflect or otherwise re-radiate the energy.)Let me try an analogy (I'll put the analogues in parentheses.). Let's say that you have a hotel of hundred rooms (The Universe). In room #50 (the area around the Earth), there's a hotplate (the Sun) that produces enough heat to warm a pot (Earth) of water to 100 degrees. Imagine that everywhere else in the hotel is 50 degrees (Absolute zero). Now imagine what would happen if the hotplate was left on for a week. The room would rise in temperature maybe to 99 degrees. Now imagine what would happen if the hotplate was left on for 4 billion years.
Maxwell said, before Einstein's E=mc2, that energy is neither created or destroyed. We know now that Sun converts mass into energy (There is a school of thought that in the end it's really gravity producing the energy, but that's another post someday.) That energy reaches us by mostly visible light. It warms the Earth. But you know that the Earth's temperature has held steady for billions of years. So the Earth is sending that heat off somewhere, so the Earth "shines".
Well, your theory makes sense now, but what about open space? It's cold, and wouldn't that greatly cool the outer edges of the ice wall?