This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.Yet you are unable to replicate, or at least tell me in your own words how this is possible?
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
I attempted to explain to you how your subconscious is brainwashing your conscious into thinking the Earth is flat, but you just ignored me.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11525.60
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?I have never personally witnessed a ship "sinking" over the horizon. I do not believe your personal testimony due to lack of evidence.
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?I have never personally witnessed a ship "sinking" over the horizon. I do not believe your personal testimony due to lack of evidence.
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Since you have never observed it yourself, your statement is instantly void and of no sound basis.I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?I have never personally witnessed a ship "sinking" over the horizon. I do not believe your personal testimony due to lack of evidence.
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
What? So for all your "seeing is believing" speeches you actually had to brainwash yourself in order to understand the "truth" and see the facts? Maybe you had help from some local plants. Apparently there are plenty of plants which can help you see what you want.I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it. I just happened to see it happen. I suppose your imaginary observations are greater than the observation of millions of the public who have seen ships disappear over the horizon.
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.I skimmed that, and it only seemed to say that the guy did the experiment and that it did not happen. That's not an explanation nor a description.
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
I attempted to explain to you how your subconscious is brainwashing your conscious into thinking the Earth is flat, but you just ignored me.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11525.60
Sorry, but brainwashing can only be done by individuals. So you don't know what you're talking about.
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
Methinks the religious believer protests too much.
I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
Methinks the religious believer protests too much.
I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
I dunno. If I took a picture of the top of a lighthouse from a boat using some sort of magnifying telescope you would just claim it was doctored or I am part of "teh conspiracy".Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
Methinks the religious believer protests too much.
I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
I dunno. If I took a picture of the top of a lighthouse from a boat using some sort of magnifying telescope you would just claim it was doctored or I am part of "teh conspiracy".Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
Methinks the religious believer protests too much.
I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
If you observe it yourself however I am sure you would see it my way. Unless you are not really FE'er and you are just here for the fun of it.
As soon as I find an opportunity to do so I will. Don't expect to hear from me anytime soon though.I dunno. If I took a picture of the top of a lighthouse from a boat using some sort of magnifying telescope you would just claim it was doctored or I am part of "teh conspiracy".Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.
Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.
A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
Methinks the religious believer protests too much.
I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
If you observe it yourself however I am sure you would see it my way. Unless you are not really FE'er and you are just here for the fun of it.
Fine, take a picture and I'll tell you my honest opinion about it.
Did you not read his post? he told you not to refer him to a different document, i want to see you try and explain this! I think fe'ers are a crazy cult and you know what there bible is? E: NAG and the FAQ of course.
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.
It does not describe why we see the sail first and later the whole body emerges out gradually... cud u try plz...
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
They can NOT be brought back with magnification. Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation. Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye. The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA, rhetoric, narrative.
If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
They can NOT be brought back with magnification. Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation. Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye. The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA, rhetoric, narrative.
If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
They can NOT be brought back with magnification. Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation. Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye. The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA, rhetoric, narrative.
If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
Your explanation was so illogical, that you make Bill Nye look like a genius!
What about this one?good example of a boat disappearing from the bottom up and the magnification NOT bringing it back.
Or this one -More boats that are below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out. They would still be visible to the naked eye though. Thanks for proving you've never been to a beach yourself though.
You can deceive yourself all you want, but there's too much evidence that the earth is flat to deceive everyone.I'm deceiving noone. I KNOW the earth is a globe.
On the first video why the boat starts to look a bit strange at minute 11?They can NOT be brought back with magnification. Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation. Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye. The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA, rhetoric, narrative.
If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
Your explanation was so illogical, that you make Bill Nye look like a genius!
What about this one?
Or this one -
You can deceive yourself all you want, but there's too much evidence that the earth is flat to deceive everyone.
The shill gambit already? No comments on what I posted? Typical. For the record, I am not paid to post here nor anywhere else.
I'm sorry you think the truth is illogical. I'm guessing none of these videos were filmed by you because if they had been then you could have seen that the magnification does not bring anything back.
I'm deceiving noone. I KNOW the earth is a globe.
I've worked with both radio and RADAR from both ground and air platforms. For both the range increases only with an increase in altitude. If the world was flat then just increasing power would increase the range.
I've stood on the beach at the Bay/Gulf county line in Mexico Beach, FL. From that location you can look directly South and see the trees of Cape San Blas. While looking from the water line though you can NOT see the waterline and beach of the Cape. Binoculars and telescopes do NOT bring it into view; I checked. This is on a day with completely calm water as that area regularly gets. However, if you climb up the ~15 feet up to the road level you CAN see the beach and water line of Cape San Blas without any zoom at all.
If you don't believe the evidence presented, then why are you at a pro flat earth forum? Just to troll? Maybe paid to try and confuse those not as educated in the subject?
If an object is out of sight, meaning past the horizon, then it has been established by every globezombie out there that it is below the curvature of the earth. The fact that it can be brought back into view, proves there is no curvature!Except it CAN'T be brought back with magnification. I've tried it and it is apparent that you have not.
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out. That does NOT prove anything about the object being visible to the naked eye or the distance to the horizon. Thank you for proving you've never tried it yourself however.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes. It is apparent YOU have not. Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself. Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself
Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself
I don't think they let the severely deranged ones out to go to places like the beach
not a personal opinion. It is a fact.You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes. It is apparent YOU have not. Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself. Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA! Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!
The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!" Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
The answer seems to be pretty simple to me. Human perspective. Since you don't want to be redirected anywhere, you can look at the picture examples I have for you or not. A ship "sinking into the horizon" is not what it seems. What you really see is the object reflected in the water, and the water line is actually much higher than what eyes see. Its like a mirage. An example of this would be the sun going out of our sight at sunset, it seems to melt into the water.So small changes in elevation increase the distance your eyes can see? ::)
Example: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjqh8fv6NvRAhUXzmMKHesfBEoQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Faty.sdsu.edu%2Fexplain%2Fsimulations%2Finf-mir%2FKaplan_photos.html&psig=AFQjCNE-8jNGW5cTmU1U8b-jAWzYRGdIFg&ust=1485382946327877&cad=rja
Same thing happens to boats.
Example: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiEwv3s69vRAhUC4WMKHV-ZA1kQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theflatearthsociety.org%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D65105.0&psig=AFQjCNGBE6XspjO6Eki7eYhlLyKx5fQNHQ&ust=1485383737244007
You can clearly see where the water line actually is by the reflection of the boat.
Our eyes can only see so far. When you think you may be seeing a sail "go over the curve", all you are seeing is the reflection in the water as the boats goes away from your ability to see. Like an inverted image melting into itself.
not a personal opinion. It is a fact.You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes. It is apparent YOU have not. Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself. Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA! Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!
The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!" Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
Not an atheist and not a troll. And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.
No it is not a personal opinion. IF the zoom is making it visible then as the zoom changes then the amount visible should also change. It does not therefore the zoom is not making it visible. There is still nothing to indicate the boats are not visible to the naked eye.not a personal opinion. It is a fact.You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes. It is apparent YOU have not. Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself. Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA! Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!
The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!" Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
Not an atheist and not a troll. And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.
That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept.
No it is not a personal opinion. IF the zoom is making it visible then as the zoom changes then the amount visible should also change. It does not therefore the zoom is not making it visible. There is still nothing to indicate the boats are not visible to the naked eye.not a personal opinion. It is a fact.You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes. It is apparent YOU have not. Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself. Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA! Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!
The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!" Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
Not an atheist and not a troll. And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.
That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept.
As for it being apparent you have never viewed this for yourself, that is made clear by your own words.
No, it is just below the resolution of the camera. Your eyes have better resolution. There is still nothing to indicate it was not visible to the eye.No it is not a personal opinion. IF the zoom is making it visible then as the zoom changes then the amount visible should also change. It does not therefore the zoom is not making it visible. There is still nothing to indicate the boats are not visible to the naked eye.not a personal opinion. It is a fact.You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE. If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes. It does not. There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.It has not been proven. Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is. Only a change in elevation will.
for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes. It is apparent YOU have not. Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself. Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA! Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!
The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!" Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
Not an atheist and not a troll. And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.
That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept.
As for it being apparent you have never viewed this for yourself, that is made clear by your own words.
The camera cannot zoom in past itself, so when it's not using any zoom, and you cannot see the boat beyond the horizon, it means that it went below the so-called curvature of the earth. If the camera can't see the boat, then what makes you think the naked eye can? The fact that it can be made visible again proves no curvature!
You're just throwing out nonsensical spin. You believe it, and therefore it must be true! You're nothing but a pseudo science troll. You have no desire to get to the truth. Your agenda is to garble up, and hide the truth just like NASA and the like.oh the irony.
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it. You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.
There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon. IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change. It does not.
Except I give all the details necessary for ANYONE to repeat the experiment so NOBODY has to take my word for it.I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it. You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.
There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon. IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change. It does not.
LMAO! "I have done an experiment!" I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!
Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.
You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!"
Except I give all the details necessary for ANYONE to repeat the experiment.I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it. You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.
There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon. IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change. It does not.
LMAO! "I have done an experiment!" I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!
Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.
You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!"
And what experiments have you proposed? You've just declared you're right with nothing to back you up.Except I give all the details necessary for ANYONE to repeat the experiment.I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it. You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.
There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon. IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change. It does not.
LMAO! "I have done an experiment!" I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!
Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.
You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!"
Well next time you speak at the AAAS, and tell everyone that you did an experiment without a single iota of proof, and then tell how they too can do it...then you can expect The Copley Medal for outstandingly nothing!
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770fixed the link for you. The link you posted will not work with an img tag as it is not a direct link to the image.
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fixed the link for you.
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat.
The earth is a globe, Proof
1 we have been to the moon, and have pictures of the earth from the moon.
2 the ISS is real and in orbit around the globe.
3 weather satellite pictures are real.
4 GPS uses satellites.
I could go on but I think that's enough.
True but, go look in The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat. « on: Today at 11:22:37 AM ». (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69116.msg1863399#msg1863399)I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!
The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat.
The earth is a globe, Proof
1 we have been to the moon, and have pictures of the earth from the moon.
2 the ISS is real and in orbit around the globe.
3 weather satellite pictures are real.
4 GPS uses satellites.
I could go on but I think that's enough.
This is not a debate forum.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Time and time again, I've watched video evidence of people showing a boat go completely out of view, then they zoom in and the boat is completely visible again. This is repeated only until the camera can no longer zoom in.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I'll give it a shot! All the answers I've come across just comes down to the distance our eyes can see. As a boat "sinks down into the curvature", what we are actually seeing is just a reflection in the water as the object leaves human perspective (this is, of course, at a great distance when atmospheric conditions get involved). The water line in the ocean isn't where our eyes see, but you can clearly see where the reflection begins and ends in my picture examples, indicating where the water line actually is. (EDIT* The reflection takes place after the ships and boats pass the wave front edge.) This is like a mirage/mirroring effect because our eyes (and magnifying devices) can only see so far. The sun does this as it leaves us over the ocean, as well.
Just a couple of examples:
(http://aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/sun1b.jpg)
(http://www.tamariskrtw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/No-it-isnt-sinking-on-a-calm-day-with-a-very-long-lens-we-can-see-beyond-the-horizon-the-curvature-of-the-Earth-prevents-us-from-seeing-the-entire-boat.jpg)
Time and time again, I've watched video evidence of people showing a boat go completely out of view, then they zoom in and the boat is completely visible again. This is repeated only until the camera can no longer zoom in.
So the boats are just leaving our perspective. Another example is the, what I think is called, Bedford Levels experiment (Bedford Levels is a perfectly straight canal for six miles), and this Samuel Rowbottom person (spell check) put a telescope about 8 inches above the water and sent a rowboat with a flag on the back and watched him row to the other side, and could see the flag and the boat the entire time. And I've watched this video explaining a bit on the equation that says (spherical trigonometry, I think) the curve of the earth is 8 inches per mile squared. So over five miles (the canal was six miles), the boat should be 16 feet below the horizon. (5x5=25 8x25=200 inches)
Any thoughts?
As for your personal experience, what if I had been there with a stronger magnifying device and I zoomed in on the boat after you watched it go over the curvature?
"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"
Here's a little quote from
https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/29/22-is-the-earth-a-sphere-lighthouses-and-distant-lands/
But you can look into that on any website...
It also probably helps to understand how our perspective works
(http://www.olejarz.com/arted/perspective/images/intro.gif)
We see in a pyramid-like shape. To put into words, in addition to picture aid, (with the horizon obviously in the center) everything below the horizon seems to go up and everything above the horizon seems to go down as the sides go inward. We witness this walking down a very long hotel or cruise ship hallway. Even as we look at things at a far distance, our own perspective can obscure what we are looking at.
(https://nikonites.com/attachments/abstract/85799d1398536199-cruise-ship-hallway-285.jpg)
Your math is wrong. It is not 8 inches per 5 miles squared (8*5^2), it is 8 inches per square mile ( a square area 1 mile by 1 mile). So at 5 miles an object would only be 40 inches below the horizon or 3 feet 4 inches (8 in.*5 square miles, because there are 5 squares that are 1 mile by 1 mile between you and the object).
And the spire would be visible at 150 miles out because the building would be 1200 inches (100 feet) below the horizon, because there are 150 square miles between you and the spire of Notre Dame.
"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"You've just parroted this from the many websites that also blindly parrot it. If you read it carefully, it doesn't even make any sense:
Here's a little quote from
flatearthemily certainly has the quote right, here is the full quote from"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"You've just parroted this from the many websites that also blindly parrot it. If you read it carefully, it doesn't even make any sense:
Here's a little quote from
"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg [sic] measuring 468 feet above sea level."
Eh, what? What has the Antwerp tower got to do with the Strasbourg one? This sentence makes no sense.
"With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away."
Which cathedral? What ships? I bet it's not the Strasbourg on, as it right in the middle of Western Europe, over 300 miles to the coast! Unless this "ships captain" has actually somehow grounded his boat in Zurich.
As for Antwerp: It's only 120 miles from South East coast of England to Antwerp - and trust me, you can't see cathedral towers in Belgium while stood on the Kent coast.
Do you think your "ships captains" might just be made up by any chance?
The Atlantean Conspiracy, Flat Earth Enlightenment From Lighthouses
Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!
The Atlantean Conspiracy, , Flat Earth Enlightenment From Lighthouses (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/04/flat-earth-enlightenment.html)
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Ok, let me ask you. Why does water appear to become horizontally flat? What force makes it do that?I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!
Here are a few of those videos:
Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!And of course, what does the video show?
Here are a few of those videos:
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!And of course, what does the video show?
Here are a few of those videos:
It shows the ship sinking below the horizon as would be expected for a round Earth. If Earth was flat, no part of it should sink.
Good job for once again providing evidence that shows Earth is round.
If you want to refute Earth being round, show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level.
Perspective, waves, water evaporation, convergence, and decreasing visibility range, is why the ship is disappearing, not because it is "falling off the edge".....err....going over any curvature.And none of that explains it.
"show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level."I would believe it, if it could easily be done by almost anyone.
Would you believe it, or find some way to reject it? It's a mirage, or some silly BS like that.
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!And of course, what does the video show?
Here are a few of those videos:
It shows the ship sinking below the horizon as would be expected for a round Earth. If Earth was flat, no part of it should sink.
Good job for once again providing evidence that shows Earth is round.
If you want to refute Earth being round, show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level.
Perspective, waves, water evaporation, convergence, and decreasing visibility range, is why the ship is disappearing, not because it is "falling off the edge".....err....going over any curvature.
"show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level."
Would you believe it, or find some way to reject it? It's a mirage, or some silly BS like that.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!
Here are a few of those videos:
Ship visible at 12 miles on horizon : FLAT EARTH ADDICT 01, Flat Earth Addict
]Please explain why so many FE "ships hidden" videos are taken under mirage conditions? In this video, the presenter claims that the real horizon level is at the apparent water level. I do not agree. The "mirage" causing the reflection affects objects below it, close to water level and moves the apparent water level, NOT the ship, which is at a higher level.
Analyzed: "How Boats Vanish Over The Horizon" ON A FLAT EARTH. from YouTube'r " EmpyThea Princess", DITRH
I am not going to wade through 1 hour 16 minutes and 55 seconds of rambling about their misunderstanding every from gravity to attitude control in submarines.
US Navy Submarine Chief: What Curve? - Flat Earth - Part One, 7th Day Truth Seeker
Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!Just a bit in closing:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyvyx9ysn79u8kc/Diamond%20Princess%202%20leaving%20Harbour.jpg?dl=1) Diamond Princess leaving Harbour | (https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybtbb06hx11uma/Diamond%20Princess%205%20more%20over%20horizon.jpg?dl=1) Diamond Princess partly over horizon | (https://www.dropbox.com/s/9na6fx2p9dqcxkt/Diamond%20Princess%207%20framed%20for%20overlay.jpg?dl=1) Diamond Princess well over horizon (framed for overlay) | (https://www.dropbox.com/s/l16vcdcer5t2xvk/Diamond%20Princess%208%20as%207%20original%20ship%20overlayed.jpg?dl=1) Diamond Princess original ship overlayed on prev picture |
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!
Here are a few of those videos:
Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship moving over the horizon?
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Yeah, changing what other people say is about all ya got, isn't it?
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship moving over the horizon?
fixed that for ya
"If you think it does I would love to hear your explanation for why we can see a star billions of light years away which surely is beyond the vanishing point yes?"
Yeah, I brought up the same point in my "conclusive proof" thread. All I heard was a bunch of:
Thank you for proving you are unable to read and comprehend.That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon. Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon. Is a ball really that complicated?That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon. Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon. Is a ball really that complicated?That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon. Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon. Is a ball really that complicated?That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon. Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon. Is a ball really that complicated?That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?
No, it's going over the horizon. Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon. Is a ball really that complicated?That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?
Wow, this blind fool thinks the governments do not lie!
No, it's going over the horizon. Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon. Is a ball really that complicated?That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification. We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.
Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
"Is a ball really that complicated?"
It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!Nope.
"Is a ball really that complicated?"No. It requires no excuses.
It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.
Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.
Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.
The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.
Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up."Is a ball really that complicated?"No. It requires no excuses.
It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.
Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.
How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?
Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.
Ok so why does a ship disappear from the bottom up? What does light from sunrise hit the top of a mountain first, or the underside of clouds?Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.
Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.
Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.
The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.
Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up."Is a ball really that complicated?"No. It requires no excuses.
It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.
Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.
How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?
Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.
"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."This has been explained to you so many times it isn't funny.
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
No. It's level, but not flat.
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon?
Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat.Not flat.
Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void.Yes. And?
There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!So a level stretch of track that maintains a constant elevation, just like a body of relativly calm water on a globe. What are the other better explanations?
"Is a ball really that complicated?"No, not really.
It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure!
We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions.No, not really.
Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support.Such as?
A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!No, and it requires several assumptions. For example, on a flat Earth, why doesn't the moon get smaller toward rise and set, and how does everyone see the same face of it?
Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary."No, it does not. Not even vaguely close.
In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic technique (discovery tool) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models, rather than as an arbiter between published models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.[3][4][5]From the wiki.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Hey friend, I am with your point, but this reason can not be satisfying that earth is round or flatYes, converge to the ground, where they shrink as they get further away (and not necessarily the ground, just whatever they are near).
because
even if there is no longer distance and the ground remaining flat the things still seem to converge to ground.
havent you seen thisYes, because Earth is round, and results in the bottom of objects disappearing before the tops.
type of illusion, it is everywhere around you.
The ship sailing does not proves round earthIt disappearing over the horizon does.
the bending towards the ground of the non distant objectsCare to give an example of this?
proves flat earthers' point of them that we are given wrong and incomplete knowledge of the world by our schools.No, the baseless claims of FEers are not proof of anything except their desperation.
Little Knowlegde is dangerous!And that is exactly what the FEers have, a little bit of knowledge, and that is what they hope their prey has.
Please do not become angry with my point rather try to understand itThen explain how perspective makes objects disappear from the bottom up.
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!If you were to ask someone how an internal-combustion engine works, and they explain it to you, would you consider that an 'excuse' also?
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!If you were to ask someone how an internal-combustion engine works, and they explain it to you, would you consider that an 'excuse' also?
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!
Here are a few of those videos:
Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!
I may have missed the gun here but I'm going to bring up something about this that has bugged me for ages.This sort of thing? Is the "Diamond Princess" big enough?
When we talk about the ship on the horizon we talk about a literal ship miles out where it goes over the horizon
However FE take that as you should be able to replicate this with smaller boats. Which in theory you can, only due to the size of them you lose them out of your focal range before they make it to the curvature, so of course when you take out the telescope you can bring the whole thing back.
So in order for you to do this properly you need to look at something that is the size of a laden cargo ship or a cruise ship, this way it is still just about in your focal range when it crosses the horizon so when you zoom in you only see part.
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%202%20leaving%20Harbour_zpsoryggtwy.jpg) Diamond Princess leaving Harbour | (http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%205%20more%20over%20horizon_zps0rbx6wtu.jpg) Diamond Princess partly over horizon |
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%207%20framed%20for%20overlay_zpsbpodfstv.jpg) Diamond Princess well over horizon (framed for overlay) | (http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%208%20as%207%20original%20ship%20overlayed_zpsjab4t9lj.jpg) Diamond Princess original ship overlayed on prev picture |
I live on Oahu, so I've seen ships on the horizon all the time. The best evidence against this is when you see a ship traveling "sideways" on the horizon with half of the boat appearing to be underwater. What explains that, besides "believing is seeing"?The ship would be on the horizon, but not beyond it.
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?
I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.
This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
(https://richedwardsimagery.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/the-view-looking-southeast-over-our-ship-docked-on-the-schelde-river-to-the-waterfront-and-historic-center-of-antwerp-with-the-magnificent-soaring-cathedral-of-our-lady_s-spire-on.jpg?w=584)You can't see curvature from that height, it's a lens effect. How about from a Japanese meteorological satellite instead:
See the curvature ? explain please.
I am an actual merchant mariner who actual sails on large commercial vessels. I've come here to admit that nearby every major port the US government has installed massive ship elevators that make ships appear to sink once they are outside of most peoples perception. This is assisted by the ships crew taking on ballast water at the same. On rare occasions when the elevators are not working the ship will actually scuttle itself if anybody is watching.Maybe the first part of your post :P explains :P what happens to the container ship seeming "lower down" than the much smaller fishing boat at 3:29 in this video.
But in all seriousness if the earth is flat then why can you see further when you go up higher? What advantage would you get from having the bridge be on the top of a ship? Obviously we crafty sailors put the spot we look out from at the top of the ship so we can see roughly 10-15 miles out (depending on ship height). If you go down to the main deck of most ships you can hardly see anything. Also note that the bridge can see ships/land/buildings sooner than a watch set on the main deck (assuming it isn't a RORO vessel)
Also take note that ships are not as good at finding life rafts as helicopters are.
I am an actual merchant mariner who actual sails on large commercial vessels. I've come here to admit that nearby every major port the US government has installed massive ship elevators that make ships appear to sink once they are outside of most peoples perception. This is assisted by the ships crew taking on ballast water at the same. On rare occasions when the elevators are not working the ship will actually scuttle itself if anybody is watching.
But in all seriousness if the earth is flat then why can you see further when you go up higher? What advantage would you get from having the bridge be on the top of a ship? Obviously we crafty sailors put the spot we look out from at the top of the ship so we can see roughly 10-15 miles out (depending on ship height). If you go down to the main deck of most ships you can hardly see anything. Also note that the bridge can see ships/land/buildings sooner than a watch set on the main deck (assuming it isn't a RORO vessel)
Also take note that ships are not as good at finding life rafts as helicopters are.