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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 05:58:10 AM

Title: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 05:58:10 AM
I quote this from the FAQ:''Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead''


The International Space Station is visible with a telescope.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on April 03, 2007, 06:08:32 AM
just wait for the cries of 'CONSPIRACY!' I don't know maybe the telescope manufacturers are a part of the conspiracy, the satelite is hung from a wire stretched from 2 REALLY big poles....
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Nicolae Carpathia on April 03, 2007, 06:34:22 AM
Yeah man, it is a conspiracy. They....ehm...(Think, come on, something idiotic, think)

ehm.....Yeah, the government, paid the telescope companies to make the telescopes so that you see the ISS through them and satellites too. (yeah, that works)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 06:36:10 AM
Oh that clears up everything, thank you for such a marvelous explanation, how was I so blind not to see that...(sarcasm)

But for real now, is there anyone who believes in FE that can explain this? TheEngineer maybe? Or Tom Bishop?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Nicolae Carpathia on April 03, 2007, 06:47:42 AM
Oh that clears up everything, thank you for such a marvelous explanation, how was I so blind not to see that...(sarcasm)

But for real now, is there anyone who believes in FE that can explain this? TheEngineer maybe? Or Tom Bishop?
Probably they'll just say, "I haven't seen that".
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 06:50:34 AM
Oh that clears up everything, thank you for such a marvelous explanation, how was I so blind not to see that...(sarcasm)

But for real now, is there anyone who believes in FE that can explain this? TheEngineer maybe? Or Tom Bishop?
Probably they'll just say, "I haven't seen that".

I was expecting something like that, but I don't think it will happen now you mentioned it.I expect something original now ;)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: akira on April 03, 2007, 06:51:33 AM
There is no way they can explain or argue by giving coherent premises to an satisfying conclusion that RE'ers need to hear.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 07:08:48 AM
There is nothing they can say. The ISS can be seen by a telescope.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 07:54:42 AM
Orbit is not possible, so the ISS is not what you think it is.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 08:01:14 AM
Orbit is not possible, so the ISS is not what you think it is.

Hahaha, that was really original.

So, what is it then?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 08:11:18 AM
What's funny, exactly?

Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 08:13:20 AM
Well, the explanation was(ISS isn't what we think it is---that is just insufficient for an answer)

Quit stalling and answer the question
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 08:27:12 AM
Orbit is not possible, so the ISS is not what you think it is.
what it is then?  A balloon that happens to be moving really freaking fast in a known orbit? 

I still have this pic in my favorites.
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg (http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Mr. Ireland on April 03, 2007, 08:36:58 AM
It must be a ballon that is simply following the waves of the atmosphere with a giant station hanging below it.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 08:37:34 AM
I am waiting
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Nicolae Carpathia on April 03, 2007, 09:21:56 AM
Wait a minute, what is that yellow thing?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 09:23:54 AM
An unripe orange?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 03, 2007, 09:58:01 AM
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I still have this pic in my favorites.
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg

The ISS looks like a solar powered ridged structure filled with helium to me. Not all airships are round.

Just like the Geostationary Banana over Texas (http://www.geostationarybananaovertexas.com/en.html).
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: DakaSha on April 03, 2007, 10:04:27 AM
yeah but mabye its just a space station
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 03, 2007, 10:06:48 AM
yeah but mabye its just a space station

Too bad sustained space travel is impossible.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: DakaSha on April 03, 2007, 10:42:05 AM
yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 03, 2007, 10:44:03 AM
yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe

The Flat Earth Society seems to think its possible.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Flat Earth Master Mint on April 03, 2007, 10:45:13 AM
Too bad sustained space travel is impossible.
Why do you believe that it is impossible?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: DakaSha on April 03, 2007, 10:52:36 AM
yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe

The Flat Earth Society seems to think its possible.

yes but thats the same as saying that some people believe in the gigantic (sorry flying :D ) spaghetti monster who created the universe as we know it.

although as far as i know even they think the world is round


edit: and yes i know its a joke but its still the same principle
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 11:00:20 AM
yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe

The Flat Earth Society seems to think its possible.

And thats why you have been listed on wikipedia as an example of congritive disorder(true believer sindrome).But nevermind that now.

The definition of ISS is still not good enough.

There are other satelites visible with the telescope(sometimes even with a naked eye you can see them).Are they all powered ridged structure(s) filled with helium too?
http://www.heavenscape.com/iss.gif

And why is ISS sometimes visible and sometimes not?

Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 11:13:08 AM
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I still have this pic in my favorites.
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg

The ISS looks like a solar powered ridged structure filled with helium to me. Not all airships are round.

Just like the Geostationary Banana over Texas (http://www.geostationarybananaovertexas.com/en.html).

So you are saying that the banana and the ISS are basically the same.Thats just absurd.Besides,the banana is visible day and night, and ISS has periods of visibility and is visible only by night.

The ISS and that banana have absolutely no link whatsoever.
You fail.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 11:24:25 AM
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I still have this pic in my favorites.
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg

The ISS looks like a solar powered ridged structure filled with helium to me. Not all airships are round.

Just like the Geostationary Banana over Texas (http://www.geostationarybananaovertexas.com/en.html).
Lol the banana link again.  You no that is fake, right?  How would a thing that floats be able to travel at very high speeds in a known orbit?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Flat Earth Master Mint on April 03, 2007, 11:34:42 AM
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I still have this pic in my favorites.
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg

The ISS looks like a solar powered ridged structure filled with helium to me. Not all airships are round.

Just like the Geostationary Banana over Texas (http://www.geostationarybananaovertexas.com/en.html).
Lol the banana link again.  You no that is fake, right?  How would a thing that floats be able to travel at very high speeds in a known orbit?
Oh dear god, that is the worst photoshopping I've ever seen in my life.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 03, 2007, 11:36:39 AM
As I said. FE's fail to explain.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Mr. Ireland on April 03, 2007, 02:17:12 PM
yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe

The Flat Earth Society seems to think its possible.

It's it's Tom, not its.  Your theory is wrong because you made a grammatical mistake!
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 02:24:51 PM
yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe

The Flat Earth Society seems to think its possible.

And thats why you have been listed on wikipedia as an example of congritive disorder(true believer sindrome).But nevermind that now.
"And thats why the defendant is a homosexualistic raving lunatic.. withdrawn your honor!"
Can you get over the wiki links. I can go in and edit wiki and add your name to the list. How does that make it in any way a valid source?

The definition of ISS is still not good enough.
So the few active proponents here aren't quick enough to explain a multi-trillion dollar government's conspiracy quick enough? You realize the funding they have can spend you into the prehistoric ages. And actually the definition is good enough. Why couldn't the ISS be a helium baloon with solar panels? I go further.

The ISS is actually 2 objects.
Object 1: The ISS observeable in the sky. This is likely a helium balloon used for high altitude experiments. It has solar panels to feed its array of power needs. Additionally it has a giant lens attached to the undercarriage. This lens gives the optical illusion that the balloon is at a higher altitude that it actually is.

Object 2: The ISS film studio for press releases. This is a Boeing 747 that flies out of Texas. It is used to film zero gravity footage for the press.

He have held for quite some time that the government is involved in a very large conspiracy to keep certain aspects of a flat earth hidden from us. I do not see a problem with a government that spends over 3 billion dollars annually on software projects with no stated goal, that would also spend millions on a strategy that has a very important goal.

There are other satelites visible with the telescope(sometimes even with a naked eye you can see them).Are they all powered ridged structure(s) filled with helium too?
http://www.heavenscape.com/iss.gif

And why is ISS sometimes visible and sometimes not?
Yes it is likely they are all helium balloons. If the government is successful with one, why would they not continue with many more? It's more than possible, its very likely.

As to why it is visible sometimes and others not, where are you getting this? First you say it must be a satelite because its visible, then you say you sometimes cant see it. Let me guess, it's visible when you have 4 hours to spend in a photoshop session, and not visible when we ask you to demonstrate that you can see it?

So I ask you, is the ISS visible or is it not?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 03, 2007, 04:41:33 PM
And yet it's been up there for how long?  How long can a helium-filled balloon stay in the air before it falls back to the ground?

It's not the ISS that's filled with hot air...
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 05:02:44 PM
And yet it's been up there for how long?  How long can a helium-filled balloon stay in the air before it falls back to the ground?

It's not the ISS that's filled with hot air...

Yeah, I said a helium balloon from your local party store. balloons only fall after helium has leaked through their semi-permeable surface. If the balloon does not leak air, it will not fall back to earth.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 05:22:47 PM
The ISS has a set orbit.  That’s why that guy in France took a picture of it in front of the sun.  I was predicted it would be there.  And you know what, it was.  No light ass helium balloon will move as fast as the ISS.  The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 03, 2007, 05:30:17 PM
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A lens that makes it look farther away than it actually is?

 Shocked

W... T... F... That is the stupidest this I have ever heard in my life. And no "balloon" has a surfae that is totally impermeable to the helium trying to get out.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 06:09:54 PM
The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   
And?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:17:20 PM
The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   
And?
And its moving really freaking fast which it couldn't do in a flat earth unless there were magical forces.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 03, 2007, 06:24:21 PM
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A lens that makes it look farther away than it actually is?

 :o

A lens isn't necessary. All methods to calulate distance from an object in space are based of triangulation with two distant points on the earth. Assuming a Round Earth the ISS would seem farther away from sea level. On a Flat Earth the ISS would seem closer to sea-level.

It would be very hard to tell how far away the ISS actually it.

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No light ass helium balloon will move as fast as the ISS.


How do you know how fast the ISS is moving? Have you clocked it yourself?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 06:26:00 PM
The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   
And?
And its moving really freaking fast which it couldn't do in a flat earth unless there were magical forces.
Since when is thrust magical?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:30:16 PM
The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   
And?
And its moving really freaking fast which it couldn't do in a flat earth unless there were magical forces.
Since when is thrust magical?

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?  The correct answer is gravitation cause angular acceleration, the word you like. 

Tom the space station is traveling at around 27,743.8 km/h (17,239.2 mi/h).  According to narcberry  I don't have to measure it.   
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 07:09:08 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 07:24:58 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.
And how do they do that? 
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 08:32:46 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.
And how do they do that? 
Solar panels collect energy. If you take some wires, and use a little brain power; you can power something like a fan. This fan will blow air. By changing the momentum of the air (air has mass), you can cause a force in the opposite direction. This crazy science has been used for things such as other aircraft, boats, or even fans.

We should have some sort of elementary education system for round-earthers. You know, something like public school except we focus more on results and less on teachers wages.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 08:50:47 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.
And how do they do that? 
Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 09:44:51 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.
And how do they do that? 
Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.
Answer the question.  Does it turn a propeller?  Even though there is no air?   
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 05:48:13 AM
As to why it is visible sometimes and others not, where are you getting this? First you say it must be a satelite because its visible, then you say you sometimes cant see it. Let me guess, it's visible when you have 4 hours to spend in a photoshop session, and not visible when we ask you to demonstrate that you can see it?

So I ask you, is the ISS visible or is it not?

What I ment is it is not visible in all countries at the same time.

This is a quote:''To observe the ISS, you must first determine whether it may indeed be viewed from your latitude. This depends on its orbital inclination and altitude as well as size, ability to reflect sunlight, etc. In general, the lower the orbital altitude, the more visible an object will be to the naked eye.

The ISS may be viewed from all locations falling within its 51.6o N to 51.6o S orbital track. However, it is not only the inclination that determines the latitudes at which the ISS may be viewed. The visibility of an orbiting object depends on both inclination and orbiting altitude (as well as size and ability to reflect sunlight, etc.).

The ISS orbits at approximately 400 km above the surface of the Earth. For objects in such low Earth orbit, there is still about a 15o window of corresponding latitude above the orbital inclination in which the orbiting object may be seen above the horizon. So, even observers to about 65o N or 65o S will be able to view the ISS.''

Also,related to the conspiracy issue:When you share a secret with someone you say it to 1-2 people max(probably just your best friend).If you tell it to 10 friends there is a possibility that someone will tell it to someone else and so on...
Now, you have a situation where thousands of people know the truth, but are forced to keep their mouth shut(sailors, pilots, people who ''built the helium satelites'', people who ''know that rocket launchings are fake'' scientists who made that tehnology possible, people in the goverment, people who make ''fake pictures'' of round earth.I mean, a conspiracy can't be possible.The cost of hiding it would exceed the money they would possibly gain.And atleast someone who saw the ice wall would speak up, not everyone can be bribed.

Take the UFO conspiracy as example.They atleast have thousands of witnesses and even people in the military who claim they witnessed UFO's and they were under orders not to speak about it.

How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 05:50:47 AM
Can you get over the wiki links. I can go in and edit wiki and add your name to the list. How does that make it in any way a valid source?


I can go and make my own webpage about anything, write my own book, run my own tv show. How does that make any source of information valid?
That makes all the religion books not valid too, cause anyone could of write them.Meaning, the only valid source of information is:
1) science
2) if you stick your nose in it

And I don't think so.I am a Christian and I have trust in people.


And about satelites, there are numerous (scientific) books and articels where all the parts and tehnology are explained in details,  meaning that the tehnology does exist.

Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
Can you get over the wiki links. I can go in and edit wiki and add your name to the list. How does that make it in any way a valid source?


I can go and make my own webpage about anything, write my own book, run my own tv show. How does that make any source of information valid?
That makes all the religion books not valid too, cause anyone could of write them.Meaning, the only valid source of information is:
1) science
2) if you stick your nose in it

And I don't think so.I am a Christian and I have trust in people.


And about satelites, there are numerous (scientific) books and articels where all the parts and tehnology are explained in details,  meaning that the tehnology does exist.

Making your own community to believe in something, of course, will not make your ideas valid. However, it WILL bring the burden of proof to your guests.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2007, 09:27:49 AM
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How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

James Clark Ross did a while ago.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Flat Earth Master Mint on April 04, 2007, 09:33:08 AM
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How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

James Clark Ross did a while ago.
He was involved arctic/anarctic expeditions. That by itself doesn't really prove anything.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 12:10:15 PM
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How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

James Clark Ross did a while ago.

One man.Awesome.

In 500 years 1 man said something about it. And what exactly did he say?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2007, 12:41:50 PM
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Take the UFO conspiracy as example.They atleast have thousands of witnesses and even people in the military who claim they witnessed UFO's and they were under orders not to speak about it.

There's a difference between a housewife seeing something bright fly across the sky from her kitchen window and a housewife donning snow gear and trekking across the Ice Wall.

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One man.Awesome.

Actually, we have several hundred reports of the Ice Wall. Do a Google Image Search for 'Antarctica' or "Ross Ice Shelf' if you would like to see pictures of the Ice Wall.

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In 500 years 1 man said something about it. And what exactly did he say?

He said it looked like a perpetual wall of ice stretching in every direction.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 12:45:36 PM
What he saw was Antarctica.So what?Antarctica exists.And if there was a wall of ice there, big deal.Antarctica is made from ice.

How about someone who saw a ice wall west of USA, or east of Japan?I would really like to see that happen.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2007, 12:52:13 PM
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What he saw was Antarctica.So what?Antarctica exists.And if there was a wall of ice there, big deal.Antarctica is made from ice.

What you know as Antarctica is what we know as the Ice Wall. It does not exist as a continent.

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How about someone who saw a ice wall west of USA, or east of Japan?I would really like to see that happen.

It wouldn't happen, because the directions of East and West are curved. One can only visit the Ice Wall by traveling South.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 12:53:37 PM
You're telling me you can't get east all the way to the ice wall?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
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Take the UFO conspiracy as example.They atleast have thousands of witnesses and even people in the military who claim they witnessed UFO's and they were under orders not to speak about it.

There's a difference between a housewife seeing something bright fly across the sky from her kitchen window and a housewife donning snow gear and trekking across the Ice Wall.

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One man.Awesome.

Actually, we have several hundred reports of the Ice Wall. Do a Google Image Search for 'Antarctica' or "Ross Ice Shelf' if you would like to see pictures of the Ice Wall.

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In 500 years 1 man said something about it. And what exactly did he say?


He said it looked like a perpetual wall of ice stretching in every direction.

Way to go Tom, once again using pictures that don't even support your arguement to support your arguement. Also, aren't all images null and void? Hmm? What was that? Did Tom just get Tommed? Oh, and this perpetual wall of ice? Isn't the Ice Wall only so thick? It doesn't stretch in all directions infinitely, as your model would have it if you followed his accounts.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2007, 12:54:55 PM
You're telling me you can't get east all the way to the ice wall?

Nope. (http://i11.tinypic.com/2w2mzr5.png)

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It doesn't stretch in all directions infinitely, as your model would have it if you followed his accounts.

The icy tundra actually does stretch infinitely in the book Earth Not a Globe.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 12:55:47 PM
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What he saw was Antarctica.So what?Antarctica exists.And if there was a wall of ice there, big deal.Antarctica is made from ice.

What you know as Antarctica is what we know as the Ice Wall. It does not exist as a continent.

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How about someone who saw a ice wall west of USA, or east of Japan?I would really like to see that happen.

It wouldn't happen, because the directions of East and West are curved. One can only visit the Ice Wall by traveling South.

So, what does not existing as a continent have to do with the ice wall being there and not just mistaken for an ice shelf?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
You're telling me you can't get east all the way to the ice wall?

Nope. (http://i11.tinypic.com/2w2mzr5.png)
The picture gets me every time.  Thats almost how magnets work, almost.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 12:58:16 PM
We went a bit offtopic.I was talking about the ISS and still didn't have all replies.Why is ISS visible only by night and in some countries? If it is so close it should be visible all day too.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 01:00:41 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

And how do they do that? 
Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.
Answer the question.  Does it turn a propeller?  Even though there is no air?   
I also want this question answered, but The Engineer ran away.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 01:05:18 PM
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It doesn't stretch in all directions infinitely, as your model would have it if you followed his accounts.

The icy tundra actually does stretch infinitely in the book Earth Not a Globe.
Ok, and in present times, where the theory states that a wall ,not infinitly thick, holds the air in (which is impossible, but i won't explain it at this time because I know that the FE'ers want something to attack me with).




 :P
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2007, 01:09:01 PM
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So, what does not existing as a continent have to do with the ice wall being there and not just mistaken for an ice shelf?

It has everything to do with it.

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The picture gets me every time.  Thats almost how magnets work, almost.

The Earth is not a Bar Magnet in either RE or FE. Magnetism comes from the whirling core.

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Why is ISS visible only by night and in some countries? If it is so close it should be visible all day too.

Because the ISS is an airship that resides in the fringes of the atmosphere. During the day it is blotted out by the brightness of the sun. During the night the distant rays of the sun can travel more freely through the thin atmosphere and reflect off the ISS onto far reaches of the earth.

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Ok, and in present times, where the theory states that a wall ,not infinitly thick, holds the air in (which is impossible, but i won't explain it at this time because I know that the FE'ers want something to attack me with).

The air is held in place all around FE by gravitation.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 01:11:24 PM
The pic I posted is a day pick of the spacestation.  It is orbiting 24/7.

Magnets still only have one north and one south. Not one north and 10 south.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 01:12:39 PM
I'm sorry i don't see the pic, where is it?

*Tom Bishop: The tehnology of the ISS is explained to details and there is a complete log of its assembely.You have nothing to proove that tehnology fake. Because it isn't fake.

And how can a helium baloon travel that fast?(17 500 miles per hour--- that is 28 000 km per hour)

Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 01:16:51 PM
Orbit is not possible, so the ISS is not what you think it is.
what it is then?  A balloon that happens to be moving really freaking fast in a known orbit? 

I still have this pic in my favorites.
http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg (http://www.astrosurf.com/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg)
Here you go.  Its a giant pic. 
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 01:19:08 PM
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So, what does not existing as a continent have to do with the ice wall being there and not just mistaken for an ice shelf?

It has everything to do with it.

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Ok, and in present times, where the theory states that a wall ,not infinitly thick, holds the air in (which is impossible, but i won't explain it at this time because I know that the FE'ers want something to attack me with).

The air is held in place all around FE by gravitation.

Care to explain any of the "everything to do with it" in your post?

Oh, and um, let me compose myself here for a minute...


GRAVITY!

Hmm... I just love that sweet smell of contradictory FE statements.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 01:24:38 PM
Wow dude I missed that.  He just changed the FE theory.  The icewall no longer keeps air in, its gravitation. 
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 01:26:32 PM
Wow dude I missed that.  He just changed the FE theory.  The icewall no longer keeps air in, its gravitation. 

He is free to cite any of the many forces that contain our atmosphere: gravitation, the icewall, and surface tension to name just a few.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 01:27:18 PM
This day in history will be marked as Tom Gravity Day from this day forward, in remembrance that Tom was an even more complete moron than he already is.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 01:31:39 PM
This day in history will be marked as Tom Gravity Day from this day forward, in remembrance that Tom was an even more complete moron than he already is.

It would be unswise to accuse someone as a moron when they have contributed and cited more work than you. If you disagree with his ideas, present your rejections in a responsible manner.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 01:33:38 PM
Once again all the work we cite, even from the BC era is a government conspiracy.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 01:34:25 PM
This day in history will be marked as Tom Gravity Day from this day forward, in remembrance that Tom was an even more complete moron than he already is.

It would be unswise to accuse someone as a moron when they have contributed and cited more work than you. If you disagree with his ideas, present your rejections in a responsible manner.

I would but I don't have the time to post responses to thousands of idiodic posts. Also, whenever someone tries to approach these issues, the threads die in a flood of "READ THE BOOK"s and "FAQ STOOPID"s.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 01:39:49 PM
This day in history will be marked as Tom Gravity Day from this day forward, in remembrance that Tom was an even more complete moron than he already is.

It would be unswise to accuse someone as a moron when they have contributed and cited more work than you. If you disagree with his ideas, present your rejections in a responsible manner.

I would but I don't have the time to post responses to thousands of idiodic posts. Also, whenever someone tries to approach these issues, the threads die in a flood of "READ THE BOOK"s and "FAQ STOOPID"s.

So the solution is to contribute to the madness?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 04, 2007, 01:55:08 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   


Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

And how do they do that? 
Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.
Answer the question.  Does it turn a propeller?  Even though there is no air?   
I also want this question answered, but The Engineer ran away.
I didn't answer because I didn't think you were serious.  If there was no air, then what would be the fluid that is denser than the balloon?  Space has a rather low density.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 01:57:20 PM
This day in history will be marked as Tom Gravity Day from this day forward, in remembrance that Tom was an even more complete moron than he already is.

It would be unswise to accuse someone as a moron when they have contributed and cited more work than you. If you disagree with his ideas, present your rejections in a responsible manner.

I would but I don't have the time to post responses to thousands of idiodic posts. Also, whenever someone tries to approach these issues, the threads die in a flood of "READ THE BOOK"s and "FAQ STOOPID"s.

So the solution is to contribute to the madness?

Yes...

Also, what is the point in making posts that try to confront the Tom? All he will do is say "Read the Book..."

Also, I tried to keep that as nice as I could, and it is entirely factual to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 02:00:31 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   



Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.
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And how do they do that? 
Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.
Answer the question.  Does it turn a propeller?  Even though there is no air?   
I also want this question answered, but The Engineer ran away.
I didn't answer because I didn't think you were serious.  If there was no air, then what would be the fluid that is denser than the balloon?  Space has a rather low density.
That would be air, but the spacestation is a tad bit higher then any balloon.  Not to mention solar energy isnt going to get the ballon to 27,000km/h.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 04, 2007, 02:05:01 PM
But you said there was no air for propellers to work in.  If there was no air, then there is no lift, then there is no maintaining of altitude.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: DakaSha on April 04, 2007, 02:10:08 PM
erm
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2007, 02:12:17 PM
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GRAVITY!

Hmm... I just love that sweet smell of contradictory FE statements.

I didn't say Gravity, I said gravitation. There's a difference. Gravity does not exist on FE.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 02:13:20 PM
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GRAVITY!

Hmm... I just love that sweet smell of contradictory FE statements.

I didn't say Gravity, I said gravitation. There's a difference. Gravity does not exist on FE.
What causes this gravitation then?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 02:16:42 PM
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GRAVITY!

Hmm... I just love that sweet smell of contradictory FE statements.

I didn't say Gravity, I said gravitation. There's a difference. Gravity does not exist on FE.
What causes this gravitation then?
Earths acceleration. This is found in many places, use the search please.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ulrichomega on April 04, 2007, 04:10:47 PM
How an the Earth's acceleration keep all of the air from going over the edge.

All of the air wouldn't be stopped by an ice wall who's height doesn't even equal that of some buildings.

The air would simply go over the edge.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Mr. Ireland on April 04, 2007, 04:46:04 PM
How an the Earth's acceleration keep all of the air from going over the edge.

All of the air wouldn't be stopped by an ice wall who's height doesn't even equal that of some buildings.

The air would simply go over the edge.

Yea I've read through an arguement over this, which made TheEngineer look bad to me, since he just kept saying BS, and in the end agreed with what the opposing RE'er was saying, thinking he was the one explaining it to him (Hahaha, nice try).  Someone said something about a big dome that held in the air, and I think this air filled alot of our solar system too.  It was an odd, far out explanation that none of them probably support, but bring up when this question (or statement) comes up.   
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 04, 2007, 05:01:32 PM

Yea I've read through an arguement over this, which made TheEngineer look bad to me, since he just kept saying BS   
What was I saying?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Mr. Ireland on April 04, 2007, 05:06:16 PM

Yea I've read through an arguement over this, which made TheEngineer look bad to me, since he just kept saying BS   
What was I saying?

Sorry I can't remember really, being your statements were rather short most of the time, and really didn't add to anything.  I just remember thinking about how pointless and stupid your comments were.  Not that they are all the time of course (no sarcasm).
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 04, 2007, 05:08:09 PM
Sorry, but none of my posts are stupid (no sarcasm).
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 05:13:32 PM
But you said there was no air for propellers to work in.  If there was no air, then there is no lift, then there is no maintaining of altitude.
And?  Whats your point?  The real ISS still uses angular acceleration to orbit really freaking fast. 
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Mr. Ireland on April 04, 2007, 05:16:21 PM
Sorry, but none of my posts are stupid (no sarcasm).

That's an opinionated statement.  We all have different opinions, so I guess we'll leave it at a difference in opinions.  Agreed?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sturmguy98 on April 04, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
are you saying that the earth streches indefinitly in every direction? because if you are, then ur theory about the stars orbit around is is completely disproved. the stars would all be in the sky above us at all times if that were true, as they could not go below this "infinite tundra". And another thing, if the sun makes small, concentric circles above us, as some of your threads have posted as way of proving day and night, and if you add in your "foglight theory" that the sun can pierce through atoms, then it would be one, indefinate day. (wow that was a long sentence)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Rick_James on April 04, 2007, 09:02:15 PM
Sorry, but none of my posts are stupid (no sarcasm).

That's an opinionated statement.  We all have different opinions, so I guess we'll leave it at a difference in opinions.  Agreed?

I'd have to agree with the Engineer - although his posts are short, they answer the question posed. :)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: FLAT MEANS YOU'RE A CRAZY NUT on April 04, 2007, 09:07:21 PM
No one would benefit from a conspiracy that made people think the world was round....

the EARTH IS ROUND!!!!

duuuuur

maybe you all need some help upstairs....

or maybe...

you all need to get a job, a girl friend, and a life...even if you are too loserish to get a female...you can still find a job...

so do this and I am sure you will leave your treky like fantasy life in the trash and move on and embrace the REAL world...

The Slipknot Freak and CarnageX rule

and you all smell

byyyyyye

thank you that is all
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 04, 2007, 09:13:46 PM

you all need to get a job, a girl friend, and a life...even if you are too loserish to get a female...you can still find a job...


I'm pretty sure my wife would not like me to get a girlfriend.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Rick_James on April 04, 2007, 09:20:35 PM
so do this and I am sure you will leave your treky like fantasy life



Um, pretty sure the Earth was depicted as round in Star Trek. Nice try though.

The Slipknot Freak and CarnageX rule

They most certainly do not
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: sturmguy98 on April 04, 2007, 09:25:18 PM
hey engineer, where do you live that gay marriage is legal?
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: FLAT MEANS YOU'RE A CRAZY NUT on April 04, 2007, 09:26:29 PM
so do this and I am sure you will leave your treky like fantasy life



Um, pretty sure the Earth was depicted as round in Star Trek. Nice try though.

The Slipknot Freak and CarnageX rule

They most certainly do not

ok so you got me on the whole treky thing, maybe that was out of line. I shouldnt bash star trek, I actually like that show...

everything else I said stands though
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: TheEngineer on April 04, 2007, 09:31:15 PM
hey engineer, where do you live that gay marriage is legal?
Gay marriage is not legal where I live.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: FLAT MEANS YOU'RE A CRAZY NUT on April 04, 2007, 09:35:51 PM
thats amazing!

all states should be like that.
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Rick_James on April 04, 2007, 10:13:13 PM
thats amazing!

all states should be like that.


I knew there was a reason I wasn't listening to you. Aside, of course, from every other post you contributed :)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Ambassadork on April 05, 2007, 05:28:05 AM
You mods should have your titles changed. "Global" Moderator? ;)
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on April 05, 2007, 05:38:12 AM
haha the FEers shouldn't like being called a global moderator, it's like a feminist having to use a man-hole.

Call them discal moderators
Title: Re: Space(ISS)
Post by: FLAT MEANS YOU'RE A CRAZY NUT on April 05, 2007, 08:18:37 PM
aww dont be mean to me......

it isnt my fault i just think y'all are dumb for thinking the earth is flat... ::)