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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: omgcitrus on April 10, 2007, 11:00:06 PM

Title: FE map..?
Post by: omgcitrus on April 10, 2007, 11:00:06 PM
Where's Antarctica?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: akira on April 10, 2007, 11:02:13 PM
Their map is flawed 100%.
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Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 10, 2007, 11:07:38 PM
They don't have a map.  They have a drawing.  A sketch of what a flat earth might look like.  It's like something out of the fucking Lord of the Rings.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: omgcitrus on April 10, 2007, 11:13:17 PM
Right, their drawing. I'm definetely not saying I believe it. I'm asking them, where's Antarctica? Because I couldn't see it.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: BOGWarrior89 on April 11, 2007, 03:44:14 AM
Antarctica is the ice wall.  Had you read the FAQ (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0) you would already know this, but alas, nobody reads the FAQ (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0) anymore.

Here is the map:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/dogplatter/flatmap.jpg)



And here is a rendered version of our world:
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e305/flying_leaf/test1.jpg)
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: omgcitrus on April 11, 2007, 04:12:42 AM
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Antarctica is the ice wall.  Had you read the FAQ you would already know this, but alas, nobody reads the FAQ anymore.

OH I READ IT.

After I posted this.

The problem is lady (and yeah I know you're a dude. I choose to call you lady out of spite), people have gone to Antarctica and I believe some people actually live there. They could all work for the government and its conspiracy, however, as I've sad before, in order to prove that why don't one or all of you FEs go there and see the ice wall? Take a few pics. And if the government erases your memory, at least you'd have tried.
Thing is, you haven't tried.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 11, 2007, 11:05:38 AM
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The problem is lady (and yeah I know you're a dude. I choose to call you lady out of spite), people have gone to Antarctica and I believe some people actually live there.

There's a difference between simply going to the Ice Wall for a day trip and circumnavigating the entire Ice Wall on an exploratory expedition.

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They could all work for the government and its conspiracy, however, as I've sad before, in order to prove that why don't one or all of you FEs go there and see the ice wall? Take a few pics.

There are plenty pictures of the Ice Wall. Just do a Google Image Search for "Antarctica."
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: silverhammermba on April 11, 2007, 02:15:11 PM
One thing that's always confused me about your map of the FE is the proportions. If it were as you say it is, then the government conspiracy wouldn't simply be guarding the ice wall, they'd have to guard pretty much anything below the tropic of Capricorn. Look at the distance between the southern tip of South America and Africa! It's huge! That's easily three times the distance from the Eat Coast of the US to Europe. Unfortunately for you FE'ers, commerce and transportation occur in both the upper and lower hemispheres of the Earth - how can you explain away such dramatic differences in distance?

Oh and, I already posted a similar question and never received a legitimate answer (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11955.0)
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 02:21:54 PM
Or better yet, look at their asinine FE map and compare South America to Australia. In statute miles, Sydney and Buenos Aires are 7330 miles apart. That would mean their whole map is off. But, then again, why should they have to prove anything, since they got this whole FE theory straight from some crazy hermit religo's ass.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: silverhammermba on April 12, 2007, 07:45:49 PM
I await an honest response from an FE'er.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Cartog on October 02, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
Plenty of ships have travelled all around Antarctica, which proves that it's not surrounding the rim of a flat earth.  So where is the Rim, the Edge, the Dropping-Off point?  It should be in every direction if you go far enough.  This is the Big Failing in FE propaganda.  Show us the Edge and make believers out of all of us.

And as soon as we locate the Edge a good many of us will be adventurous enough to want to explore over the side, to see if there are other forms of life, maybe even other forms of intelligent life, on the sides (and let's not forget Side B of the flat planet).
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: N30 on October 02, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: silverhammermba on April 11, 2007, 02:15:11 PM
commerce and transportation occur in both the upper and lower hemispheres of the Earth

Do you speak of the government controlled shipping lanes and flight patterns?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: IonSpen on October 02, 2016, 01:25:55 PM
You're quoting someone from 2007. Who hasn't been active since '09.
Do you really expect an answer from him?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: narcberry on October 02, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth.

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Post by: IonSpen on October 02, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: narcberry on October 02, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth.
According to the flat earth model, during summer, there would be night and day as the sun made its circuit. But reports of 24 hour daylight, as in the Arctic,  say otherwise. How is this possible?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: rabinoz on October 02, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: narcberry on October 02, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth.
1) What does "planar normal to the surface of the earth" mean?

2) Please show independent (of you) of your claim that "Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth" containing those words!
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: wise on October 03, 2016, 01:38:36 AM
The earth is flat but FE map is not completely true.

The official FE map is a perception study aims to opposite control and move them to wrong way. We real FE'rs still working for a true one.

we dive under the water like crocodiles. We'll suddenly exit on water and will smash to rounders and collaborators traitors.  :)
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Brouwer on October 03, 2016, 02:56:44 AM
There are plenty people "working" on the map, but so far noone has provided anything reliable. Why's that?

Well, it's impossible to map a globe onto plane surface without distortion, so sich (flat) kind of map won't ever be created.
And if you ask why maps are made on flat paper, it's because they're more practical, resistant and mobile.


Quote from: narcberry on October 02, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth.
There are only two distinct (up to translation) normal vectors to the planar surface. "Up" (aiming the space) and "Down" (aiming through the Earth).
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Badxtoss on October 03, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: narcberry on October 02, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth.
Any sort of evidence at all of this?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: robintex on October 03, 2016, 09:52:19 AM
If we are going to be realistic about this there is never going to be an "accurate flat earth map."
Because the earth is not a flat disc.
Because the only "flat earth maps" that the flat earthers have produced are simply projections of the globe such as the mercator, unipolar and bipolar projections which have distortions.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: robintex on October 03, 2016, 10:31:25 AM
Quote from: Badxtoss on October 03, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: narcberry on October 02, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Antarctica is in every direction planar normal to the surface of the earth.
Any sort of evidence at all of this?

Again, if we are going to be realistic about this. Antarctica has been surveyed and mapped and there is evidence that the size  and shape are reasonably accurate. The only reply from flat earhers is their denial of reality.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: N30 on October 03, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Googleotomy on October 03, 2016, 10:31:25 AM
Antarctica has been surveyed and mapped and there is evidence that the size  and shape are reasonably accurate.

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/47429917.jpg)
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 03, 2016, 02:17:50 PM
What about the cruises that go around it, and don't take astronomically long tomes to do so?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Badxtoss on October 03, 2016, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: N30 on October 03, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Googleotomy on October 03, 2016, 10:31:25 AM
Antarctica has been surveyed and mapped and there is evidence that the size  and shape are reasonably accurate.

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/47429917.jpg)
Ok, prove it
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: rabinoz on October 03, 2016, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: N30 on October 03, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Googleotomy on October 03, 2016, 10:31:25 AM
Antarctica has been surveyed and mapped and there is evidence that the size  and shape are reasonably accurate.

Just fixing the quote you deceptively emphasised!
Is it built into you nature to be as deceptive as possible?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: boydster on October 04, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: N30 on October 03, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/47429917.jpg)

That's a misquote. He was actually saying "Laser" with the air quotes.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: rabinoz on October 04, 2016, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: boydster on October 04, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: N30 on October 03, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/47429917.jpg)

That's a misquote. He was actually saying "Laser" with the air quotes.
Don't you mean that
As in almost every post, N30 is still misquoting!
He has to be constantly monitored.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: N30 on October 04, 2016, 02:57:27 PM
“Forget the politicians.
The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice.
You don't.
You have no choice.
You have owners.
They own you.
They own everything.
They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations that've long since bought and paid for, the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pocket, and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and the information you get to hear.
They got you by the balls.
They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want.
Well, we know what they want.
They want more for themselves and less for everybody else.
But I'll tell you what they don't want.
They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking.
They don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking.
They're not interested in that.
That doesn't help them."

-George Carlin

(http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/theylive3.jpg)

Wake up, Earth is flat.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: gotham on October 04, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
You can't make a map using science and math. You can't make a map getting in a rocket and flying away.

You can make a map with normal travel, observation, paper and pen.  Those that have traveled extensively by land and sea observing the Earth know this to be true.

With proper use of travel, grids, time and money the mapping of the Disc will be completed.

It's hardly worth debunking the globe once again.  It's just too easy and has been done too many times in the past.  People who say the Earth is round because they own a globe must be kidding, but they are not kidding everyone.

 
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 04, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: gotham on October 04, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
You can't make a map using science and math. You can't make a map getting in a rocket and flying away.

You can make a map with normal travel, observation, paper and pen.  Those that have traveled extensively by land and sea observing the Earth know this to be true.

With proper use of travel, grids, time and money the mapping of the Disc will be completed.

It's hardly worth debunking the globe once again.  It's just too easy and has been done too many times in the past.  People who say the Earth is round because they own a globe must be kidding, but they are not kidding everyone.
How come any sailor/cartographer ever has mapped the earth and found it to be consistent with a sphere?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: gotham on October 04, 2016, 07:07:55 PM
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on October 04, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: gotham on October 04, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
You can't make a map using science and math. You can't make a map getting in a rocket and flying away.

You can make a map with normal travel, observation, paper and pen.  Those that have traveled extensively by land and sea observing the Earth know this to be true.

With proper use of travel, grids, time and money the mapping of the Disc will be completed.

It's hardly worth debunking the globe once again.  It's just too easy and has been done too many times in the past.  People who say the Earth is round because they own a globe must be kidding, but they are not kidding everyone.
How come any sailor/cartographer ever has mapped the earth and found it to be consistent with a sphere?

It would be welcomed if the entire Earth would be mapped via actual travel on land and sea using verifiable observational methodology. If this would be the case, it would reveal a Disc as claimed by FET and we do expect an ongoing mapping effort.

 
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Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 04, 2016, 07:10:57 PM
oh. So they have mapped it along countless lines and lattitudes and the only way for it to work is a sphere, but if they would just map the little points between the lines and latitudes, then suddenly the map would work for a flat plane again?

Is that what you are suggesting?
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: gotham on October 04, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
Don't try bringing in the usual textbook RET claims if you want credibility.     

If actual observational mapping of the entire Earth is employed it will reveal a Disc, as experienced in smaller scale examples.

The truth shown in that real map will confirm the claim of FET, but the project must be completed first. 

Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on October 04, 2016, 07:46:18 PM
how come the tropic of capicorn is smaller than the equator then?
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Post by: rabinoz on October 04, 2016, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: gotham on October 04, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
Don't try bringing in the usual textbook RET claims if you want credibility.     

If actual observational mapping of the entire Earth is employed it will reveal a Disc, as experienced in smaller scale examples.

The truth shown in that real map will confirm the claim of FET, but the project must be completed first.
I think we could just as well say: "Don't try bringing in the usual SacredTexts FET claims if you want credibility."

Rowbotham wrote his "Zetetic Astronomy: Earth not a Globe" well before much was known of the "deep" Southern Latitudes.

Tom Bishop (who now posts mainly on TFES.org which your "club" so childishly converts to TFES.org) has seen the truth of this and now supports the "Bipolar map".

Mind you this opens a whole new "can of worms"!
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: Brouwer on October 04, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: gotham on October 04, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
You can't make a map using science and math. You can't make a map getting in a rocket and flying away.

You can make a map with normal travel, observation, paper and pen.  Those that have traveled extensively by land and sea observing the Earth know this to be true.
These sentences contradict each other.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: rabinoz on October 05, 2016, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: gotham on October 04, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
If actual observational mapping of the entire Earth is employed it will reveal a Disc, as experienced in smaller scale examples.

I would like to know how you think maps were made before satellite mapping!

All maps made before the 1950''s were made by "actual observational mapping". Ship's navigators were the earliest people mapping coastlines.
Then, geodetic surveyors mapped the interiors of countries.The early explorers of Australia's inland took surveyors to map features on the route they traversed. One obvious reason for this is simply to be able to find the way home.

The English surveyed much of India during their occupation of the country.

And our knowledge of the shape of countries (especially those in the Southern Hemisphere) if enough to prove that the "Ice Wall" cannot be correct.
Title: Re: FE map..?
Post by: southern hemispherer on October 06, 2016, 11:50:47 PM
Look, we will have to face the FE 'truth'. The further away you go from the north pole, the wider it gets. That is why all vehicle manufacturers must be in on the conspiracy as well. A mile is Australia, South Africa and South America (using the 32 degrees south latitude as an example) actually equals about 2.5 miles in America, Spain and China (based on a 40 degree north latitude). To compensate for this. a gallon of fuel has to be 2.5 gallons to get the same fuel efficiency. So the fuel sellers are in on it too. People visiting the Southern Hemisphere suddenly find that they need to drive at a speed that seems 2.5 times faster than they are used to.
Things would get a whole lot worse if you use the 'unofficial' FE map on Wikipedia which still uses Eratosthenes' calculations, where they still believe the distance from the north pole to the equator is 12250 nautical miles, or 14100 miles compared to the standard globe measurement of about 6250 miles. To circumnavigate the Antarctic on this scale would be a distance of 154000 miles on the FE map, while doing in at about the 60 to 62 degrees south latitude on the globe is a mere 12250 miles approximately. Twelve times as much fuel and to complete it in the same time, 12 times the speed.
Let's face it, the FE'ers need the Southern Hemisphere to disappear because of all the troubles is brings with Antarctica, incalculable (or fake) sunshine hours the lower the latitudes including the pain in the neck 24 hour Antarctic sun, those pesky direct flights which go from Auckland to Beunos Aires, Beunos Aires to Cape Town, and Johannesburg to Perth, the annoying Cape (Town) to Rio yacht race and the legs of the round the world yacht race which are below the equator, the mind-bending Southern Cross which can be visible at the exact same moment directly south from say Africa and South America when the angle on the map is over 90 degrees, the moon turning upside down, and so on........  I think it is time for all FE'ers to stand up for their rights and discard the Southern Hemisphere! Any FE'ers down there had better relocate soon before it is too late.
Ban the Southern Hemisphere, ban the Southern Hemisphere!!!