The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Gridleak on February 17, 2007, 12:28:09 PM
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Ok, to start this out im not here to call you guys dumb or use any rude comments. Please do excuse my spelling, as just because I dont spell everything right doesn't mean I cant use logic.
Ok on to the subject at hand. I'm a nonbeleaver in the 'Earth is flat' theory. Tell me why I should beleave what you guys beleave, and i'll do the same on my part. Please no useless comments or anything. I really want to know why do you think the earth is flat, i'll start.
I beleave the Earth is round because, it's in space. Most of y'all are thinking im insane right about now but just wait. What I beleave it that the Earth is spining, on an axis. Now space is a vacum (just for the peope that don't know that *wink*), most people beleave that the Earth was hit by an Asroid giving Earth it's spin and the aftermath of the two coming together split the Earth in about 1/3 or 1/4, and the mass that came from the Earth after its impact formed into the Moon, ok I wanted to give a backround of a theory I beleave. So here it is. Two huge masses in space, both spinning. Now they both have there own gravaity. As it spins the gravaity holds everything together. So its compacting it into a ball. This happens with the Earth and the Moon. So thats my basic theory, on how the Earth, and the Moon is round.
You're turn, anser these for me.
How do you explain tides?
What about the seasons?
And why hasn't anyone explored the 'Ice wall' that surrounds the 'flat' Earth, and if they have please show some pics.
And people that have flown 'around the World', explain to me how they flew around a flat earth.
How thick is the 'flat Earth'?
Last one... Whats on the other side?
~Rob
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Last one... Whats on the other side?
More Penguins.
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I beleave the Earth is round because, it's in space.
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How do you explain tides?
See the FAQ.
What about the seasons?
See the FAQ.
And why hasn't anyone explored the 'Ice wall' that surrounds the 'flat' Earth, and if they have please show some pics.
They have. Search for "antarctica" in Google Image Search.
And people that have flown 'around the World', explain to me how they flew around a flat earth.
Circumnavigation is possible on the Flat Earth. See the FAQ.
How thick is the 'flat Earth'?
At least two hundred kilometers deep.
Last one... Whats on the other side?
See the FAQ.
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Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"
A: It's a conspiracy
We fight and wage Wars, but yet we work together to keep a "conspiracy"?
Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"
A: You would enter an inertial reference frame, moving at a constant velocity in the direction the Earth was moving before you jumped. The Earth would continue accelerating upwards past you at a rate of 1g, so it would appear to you that you were falling into space.
Ok, would it be possable? My theory on Gravaity is all about mass. The bigger things are the more Gravaity it has. If we had a flat Earth then if you tryed to jump off the side wouldn't you be crushed? seeing how the earth has more pull from that side?
Q: "What about gravity?"
A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity.
What made everything to move upwards at 1g (9.8/s-2)?
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Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"
A: It's a conspiracy
We fight and wage Wars, but yet we work together to keep a "conspiracy"?
That's gotta make the most sense out of anything I've ever read here :!:
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Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"
A: It's a conspiracy
We fight and wage Wars, but yet we work together to keep a "conspiracy"?
That's gotta make the most sense out of anything I've ever read here :!:
Now you know how I feel, why would the Earth fight with it's self but still work together to keep something like this from us?
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We fight and wage Wars, but yet we work together to keep a "conspiracy"?
The Conspiracy is a separate entity than the governments of the world.
Ok, would it be possable? My theory on Gravaity is all about mass. The bigger things are the more Gravaity it has. If we had a flat Earth then if you tryed to jump off the side wouldn't you be crushed? seeing how the earth has more pull from that side?
RE theory of gravity holds no water without the existance of a hypothetical particle called the "gravitron."
What made everything to move upwards at 1g (9.8/s-2)?
It's not just moving, it's accelerating. The acceleration is caused by expansion of the universe.
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Q: "What about gravity?"
A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity.
How do you explain the attraction between comets, asteroids and planets?? :o
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How do you explain the attraction between comets, asteroids and planets?? :o
Dark matter.
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Tom how do you keep this act up 24/7? It must get boring.
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How do you explain the attraction between comets, asteroids and planets?? :o
Equivalence Principle.
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We fight and wage Wars, but yet we work together to keep a "conspiracy"?
The Conspiracy is a separate entity than the governments of the world.
Tom,congrats.
I have officially lost all hope in you.
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Tom how do u know the Earth is flat?
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Equivalence Principal.
You have no clue what that is, do you?
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Tom how do u know the Earth is flat?
As a conclusion from my own personal observations, experiments and scientific proofs.
You have no clue what that is, do you?
Yes actually, I do.
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How do you explain the attraction between comets, asteroids and planets?? :o
Equivalence Principal.
I just wanted to let you know that you've spelled "principle" incorrectly in about 10 different threads.
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quote]We fight and wage Wars, but yet we work together to keep a "conspiracy"?
The Conspiracy is a separate entity than the governments of the world. [/quote]
Mhmmm.. Where is this all held? So far y'all havn't givin me and ansers other than, it's a Conspiracy.
What made everything to move upwards at 1g (9.8/s-2)?
It's not just moving, it's accelerating. The acceleration is caused by expansion of the universe.
What caused the expansion of the universe?
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What caused the expansion of the universe?
The same mechanism that caused the expansion of the universe in the RE model.
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What happens when we hit the roof of the universe? :(
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Selective responses that only support your cause are funny.
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Tom how do u know the Earth is flat?
As a conclusion from my own personal observations, experiments and scientific proofs.
I would like to see the outcomes of the experiments.
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I would like to see the outcomes of the experiments.
Step 1. Look outside your window
Step 2. Read the FAQ
Step 3. Read the book "Earth not a Globe" by Samuel Birley Rowbotham
Step 4. Preform the experiments described in the book for yourself
Step 5. Read the book "One hundred proofs the Earth is not a Globe" by William Carpenter
Step 6. Preform the experiments described in the book for yourself
Step 7. Read the back-issues of "Flat Earth News Quarterly"
Step 8. Preform the experiments described in the newsletters for yourself.
Step 9. Read the book "Flatland" by Edwin A. Abbott
Step 10. Come to the conclusion of a Flat Earth
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Tom how do u know the Earth is flat?
As a conclusion from my own personal observations, experiments and scientific proofs.
I would like to see the outcomes of the experiments.
Step 1. Look outside your window
Step 2. Read the FAQ
Step 3. Read the book "Earth not a Globe" by Samuel Birley Rowbotham
Step 4. Preform the experiments described in the book for yourself
Step 5. Read the book "One hundred proofs the Earth is not a Globe" by William Carpenter
Step 6. Preform the experiments described in the book for yourself
Step 7. Read the back-issues of "Flat Earth News Quarterly"
Step 8. Preform the experiments described in the newsletters for yourself.
Step 9. Read the book "Flatland" by Edwin A. Abbott
Step 10. Come to the conclusion of a Flat Earth
What science degree did you graduate with? and from what school was that?
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Tom how do u know the Earth is flat?
As a conclusion from my own personal observations, experiments and scientific proofs.
I would like to see the outcomes of the experiments.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h70/LogiX_2006/Untitled-3-2.jpg
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Tom how do u know the Earth is flat?
As a conclusion from my own personal observations, experiments and scientific proofs.
I would like to see the outcomes of the experiments.
Step 1. Look outside your window
Step 2. Read the FAQ
Step 3. Read the book "Earth not a Globe" by Samuel Birley Rowbotham
Step 4. Preform the experiments described in the book for yourself
1. The Earth is MASSIVE. It's on such a wide scale it looks flat, and if you do look out in the flatlands, you CAN see a curve.
2. I read consprisy about 50 times. If thats what you telling me to do.
3. I'm reading it as we speak.
4. I'll get back to you on it.
Ok, take a turn try to explain WHY and HOW the Earth became flat.
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1. The Earth is MASSIVE. It's on such a wide scale it looks flat, and if you do look out in the flatlands, you CAN see a curve.
It sets a clear precedent for a flat earth. And no, RE curvature would be perfectly flat until at least 60,000 feet in altitude.
Ok, take a turn try to explain WHY and HOW the Earth became flat.
Sheering and rotational forces in its early life.
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Tom do you have a job that doesn't include serving others?
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1. The Earth is MASSIVE. It's on such a wide scale it looks flat, and if you do look out in the flatlands, you CAN see a curve.
It sets a clear precedent for a flat earth. And no, curvature is ambiguous until at least 60,000 feet in altitude.
My only problem with this is that the ice wall is 150 feet and every FEer I've seen thinks thats where the world ends and space seems to begin. So wouldn't that be space your speaking of tom? Not to mention those really high spots on the planet?
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1. The Earth is MASSIVE. It's on such a wide scale it looks flat, and if you do look out in the flatlands, you CAN see a curve.
It sets a clear precedent for a flat earth. And no, RE curvature would be perfectly flat until at least 60,000 feet in altitude.
I thought the Earth was flat, and had no curvature?
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My only problem with this is that the ice wall is 150 feet and every FEer I've seen thinks thats where the world ends and space seems to begin.
No, they don't.
So wouldn't that be space your speaking of tom? Not to mention those really high spots on the planet?
"Space" doesn't begin until an altitude of 100 nautical miles. This is true for both models.
I thought the Earth was flat, and had to curvature?
Notice how I used the phrase "RE model." Reading Comprehension.
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what science degree do you hold, George Feeny?
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what science degree do you hold
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He does look like Mr Feeny doesn't he.
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If the entire contents of the universe are accelerating upwards at 1g, then the "Big Bang" theory would not work for the FE model.
Think about it, it's space, which means that there is almost nil resistance in any direction. Any explosion would be spherical in nature. Which means the force of that explosion is spherical.
How can everything be accelerating upward if everything was pushed outward in all directions?
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How can everything be accelerating upward if everything was pushed outward in all directions?
Which is proven by the doppler shift to red.
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As well, after reading your FAQ, to have a complete theory you need to be able to answer the most basic questions. Why have you left some of these questions unanswered? The coriolis effect? Why the hull of a ship disappears over the horizon before the mast? These are proven effects of a round earth. To not have an explanation for these questions, leaves holes wide enough in your theory to fly a 747 through.
Edit: And for the record, if the earth is accelerating upward at 1g, and someone jumped off the side of a Flat-Earth it would not accelerate upward past you. Because you would be moving at the same speed relative to the earth itself, you would stay in position floating beside it.
Remember, there's no air resistance in space, so would stay at that same acceleration.
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I see my valid questions and points are being ignored. Do any of you actually believe this? If so, do you have answers for my questions?
No, a link to the FAQ is not an acceptable answer. You should be able to argue the point effectively yourself.
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Edit: And for the record, if the earth is accelerating upward at 1g, and someone jumped off the side of a Flat-Earth it would not accelerate upward past you. Because you would be moving at the same speed relative to the earth itself, you would stay in position floating beside it.
I really wish you people would take a physics class before you started arguing. Acceleration is not velocity.
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There are also more questions in my posts. How about discussing all of them, instead of dismissing one part?
Like, why does the hull of a ship disappear over the horizon before the mast?
Or, why are the contents of the universe accelerating upward if the universe was created by the big bang? The explosion would be spherical, which would mean that the contents would be expanding in all directions.
How can you tell everything is accelerating upward anyway? There is no direction in space.
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There are also more questions in my posts. How about discussing all of them, instead of dismissing one part?
Like, why does the hull of a ship disappear over the horizon before the mast?
It's a matter of perspective. See Chapter 14 of Earth Not a Globe:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm
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Tom wants it so much to be a matter of perspective because when he hit age 50 he got unnaturally fat and slowly watched as the base of his penis disappeared over the horizon of his gigantic gut, followed by the rest of it. He couldn't accept this and therefore spent the next decade browsing the internet in his mom's basement until he discovered an alibi.
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Good one, though it doesn't explain it. Perspective is only part. Yes, as things get further away, they get smaller and smaller until they disappear. But only as they pass the curvature of the earth, will it seem to sink into the water.
This is what happens with a ship.
If it was just getting further and further away it would get smaller, the mast would disappear because it's the thinnest part of the ship, then the hull would disappear.
What actually happens is that the ship passes the curvature of the earth and seems to descend into the water. The hull goes first, and the mast follows. On the open ocean you can actually see far enough on a clear day to discern the curve of the earth. If the earth was flat (which it's not) you would be able to see a ship much further than you can, because it does go over the horizon.
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Also, see my post above. Please do not link me random articles that are "proof". Explain it yourself.
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I think I've already solved this mystery: this entire flat earth thing is just a way for Tom to compensate for his large body and his small penis.
Case closed.
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what science degree do you hold
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If you don't mind my asking, which online university did you purchase it from?
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There are also more questions in my posts. How about discussing all of them, instead of dismissing one part?
Like, why does the hull of a ship disappear over the horizon before the mast?
It's a matter of perspective. See Chapter 14 of Earth Not a Globe:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm
Those images make no sense, the line should be drawn from C to H (for the woman and lamp post). If that detail weren't on the picture (base of the lamp post, woman's dress), how would you know to draw the line from that position?
There is no consistancy in those models, you compress the bottom of the picture into a single point. If the base of the lamp post were taller, you would be compressing a completely different section of it. The base of the lamp post loses its proportionality with the rest of the lamp post as the image progresses backwards.
If you were precisely at ground/sea level, the closest part of the lamp/ship to you would be the base, and hence it would be the most clearly visible part. In practise this is only the case for short distances; in long distances curvature kicks in.
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What caused the expansion of the universe?
The same mechanism that caused the expansion of the universe in the RE model.
I created an account just to reply to this.
The expansion of the Universe in the RE model is CAUSED BY GRAVITY!. Yes thats right. The type of gravity Albert Einstein called "the cosmological constant". So dont make stuff up. Everything we see day to day, fits perfectly with the math and eqautions set forth by scientists etc.
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What caused the expansion of the universe?
The same mechanism that caused the expansion of the universe in the RE model.
I created an account just to reply to this.
The expansion of the Universe in the RE model is CAUSED BY GRAVITY!. Yes thats right. The type of gravity Albert Einstein called "the cosmological constant". So dont make stuff up. Everything we see day to day, fits perfectly with the math and eqautions set forth by scientists etc.
Gravitation between objects still exists in the flat earth model. It's a side effect of the acceleration of mass. See the Equivalence Principle.
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The expansion of the Universe in the RE model is CAUSED BY GRAVITY!. Yes thats right. The type of gravity Albert Einstein called "the cosmological constant". So dont make stuff up. Everything we see day to day, fits perfectly with the math and eqautions set forth by scientists etc.
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Selective responses. THEY'LL NEVER NOTICE >=D
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