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Title: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
The transit of Mercury (or Venus). Please explain how we can view a planet passing between us and the sun if the sun is only 3000 miles away.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/transit/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury

Please provide thought out scientific explanations only. If someone says "optical illusion" because they are too dumb and bullshit to think up anything better on the spot, then expect that we will all treat you as if you are retarded and own this moronic drunken chicken scratch on a bar napkin that you call a theory/belief.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 01:26:07 PM
Mercury and Venus are closer to the earth than the sun. Easy as that.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 15, 2007, 01:35:16 PM
Mercury and Venus are closer to the earth than the sun. Easy as that.

What are the distances of these planets from Earth?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 01:53:51 PM
Mercury and Venus are closer to the earth than the sun. Easy as that.

Size of Mercury = 3031 miles in diameter

Size of Venus = 7522 Miles in Diameter (just a bit smaller then earth)

I dont see what is easy about fitting more then 10,000 miles of spherical mass through a 3000 mile space. When they appear to be tiny dots to the naked eye, that is simply amazing.

In other words...Dum dum dum dum dum
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 01:56:47 PM
Mercury and Venus are closer to the earth than the sun. Easy as that.

Btw. I said to post only real, thought out explanations. Your explanation is the most idiotic i have seen on this site today.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 01:58:29 PM
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Btw. I said to post only real, thought out explanations. Your explanation is the most idiotic i have seen on this site today.

Obviously the planets were misjudged in size and distance like the sun was.

Read Earth Not a Globe and stop posting idiot questions.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 15, 2007, 01:59:59 PM
Oh Tom, give him a proper answer so he'll stop whinging for a bit.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 02:01:37 PM
So how big is Venus and Mercury, Tom?

Are you going to try and top today' stupidest reply, or are you going to choose what is in the mystery box?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 15, 2007, 02:03:18 PM
Good luck getting an answer..

Personally I'd go for whats in the box
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Miss M. on March 15, 2007, 02:05:39 PM
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Btw. I said to post only real, thought out explanations. Your explanation is the most idiotic i have seen on this site today.

Obviously the planets were misjudged in size and distance like the sun was.

Read Earth Not a Globe and stop posting idiot questions.
what if they can't get a copy?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 02:09:07 PM
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Btw. I said to post only real, thought out explanations. Your explanation is the most idiotic i have seen on this site today.

Read Earth Not a Globe and stop posting idiot questions.

No need. Simple mathematics proves that based off what you have just stated, You're the idiot.

http://tom%20bishop.justgotowned.com/
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 02:21:31 PM
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No need. Simple mathematics proves that based off what you have just stated, You're the idiot.

http://tom%20bishop.justgotowned.com/

Which mathematics are these? I don't see any mathematics.

Samuel Birley Robotham has already accurately calculated the figures for Mercury and Venus:

Mercury
Diameter: 1,056 feet
Closest Distance: 1839.6 miles from sea-level

Venus
Diameter: 1,584 feet
Closest Distance: 839 miles from sea-level

Consult Earth Not a Globe (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm) for further details.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 15, 2007, 02:23:12 PM
Tiny planets!
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 02:29:52 PM
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No need. Simple mathematics proves that based off what you have just stated, You're the idiot.

http://tom%20bishop.justgotowned.com/

Which mathematics are these? I don't see any mathematics.

Samuel Birley Robotham has already accurately calculated the figures for Mercury and Venus:

Mercury
Diameter: 1,056 feet
Distance: 1839.6 miles from sea-level

Venus
Diameter: 1,584 feet
Distance: 839 miles from sea-level

Consult Earth Not a Globe (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm) for further details.

and Im so sure you can count with old Robotham's d#ck in your mouth.

Your a real primate. Show your work Tom, prove it. You cant be this dumb. I understand if your getting a kick out of making people think you are jaded enough to believe something so ridiculous, but you don't have to make yourself look like a 10th grade, D averaging moron in the process.

Come on tom, Man up!

http://tom%20bishop.justgotowned.com/
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 02:33:14 PM
I apologize. I know youre just joking. I did not mean to get this mean. I realized when i re read this after my last post.

I know that you are just messing with people and it is a joke to you. I am sorry. I just dont know how to respond to someone who is so bad at putting on his own show.

i would boo and throw trash if this was live.

Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 15, 2007, 02:42:29 PM
How can some crackpot religious zealot from the 1800's calculate the size and distance of objects in space but the greatest minds of the past several 100 years cannot?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 15, 2007, 02:43:58 PM
Through magic?

Sometimes I wonder whether Tom is joking or not..maybe he really does believe it.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 15, 2007, 02:45:31 PM
At least he trys to give answers, I suppose you have to give him some credit for that.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 02:45:52 PM
How can some crackpot religious zealot from the 1800's calculate the size and distance of objects in space but the greatest minds of the past several 100 years cannot?

If you bothered to, oh I don't know, read the book that's linked on here one hundred times a day you'd find out. The full work is available for free online. You don't have to buy it.

Samuel Birley Robotham also predicts Tectonic Shifting over one hundred years before it is discovered.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 02:46:22 PM
Oh, i almost forgot during my belly laughs.


Google search Tom, its pretty simple. Here is a couple link for jr. high students to figure these types of things out.

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/sunearthday/2004/2004images/VT_Activity3.pdf

http://curriculum.calstatela.edu/courses/builders/lessons/less/les1/kepler3_2.html

Small scale for little kids going into science fairs (to scale) http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/exo/model_solsys.html


There you go, big guy. That should be a good start for you. If you need more, check out google dot com. I cant hold your hand forever, sport.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 02:49:03 PM
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Google search Tom, its pretty simple. Here is a couple link for jr. high students to figure these types of things out.

Each of those equations relies on a far away sun. If the distance from the sun changes, the distance from the planets change. You really should read what you post.

Please show me how we can accurately measure the distance between the Earth and Sun and get the Round Earth figure. I've been searching for years and have found no explanation for its size or distance.

By replicating the simple experiment in Chapter 5 of Earth Not a Globe I've followed the steps of Samuel Birley Robotham, coming to the conclusion of a close sun.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 03:02:04 PM
Its triangulation Tom. That's what the links are for, tiger. Simple geometry derived from the data formulated off a each planet's year (full rotation around the sun). This is easy stuff.

Listen, if you dont pay attention is class, you're not going to be allowed to graduate. That means, no senor prom, no senor trip, no class ring...

You're owned little guy. Go fix me a turkey sandwich and study your math. Im not going to be your 9th grade math tutor forever.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 03:13:32 PM
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Its triangulation Tom. That's what the links are for, tiger. Simple geometry derived from the data formulated off a each planet's year (full rotation around the sun). This is easy stuff.

Nope, sorry scum shit.

Each of those estimates are based on the distance between the earth and sun. If it becomes reality that the sun is thrice as far away as we thought, the planets and their orbits become much bigger than we thought. If the sun is closer than we thought, the planets shrink. Every understanding we have about the Solar System all comes down to the distance between the Sun and Earth.

If you cannot show me, or link me to, one piece of evidence that suggests that the sun is 92,955,887.6 miles away then you should stop posting here. You have provided zero evidence for your claims while I have shown you the precise measurements conducted by Samuel Birley Robotham.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 03:34:42 PM
I know it hurts to be wrong Tom, but im not going to stop posting and showing everyone that you think its funny to mess with them. You clearly haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. I mean.....its clear, we all can see this. The math you are quoting is wrong. It wouldnt matter anyway because you dont have the work to show. You are speaking on things you dont understand, you look like a fool.

Triangulation Tom. The numbers in any 5th grade text book fit, Tom. When,......You dont even have numbers. Where are your numbers Tom? show us how everything works with them. Its ok if you cant.....We already know you cant. Im just dragging this out to make an even bigger fool out of you. Your stolen, worshipped, inaccurate math, does not fit. Your science is out of date. Set in place by a tiny group of uninformed attention whores.

I know your line, "Your explanations on gravity are over 500 years old" no tom, we have been learning and gathering data from the jump. We are still learning. Only you are stuck in the old days because you are too ashamed to admit you were hustled into believing a bad idea. Its ok man, you are a sucker. You dont have to be one forever.

The truth about these "scholars" you quote, is that they were just excellent debaters. Salesmen Tom. You got sold on a throwaway concept. Let it go man, we all get taken advantage of in life from time to time. You just are willing to make the world see that its not that you are gullible, you are an idiot.

And now.....You're owned
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 03:38:20 PM
Ive seen tighter rappers on candy bars, Tom.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 15, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
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No need. Simple mathematics proves that based off what you have just stated, You're the idiot.

http://tom%20bishop.justgotowned.com/

Which mathematics are these? I don't see any mathematics.

Samuel Birley Robotham has already accurately calculated the figures for Mercury and Venus:

Mercury
Diameter: 1,056 feet
Closest Distance: 1839.6 miles from sea-level

Venus
Diameter: 1,584 feet
Closest Distance: 839 miles from sea-level

Consult Earth Not a Globe (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm) for further details.

I cant find these figures from your source, but I will continue looking and update later.

Plus, how can we observe these planets between the sun and earth if, according to FE, the sun is approximately 700 miles from Earth?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: sokarul on March 15, 2007, 04:01:42 PM
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Btw. I said to post only real, thought out explanations. Your explanation is the most idiotic i have seen on this site today.

Obviously the planets were misjudged in size and distance like the sun was.

Read Earth Not a Globe and stop posting idiot questions.
STFU you worthless piece of shit.  I am getting tired of this.  YOU ARE NOT AN ASTRONOMER.  You don't know.  The guy that wrote that book was not an astronomer either.  The have ways of proving things size.  Step outside of your micro world and see the universe is freaking huge.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 15, 2007, 04:05:13 PM
The guy also based his entire workings on his religious beliefs, nothing else.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 15, 2007, 04:45:26 PM
You have provided zero evidence for your claims while I have shown you the precise measurements conducted by Samuel Birley Robotham.

His measurements were obtained due to triangulation.  However, he does not state to what degree these measurements are affected by refraction.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 15, 2007, 04:47:05 PM
Its all about how i just son'ed Tom

Face!
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: cmhmp10sd on March 15, 2007, 08:01:14 PM
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2844.0

boom headshot
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: cmhmp10sd on March 15, 2007, 08:10:22 PM
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Google search Tom, its pretty simple. Here is a couple link for jr. high students to figure these types of things out.

Each of those equations relies on a far away sun. If the distance from the sun changes, the distance from the planets change. You really should read what you post.

Please show me how we can accurately measure the distance between the Earth and Sun and get the Round Earth figure. I've been searching for years and have found no explanation for its size or distance.

By replicating the simple experiment in Chapter 5 of Earth Not a Globe I've followed the steps of Samuel Birley Robotham, coming to the conclusion of a close sun.

Let me help you out.  1 AU is very far away.  If its very far away than this argument applies:

If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface.

Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: cmhmp10sd on March 15, 2007, 08:16:34 PM
The calculation of 1 Astronomical Unit = 149 598 000 kilometers aka distance from earth to the sun

http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys445/gettys/venus_ex/venus_ex.html

And the history

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/sunearthday/2004/vt_edu2004_venus_back_his.htm

Where its all from

http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/antwoorden/planeten.html#v439
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 08:19:48 PM
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If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface.

You're not going to bring this society down that easily.

First you will have to prove that shadow lengths vary in such a manner as to imply a spherical earth. Then you will have to supply video demonstrations, as well as mathematical proofs. You will have to create a hypothesis and produce experiments to confirm your hypothesis. You can't simply link us to a NASA website, you will need to show us.

As a constraint you will need to have a Flat Earth Proponent or neutral party double check your results every step of the way to ensure that false data is not being contrived out of spite. Only after that will we maybe think about considering your argument. Otherwise, you can get out.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 08:24:58 PM
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The calculation of 1 Astronomical Unit = 149 598 000 kilometers aka distance from earth to the sun

http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys445/gettys/venus_ex/venus_ex.html

This link assumes that the Sun has a diameter of 870,000 miles to get those results. It also assumes that Venus is a sizable planet located midway between the Earth and Sun.

Assumptions, assumptions.

Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: cmhmp10sd on March 15, 2007, 08:27:34 PM
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If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface.

You're not going to bring this society down that easily.

First you will have to prove that shadow lengths vary in such a manner as to imply a spherical earth. Then you will have to supply video demonstrations, as well as mathematical proofs. You will have to create a hypothesis and produce experiments to confirm your hypothesis. You can't simply link us to a NASA website, you will need to show us.

As a constraint you will need to have a Flat Earth Proponent or neutral party double check your results every step of the way to ensure that false data is not being contrived out of spite. Only after that will we maybe think about considering your argument. Otherwise, you can get out.

lol

http://www.grecoreport.com/eratosthenes.htm
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 08:33:20 PM
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lol

http://www.grecoreport.com/eratosthenes.htm

Eratosthenes's measurements were accurate, but he assumed that the earth was spherical and the sun was infinitely far away.

One can discover the origin of the distance of the 3,000 mile distant sun by doing a little geometry and starting from a Flat Earth presumption. Eratosthenes assumed that the sun was effectively infinitely far away (or at least so far compared to the earth's size that the actual distance didn't matter). Then he calculated the diameter of the earth using a second assumption: that the earth was spherical.

But suppose we abandon Eratosthenes' two assumptions, and adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat. Then, triangulation from the same data gives the distance to the sun: 3000 miles! See how a simple change of assumptions can drastically alter the entire cosmos?

(http://i18.tinypic.com/2mnexk7.gif)
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: The Communist on March 15, 2007, 08:49:26 PM
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lol

http://www.grecoreport.com/eratosthenes.htm

Eratosthenes's measurements were accurate, but he assumed that the earth was spherical and the sun was infinitely far away.

One can discover the origin of the distance of the 3,000 mile distant sun by doing a little geometry and starting from a Flat Earth presumption. Eratosthenes assumed that the sun was effectively infinitely far away (or at least so far compared to the earth's size that the actual distance didn't matter). Then he calculated the diameter of the earth using a second assumption: that the earth was spherical.

But suppose you abandon Eratosthenes' two assumptions, and adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat. Then, triangulation from the same data gives the distance to the sun: 3000 miles! See how a simple change of assumptions can drastically alter the entire cosmos?

(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flat1.gif)

Where's the source to that pic.  Also Rowbo proved its 700 miles, not 3000.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: rolli on March 15, 2007, 08:56:52 PM
They all seem to have disagreeing theories.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 15, 2007, 09:06:01 PM
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lol

http://www.grecoreport.com/eratosthenes.htm

Eratosthenes's measurements were accurate, but he assumed that the earth was spherical and the sun was infinitely far away.

One can discover the origin of the distance of the 3,000 mile distant sun by doing a little geometry and starting from a Flat Earth presumption. Eratosthenes assumed that the sun was effectively infinitely far away (or at least so far compared to the earth's size that the actual distance didn't matter). Then he calculated the diameter of the earth using a second assumption: that the earth was spherical.

But suppose you abandon Eratosthenes' two assumptions, and adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat. Then, triangulation from the same data gives the distance to the sun: 3000 miles! See how a simple change of assumptions can drastically alter the entire cosmos?

(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flat1.gif)

Where's the source to that pic.  Also Rowbo proved its 700 miles, not 3000.

I as well cannot find the source to that data.  Plus, you cannot, "adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat."  Also, you did not include how refraction could alterthose results shown in your picture.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 09:06:32 PM
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Where's the source to that pic.

Look up Eratosthenes' equation for determining the distance of the sun to the earth. Use this equation with the presupposition of a Flat Earth. The result come out to exactly 3,000 miles.

Finally, the angular size of the sun is 0.5°. Using this fact with a distance to the sun of 3000 miles, gives the sun's diameter: 32 miles.

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Also Rowbo proved its 700 miles, not 3000.

The book on the sacred-texts website is an old edition. Robotham later revised his figures to 3000 miles, the one currently accepted by Flat Earthers and the FAQ.

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I as well cannot find the source to that data.  Plus, you cannot, "adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat."  Also, you did not include how refraction could alterthose results shown in your picture.

Eratosthenes measured that shadows in Alexandria on that day were about 1/50th of a circle. Eratosthenes multiplies by 360 degrees in his calculations, presuming that the earth is round.

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refraction could alterthose results shown in your picture.

There is no refraction when measuring shadows.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 15, 2007, 09:29:23 PM
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Where's the source to that pic.

Look up Eratosthenes' equation for determining the distance of the sun to the earth. Use this equation with the presupposition of a Flat Earth. The result come out to exactly 3,000 miles.

Finally, the angular size of the sun is 0.5°. Using this fact with a distance to the sun of 3000 miles, gives the sun's diameter: 32 miles.

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Also Rowbo proved its 700 miles, not 3000.

The book on the sacred-texts website is an old edition. Robotham later revised his figures to 3000 miles, the one currently accepted by Flat Earthers and the FAQ.

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I as well cannot find the source to that data.  Plus, you cannot, "adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat."  Also, you did not include how refraction could alterthose results shown in your picture.

Eratosthenes divides by 360 degrees in his calculations, presuming that the earth is round.

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refraction could alterthose results shown in your picture.

There is no refraction when measuring shadows.

Since Syrene to Alexandria is about 5000 stadia and 1 stadion is 185m then the distance is about 925km.  Now if i divide 925km by the tangent of 7.2 degrees (or 1/50 of a circle), I get 3,958km or 2,412 miles, not 3000 miles.  Also, how did Rowbotham produce his erroneous result if he performed the same method that you determined: triangulation of the sun and two points?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2007, 09:55:37 PM
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Since Syrene to Alexandria is about 5000 stadia and 1 stadion is 185m then the distance is about 925km.  Now if i divide 925km by the tangent of 7.2 degrees (or 1/50 of a circle), I get 3,958km or 2,412 miles, not 3000 miles.  Also, how did Rowbotham produce his erroneous result if he performed the same method that you determined: triangulation of the sun and two points?

"Stradia" as a different measurement depending on the source you look at. It's an ancient measurement that has become lost in translation. Oxford Dictionary defines one stradia as 200m.


Plug in 200m for one stradia and see what you get.

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Also, how did Rowbotham produce his erroneous result if he performed the same method that you determined: triangulation of the sun and two points?

After the first edition of Earth Not a Globe was published it became apparent to Flat Earth Proponents that the Sun's distance of 700 miles was hard to reconcile with Robotham's value for its diameter. After careful recalculation, Robotham revised the figure to 3,000 miles. This later value of 3,000 miles was tested and confirmed as accurate by the Flat Earth Society. The figure of 3,000 miles is the figure reflected in later Flat Earth Literature.

It's unclear why Robotham's original calculation was erroneous.

Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 16, 2007, 02:04:35 AM
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If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface.

You're not going to bring this society down that easily.

First you will have to prove that shadow lengths vary in such a manner as to imply a spherical earth. Then you will have to supply video demonstrations, as well as mathematical proofs. You will have to create a hypothesis and produce experiments to confirm your hypothesis. You can't simply link us to a NASA website, you will need to show us.

As a constraint you will need to have a Flat Earth Proponent or neutral party double check your results every step of the way to ensure that false data is not being contrived out of spite. Only after that will we maybe think about considering your argument. Otherwise, you can get out.

Did a Round Earth Proponent or neutral party double check Rowbowthams (or however you spell his name, cannae remember) results every step of the way?

(genuine question, I havent read the book yet so I dunno)
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 16, 2007, 09:08:31 AM
I have produced an error in the results.  If I devided 925km by tan of 7.2 degrees I get 7,322km or 4,497 miles.  Using your 200m value I obtain 1,000km Syrene-Alexandria distance, which divided by tan of 7.2 degrees, I obtain 7,916km or 4,861 miles. thus the 185m to 200m vlue estimate for a stadiom has to be way off for the distance of the sun to earth to be 3,000 miles.

Also, refraction can alter your results since the light from the sun passes through a medium of the atmosphere thus bending light.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 16, 2007, 09:31:47 AM
Should have choose the mystery box Tom, Because your getting son'ed all over this thread. Dont you get tired of making yourself look stupid?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 16, 2007, 12:06:41 PM
Can any FEer research Rowbotham's discrepancies to figure out why he produced his first error.

EDIT: The 3,000 mile distance is only obtainable when a stadium is 123m, a very significant difference compared to the estimated 180m.  Explain this huge dicrepancy, Tom.  How can our estimate be off by 32 - 39% (regarding the 180m and 200m values).

EDIT: I also seen from other sources taht s stadium is 160m due to the fact that the actual distance from Cyrene and Alexandria is approxciamtely 500 miles.  Using the 500 mile distance, and disregarding how much is a stadium, the distance from the sun to earth is calculated to be 3,958 miles.  How is this 3,000 mile calculation obtained?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: YL Groper on March 16, 2007, 12:27:55 PM
Can any FEer research Rowbotham's discrepancies to figure out why he produced his first error.

EDIT: The 3,000 mile distance is only obtainable when a stadium is 123m, a very significant difference compared to the estimated 180m.  Explain this huge dicrepancy, Tom.  How can our estimate be off by 32 - 39% (regarding the 180m and 200m values).

It sounds like you're saying that Tom's numbers dont fit. Whats up with that Tom? Where you at man, you cant go out like this. Get um tom, tell them about the shadow object variable. your the man, Tom!

Hahaha, what a schmuck. Son'ed
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Mr. Ireland on March 16, 2007, 05:05:12 PM
I'm assuming that Mercury/Venus have orbit-like patterns like the sun/moon.  But if they are closer to the earth than the sun/moon, and the sun/moon move in those patterns because of some grooves in the TOP of the atmosphere(as said by TheEngineer).  Then how do Mercury/Venus move(if they do)?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Mr. Ireland on March 16, 2007, 05:17:18 PM
I'm assuming that Mercury/Venus have orbit-like patterns like the sun/moon.  But if they are closer to the earth than the sun/moon, and the sun/moon move in those patterns because of some grooves in the TOP of the atmosphere(as said by TheEngineer).  Then how do Mercury/Venus move(if they do)?

Probably the same way FE sun and FE moon move.  Next time, Tom, Don't mess with the skill of my chief engineering officer, Geordi.

But dude, the sun/moon are on the TOP, and m/v aren't.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: cmdshft on April 05, 2007, 08:04:32 PM
The book on the sacred-texts website is an old edition. Robotham later revised his figures to 3000 miles, the one currently accepted by Flat Earthers and the FAQ.

Wait a minute.

So you've been telling us to read a book that is freely available online, yet it's not the "current revised" edition?

That really says a lot, you know. It puts a damper on TFES' credibility.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Hyperion395 on April 05, 2007, 09:22:09 PM
Tom, you think Venus and Mercury are only 800 miles from the Earth...? So why haven't any satellites collided with them yet? Why has no astronaut ever noticed these planets? Better yet what keeps these tiny objects you describe from being pulled into the Earth?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Midnight on April 06, 2007, 08:42:29 PM
I apologize. I know youre just joking. I did not mean to get this mean. I realized when i re read this after my last post.

I know that you are just messing with people and it is a joke to you. I am sorry. I just dont know how to respond to someone who is so bad at putting on his own show.

i would boo and throw trash if this was live.



Nice save, asshat.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Jesus Reborn on April 07, 2007, 08:17:38 AM
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If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface.

You're not going to bring this society down that easily.

First you will have to prove that shadow lengths vary in such a manner as to imply a spherical earth. Then you will have to supply video demonstrations, as well as mathematical proofs. You will have to create a hypothesis and produce experiments to confirm your hypothesis. You can't simply link us to a NASA website, you will need to show us.

As a constraint you will need to have a Flat Earth Proponent or neutral party double check your results every step of the way to ensure that false data is not being contrived out of spite. Only after that will we maybe think about considering your argument. Otherwise, you can get out.

Hmmm, so, by your way of thinking, your argument is completely moot, as well. Since, you can't truly prove it, why is it true? Just because you try to put someone else under the heat lamp, doesn't make you correct.
How are the links you post more true than his? It's simple. You are an egotistical narcissist who only takes a position of the underdog so you can 'over-come the evil doers', this time by way of debate, when, in reality, you just love to hear yourself talk... in this case, see yourself post.
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: Agent_0042 on April 07, 2007, 12:41:31 PM
If he loves to hear himself talk as much as it seems he does, he should probably get one of those text-to-speech programs. After actually listening to the complete BS that he posts, he would then proceed to have a massive existence failure and disappear forever.

We can dream, can't we?
Title: Re: Please Explain....
Post by: akira on April 07, 2007, 08:42:16 PM
He couldn't explain anything, so let's give him a break.