You don’t have to be an astronomer, scientist or mathematician to figure somethings out. All you need is to apply common sense with science to find a logical explanation.
Maybe "You don’t have to be an astronomer, scientist or mathematician to figure somethings out" but it would better if you had observed these things yourself.
And the science you apply is "cherry-picked" thoughts misapplied.
Where Did Our Flat Earth Sun Go?
Understanding our atmosphere will help explain a few things about our Sun.
Water limits what we can see and how far we can see and as a fluid, so does Air. The brightest lights cannot break through a very thick fog bank unless it is close enough to the viewer. As the light gets closer, the fog bank will first be lit up from within like twilight, then as the light source gets even closer, the center beam breaks through and it can be seen making things brighter.
The principle is the same for the beginning of a day on our Plane Earth with the understanding of perspective and a linear atmosphere bank. After the Sun again has made its circle, it begins to light up our atmosphere over the eastern horizon and through thousands of miles of linear atmosphere the viewer can see the first hint of morning, Twilight. As the minutes pass the Sun breaks through at the horizon because now the linear miles the Sun has to shine through atmosphere to reach the viewer have been reduced. As time passes the miles are decreased even more and it gets brighter and warmer and peaks at solar noon.
Due to perspective, the Sun appears to rise and fall from viewpoint, but the Sun remains about 3200 miles above earths surface during it's circular cycle. As the day progresses, the Sun again will reach the west horizon and as the Sun's miles progress even farther away from the viewer, twilight begins again. Then after a few minutes the longer atmosphere bank will cast a shadow of darkness upon the viewer, making it night once again.
That's a nice story but that's all it is - a story.
The start is OK, with "it begins to light up our atmosphere over the eastern horizon and through thousands of miles of linear atmosphere the viewer can see the first hint of morning" but it all goes awry.
You say that, "As the minutes pass the Sun breaks through at the horizon because now the linear miles the Sun has to shine through atmosphere to reach the viewer have been reduced."
But, even at sunrise, your sun is still around 3200 miles above the earth and of the order of 10,000 miles (depending on the season and location) away.
That puts your sun somewhere around 19° above the horizon - that is all
perspective can do for you.
Now I'm fully aware that the changing air density can bend light but only by 0.5° of so and in the wrong direction.
So there is no way that your sun can appear near the horizon but it gets worse than that, far far worse!
The real sun seems to be initially
below the horizon and rise from behind it.
There is no way that perspective can one object make an object above another appear to be below it and refraction can't help. Remember these?
But on the flat earth the sun is supposedly always about 3200 miles above the earth.
Note how the sun does not appear as if it approaches through the murk but rise with full disk fully illuminated from behind
something".
So "You don’t have to be an astronomer, scientist or mathematician to figure somethings out" just look at a beautiful sunrise or sunset!
And I note that even in your own diagram you don't show how the sun could be as low as the horizon, let alone below it.
Nope! Your explanation for the sun's staying exactly the same size is pure guesswork.
I know the atmosphere can refract light
slightly when an object like the sun is very close to the horizon but that does not magnify it.
No, Mr Plat Terra, you are the one that is completely wrong here!You say that "Author", that's
ME, "does not include a key element in the argument; thousands of miles of Linear atmosphere and Light refraction."
But there are NO "thousands of miles of Linear atmosphere"! The effective thickness of the earth's atmosphere is no more than the equivalent of about 9 km (of sea-level density air) so even that 45° slanted path is only through no more than 13 km of sea-level.
And even then there has been much research into the refraction of light coming into the atmosphere from the outside:
See Refraction deviation angles for an observer at sea level, M. E. THOMAS AND R. I. JOSEPH See
Table 1 at
Refraction deviation angles for an observer at sea level, Table 1.From that you will find that at 45° from the zenith the refraction is only about
one minute of arc (
1/
60 degree).
That very informative table will also show that even right on the horizon the usual refraction is only about 34.5' or arc or a bit over 0.5°.
You say "One who leaves out such important issues is being intellectually dishonest and knows better" but, Mr Plat Terra, refraction is a very trivial issue here.
So, I have not been intellectually dishonest in drawing up that diagram and is essentially the same as the one that you flat earthers use to justify you son's distance above the earth being about 3200 miles.
I'd be careful throwing these accusations about because they might just come back and bite YOU as this one has!One who falsely accuses another "being intellectually dishonest" should, at the very least, offer an apology - how about it?
With the right atmospheric conditions, one can view the Sun fade away above the horizon through the atmosphere bank.
Possibly "with the right atmospheric conditions" but the sun rises and sets quite predictably.
And it does not usually seem to "fade away above the horizon through the atmosphere bank." Always, on a clear day, the set just seems to slowly go down behind the western horizon like this:
LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm | | LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm |
I naturally think that the sun is really being hidden behind something, the horizon on the Globe.
Flat Earth Sunset - Impossible on a Globe Earth
There's nothing about that sunset that's "Impossible on a Globe Earth"! But explain this on a flat earth!
Hawaii Sunset with Green Flash by Natalie SirgoSo once again a flat earther fails to explain something we can all so easily observe sunrises and sunsets!
So from what I can see your explanation of "
Where Did Our Flat Earth Sun Go? " does not explain what we really see at all unless you make quite unwarranted and incorrect assumptions about perspective, visibility and refraction.
PS Don't forget that apology!