The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: into_the_airwaves on April 09, 2007, 07:19:55 PM
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I read the FAQ and I'm still rather...baffled.
I don't want to gun you guys down for having an alternate belief of the shape of the world. There are a lot of things that are just accepted as a fact, and "the earth is round" is one of them, so it's cool that you guys don't believe this.
However, it defies a lot of laws of science. Especially gravity. If the earth isn't round, we would be plumeting into nothing because the gravitational pull toward the sun would mess up with the shape. Considering we're sucked toward the sun around the equator (if you guys believe this exists?), which is why the equator is hotter (because its closest to the sun). If there is no center gravitational pull, and if there is, it would not be enough to keep us in orbit, why are we still in contact with the sun?
I also read on the FAQ that you're guys' theory on the sunset is that we're actually moving farther away from the sun. Please elaborate further on this as I am slightly confused as to how this would work. If we move further away from the sun at sunset, how do we move back at sunrise?
Thanks guys.
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There are no simple explanations on a flat earth. They don't believe in gravity, but in 'gravitation' which is apparently the illusion of gravity caused by our constant upward acceleration which is powered by giant space unicorns* The sun isnt the sun as we know it, but a 32km disc that acts like a spotlight. Sunset and sunrise are a combination of perspective and weird optical illusions. For further (lack of) clarification read Earth: Not A Globe, it will only take you about 10 years....
*Space unicorns are not endorsed by Flat Earth Theory. The rest of the above is though. Tom Bishop is the messiah.
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I read the FAQ and I'm still rather...baffled.
I don't want to gun you guys down for having an alternate belief of the shape of the world. There are a lot of things that are just accepted as a fact, and "the earth is round" is one of them, so it's cool that you guys don't believe this.
However, it defies a lot of laws of science. Especially gravity. If the earth isn't round, we would be plumeting into nothing because the gravitational pull toward the sun would mess up with the shape. Considering we're sucked toward the sun around the equator (if you guys believe this exists?), which is why the equator is hotter (because its closest to the sun). If there is no center gravitational pull, and if there is, it would not be enough to keep us in orbit, why are we still in contact with the sun?
I also read on the FAQ that you're guys' theory on the sunset is that we're actually moving farther away from the sun. Please elaborate further on this as I am slightly confused as to how this would work. If we move further away from the sun at sunset, how do we move back at sunrise?
Thanks guys.
They don't care about gravity. They praise the Acceleration which means the Earth, sun, moon, etc is accelerating upwards constantly.
Don't be surprised if you get an inappropriate response from them.
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So, if gravity doesn't exist, then neither does weight measured in pounds? After all, weight is the gravitational pull of your body mass to the earth. We weigh nothing? Lb. variation doesn't exist? If we are all flying upward, what causes this? There are clear explanations for the earth, moon, ect. gravitational pull toward the sun, but none for the acceleration upward. More elabortion please.
uh.
You guys also say it's all a government conspiracy. A WORLDWIDE government conspiracy. If the disarray of our world, aka war, exists, then clearly this WORLDWIDE government conspiracy does not.
Why, now? Because no one would die for their country just to make a conspiracy more plausible. Oh, wait, the 1,000's of soldiers dying don't know about this conspiracy, only TEH SUPAR 1337 OFFICIALS DO, right? There are not enough sick people in power for this to work. One country would stab another's back and unmask the conspiracy, blame it on the other country, and life moves on.
Our minds don't work in unity with our enemies like that.
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Oh sure gravity exists according to them, but it's a pseudo force (they say). ::)
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Flat Earthers are not scientists. At best they are pseudoscientists.
No-one who assesses the evidence and comes to the conclusion the Earth is flat is a scientist. A conspiracy nut yes, a fool maybe, but not a scientist.
They're just believers really.
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Yep. I have given many allegories about that.
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GRAVITY IS A PSEUDO FORCE EVEN IN THE RE! IT DOES NOT EXIST AS A FORCE! GOOD LORD CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT DO SOME RESEARCH?!?!
Now, the FE does not have a gravitational field, and the gravitation we experience is due to the acceleration of the earth.
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Sure it doesn't.
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Sure it doesn't.
Have you bothered to look it up?
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I have.
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And you still believe that gravity is a force? ???
You must think you are smarter than Einstein.
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Have you studied anti-gravity?
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Have you studied anti-gravity?
Why would I?
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That explains it all.
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So...you're smarter than Einstein? I have a real hard time believing that.
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Gravity can also be a conservative force.
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or neocon.
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Gravity can also be a conservative force.
Gravitation has an associated potential energy. So what?
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Now it's my turn to ask, have you bothered to look this up?
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Now it's my turn to ask, have you bothered to look this up?
Yes.
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I expected a better response than that, hence what was asked in my previous post.
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Akira, you are talking to another cinder block.
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Yes, it's quite fascinating, really.
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It's potential energy. What do you want me to say about it? Why can't you look it up and read about it? What response do you want?
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Do you know anything about the black hole or neutron star?
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Yes. If you want a better response, ask a less general question.
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So you're saying you know them, but you don't think that gravitational field exists. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Of course gravitational fields exist.
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That's good to know you said that. Atleast you're still a bit on track.
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That's good to know you said that.
I don't remember anyone saying otherwise.
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That's good to know you said that.
I don't remember anyone saying otherwise.
Maybe you should view more posts from people in this forum. I won't do that for you.
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You can't provide evidence. Shocking.
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You can't provide evidence. Shocking.
After all, you are the Global Moderator. You shouldn't ask me for logs. I'm sure you can find it yourself.
What's shocking is, you cannot provide evidence that the government and NASA is behind this whole conspiracy (as to your assumptions), nor can you provide just one scientific evidence that the Earth is Flat which contradicts with the RE Model. Just one evidence that contradicts with our model and is possibly correct.
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And he won't, either.
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You can't provide evidence. Shocking.
After all, you are the Global Moderator. You shouldn't ask me for logs. I'm sure you can find it yourself.
Why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?
No FE'er has denied that gravitation exists.
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http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/foobar/
narcberry won't tell me why this experiment's faulty, so I really would like to see what you think of it, TheEngineer.
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Narcberry is, um, special.
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So would you do me a huuuuge favor and look that over? If you are who you say you are, which I have no reason to doubt yet, then you should have a far larger understanding of physics than myself and your input would be most good. ^_^
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You can't provide evidence. Shocking.
Nether can you about this FE shit. the ice wall have you ever seen it? if the pictrues that NASA photoshopped in the past are fake how do you know the Earth is flat? why cant it be a square? or or why can't it be a triangle? WTF is wrong with you people you ask for evidence yet you have none to back up your FE shit? its all theories or you pulled it out your asses. -.-"
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LOLercoasters
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A bit special or retarded?
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If nasa used all of this money to actually put it into photoshopping the earth, why have astronauts died?
Do you think they just kill them off to make this ridiculous theory more plausible? No, I don't think so. If the pictures of earth are inaccurate, then are world maps inaccurate as well? Are the shapes of the continents, ect. not the same?
How on this (not)flat earth would we ever know???? D:
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If nasa used all of this money to actually put it into photoshopping the earth, why have astronauts died?
Amusingly enough, the more astronauts who die, the more billions NASA can justify spending on researching "safety mechanisms" for future Shuttle missions.
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If nasa used all of this money to actually put it into photoshopping the earth, why have astronauts died?
Amusingly enough, the more astronauts who die, the more billions NASA can justify spending on researching "safety mechanisms" for future Shuttle missions.
Great, so they were murdered privately and in public it was otherwise? More crazy accusations from Tom towards NASA.
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Oh and Akira, here is something that I happened to stumble upon, ironically enough, from the guy who said that no one ever said gravity didn't exist (Did that make any sense)
Copied from narc's thread "Which Way is Up"
It's called "gravity" (I know, I know, gravity doesn't exist on FE, but it does on RE).
It sure doesn't.
And Tom:
You missed my point. DO. YOU. REALLY. THINK. THEY. WOULD. KILL. OFF. PEOPLE. FOR. MEANS. OF. MAKING. THE. CONSPIRACY. MORE. PLAUSIBLE?
No, they wouldn't. WHY? Because someone would stop them. Oh wait, the government won't because they want these deaths for the conspiracy, right? No. Wrong. WHY? Because your little theory would spread into law, and every aspect of law. Which spreads into all of those little courts dotted about the country, and law school, and the list goes on. Basically, since this conspiracy HAD to have been going on since the beginning of time or supposedly when the greeks found out, SOMEONE out of the billions of people who have lived and died between now and 300 BC, would have spilled this secret. WHY? Because that is how human nature works.
Your theory is screwed, basically. In more ways than just 1,000.
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Well said. But he knows that, and is merely toying with you. This forum is his entertainment. He doesn't believe in his words to us all, anymore than we do. It's all a game.
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Oh and Akira, here is something that I happened to stumble upon, ironically enough, from the guy who said that no one ever said gravity didn't exist (Did that make any sense)
Copied from narc's thread "Which Way is Up"
It's called "gravity" (I know, I know, gravity doesn't exist on FE, but it does on RE).
It sure doesn't.
You have the quote wrong. I said no one ever said gravitation didn't exist. I, along with Einstein and just about every physicist in the world, hold that gravity as a force does not exist.
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http://www.fourmilab.ch/gravitation/foobar/
narcberry won't tell me why this experiment's faulty, so I really would like to see what you think of it, TheEngineer.
There seems to me, to be some unexplainable things going on in the experiments. The second video shows a large return of the balance after it contacts the weights. Just from looking at the video and using an estimate of the angle and time using the stamp on the video, I've made a liberal estimate of the velocity when it makes contact with the weights. This will result in a certain kinetic energy at the moment of impact. Assuming a perfectly elastic collision (again, very liberal), the total energy must be conserved, so that the potential energy gained by the masses must equal the kinetic energy. Using a simple equation, I've found the gravitational attraction of the weights and masses. Using the kinetic energy as the maximum potential energy and solving for the distance that the mass can travel, I've found the rebound angle to be 0.126 degrees, not the nearly 30 that is shown in the video. However, there is also a water brake which should damp this small movement, making the video highly suspect.
Now, as I have said, I've made assumptions and simplifications (as it's late, I'm tired and I'm not getting paid for this), and those have been on the larger side of things.
Perhaps I will do an in depth analysis of this if I get bored.
BTW, it is stated on Wiki:
Bending Spacetime in the Basement (do-it-yourself Cavendish apparatus - appears to be seriously flawed[1])
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I said no one ever said gravitation didn't exist. I, along with Einstein and just about every physicist in the world, hold that gravity as a force does not exist.
So along with Einstein, you should have not questioned whether the earth is round or not. You are, indeed, using his theories into the FE model.
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Why not? You question him all the time when you say gravity exists. Yet, you believe in the RE.
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Am I you? that looks at Einstein as an idol? Nope. If Einstein didn't think the earth would be a spherical shape, he would've said otherwise with legitimate explanations and worthy experiments. But you're like "Oh I love him and his theories, he's always right, but I won't follow him when he thinks the Earth is round, although I learn everything from him OMGZ"
*Bump*
Owned
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Why do you disagree with Einstein? Do you believe you are smarter than him?
*Bump*
Owned
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Why do you disagree with Einstein? Do you believe you are smarter than him?
*Bump*
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I totally agree with him, especially the part where he didn't think the Earth is flat. He was ok with the universal fact that the Earth is spherical.
*2x Bump*
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But you said that gravity exists, whereas Einstein says it does not.
Owned
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But you said that gravity exists, whereas Einstein says it does not.
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I told you what I think exists, gravity as an conservative force is one, and the other is pseudo-force. I never said "pseudo-force" is is nonsense. but you? You totally agree with only his words and not others, you don't like to be knowledgeable from different trustworthy sources, and now you end up in contradictions. You love and believe Einstein = Yes, you agree on what he agrees most = No.
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Off topic: I'm gonna go now and watch a movie. See you tonight, I'm looking forward to see your cute responses.
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Thank you, TheEngineer, for taking the time to do that.
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The experiment is only flawed on timing? From what I've read you can still perform the experiment and still see results, it would just take longer....so do masses attract or not?
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The experiment is only flawed on timing? From what I've read you can still perform the experiment and still see results, it would just take longer....so do masses attract or not?
I thought you wanted my take on that site specifically. Yes, there is an acceleration between masses that we know as gravitation. Whether or not this is universal, is the question.
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Oh, I see. Is it not enough to do this experiment with many different items found on Earth with different properties to see if it still holds true? Sure this wouldn't show that it's true in the whole Universe but it would at least show that it's true on Earth wouldn't it?