How "thick" is the FE?

Are we talking 20 miles or so?  What is at the "center" of the flat earth, lava?  What is on the other "side"(like the other side of a peice of paper) of the earth?

Unknown, and there is no way of knowing.

There is most definitely lava and molten rock beneath the surface, but as for what else there is towards the center and how thick it is, unknown.

Except for the fact that seismic waves (S and P) reval changes in density and chart masses beneath the surface. But wait, those waves also confirm the spherical shape of the Earth! It must be thrown away since that's obviously not right. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/interior.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_core#Structure

So does the flat earth have a spherical outer core then?

Except for the fact that seismic waves (S and P) reval changes in density and chart masses beneath the surface. But wait, those waves also confirm the spherical shape of the Earth! It must be thrown away since that's obviously not right. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/interior.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_core#Structure

So does the flat earth have a spherical outer core then?

Seismological readings are detecting phenomenas on the Flat Earth. Since the most popular model of the earth is a globe, Seismology takes earthquake results and applies it to a Round Earth Model. If we take those same results and apply it to the Flat Earth model, unwrapping the diagrams, the bounce back of the waves becomes an almost perfect 90 degree angle. This essentially tells us the shape of the Flat Earth's core: Flat.

The Crust, Mantle, Outer Core, and Inner Core of the Flar Earth model exists as a series of flat layers, increasing in temperature and density the deeper down we go. The true depth of the Flat Earth is, of course, unknown. Since the waves bounce back after hitting the outer and inner cores we have no true way of telling how far down the core extends, or if anything exists beyond it.

I thought china was on the other side? 

I thought china was on the other side? 

Only in the Round Earth fantasy. All continents exist on the top of the Flat Earth. Who has tunneled through the earth to the other side?

It was a bad joke Tom lol

Quote from: L0gic on November 01, 2007, 05:43:44 AM

Except for the fact that seismic waves (S and P) reval changes in density and chart masses beneath the surface. But wait, those waves also confirm the spherical shape of the Earth! It must be thrown away since that's obviously not right. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/interior.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_core#Structure

So does the flat earth have a spherical outer core then?

Seismological readings are detecting phenomenas on the Flat Earth. Since the most popular model of the earth is a globe, Seismology takes earthquake results and applies it to a Round Earth Model. If we take those same results and apply it to the Flat Earth model, unwrapping the diagrams, the bounce back of the waves becomes an almost perfect 90 degree angle. This essentially tells us the shape of the Flat Earth's core: Flat.

The Crust, Mantle, Outer Core, and Inner Core of the Flar Earth model exists as a series of flat layers, increasing in temperature the deeper down we go. The true depth of the Flat Earth is, of course, unknown. Since the waves bounce back after hitting the outer and inner cores we have no true way of telling how far down the core extends, or if anything exists beyond it.

Tom, these experiments did not use RE interpretation for the results. When seismic waves are detected in locations around the world they are precisely recorded. The time waves take to travel to location in RE and FE are different because you stretched the whole Earth around.

Consider this example: Alaska detects P and S waves which extend to North America and Southern South America. With the stations detecting the waves equally apart, the wave should take about twice as long to reach the furthest point than the intermediate point. Yet it detects it in the southern region much sooner though still after the middle region. This is observed in all directions all over the Earth by countless scientists, geologists, hobbyists, etc.

This means that either the Earth is changing densities in key locations to confuse us, the conspiracy is actually faking earthquakes, or the distance is not twice as long (implying curvature deviating from the initial direction of the Earths surface).

This conspiracy reminds me of Wiley E. Coyote running around setting up junk to trick us. 

Tom, these experiments did not use RE interpretation for the results. When seismic waves are detected in locations around the world they are precisely recorded. The time waves take to travel to location in RE and FE are different because you stretched the whole Earth around.

Ask any Seismologist what shape he assumes the earth to be when interpreting his results. Guess what he would say.

Using this assumption, and basic figures for the radius of the round earth, he can time the response of earthquake waves and very easily determine the speed of waves with simple math. If instead the waves are traveling through much more, or less of the earth than assumed in his model, it affects the velocity estimates for various types of earthquake waves. Therefore, the fundamental speed of wave propagation is dependent on the very shape of the earth.

To recapitulate, the Seismologist is making a number of assumptions when interpreting the arrival of distant earthquake waves. Furthermore, the seismologist is assuming a certain density those waves are passing through. He is assuming densities for areas no man has ever seen or explored. Man has never penetrated the crust of the earth.

Not only that, but he is assuming a certain depth to the core. The Flat Earth model's depth to the equivalent core layer is unknown. So if we push the core deeper than the core in the Round Earth model the waves will take longer to propagate into the earth and bounce back to the surface.

Consider this example: Alaska detects P and S waves which extend to North America and Southern South America. With the stations detecting the waves equally apart, the wave should take about twice as long to reach the furthest point than the intermediate point. Yet it detects it in the southern region much sooner though still after the middle region. This is observed in all directions all over the Earth by countless scientists, geologists, hobbyists, etc.

It doesn't matter how long the waves take because those waves were interpreted based on an incorrect Round Earth model. If seismic waves were interpreted on the correct Flat Earth model we can conclude very different results.

Tom, how do seismic waves travel through Antarctica?       

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Tom, these experiments did not use RE interpretation for the results. When seismic waves are detected in locations around the world they are precisely recorded. The time waves take to travel to location in RE and FE are different because you stretched the whole Earth around.

Ask any Seismologist what shape he assumes the earth to be when interpreting his results. Guess what he would say.

Using this assumption, and basic figures for the radius of the round earth, he can time the response of earthquake waves and very easily determine the speed of waves with simple math. If instead the waves are traveling through much more, or less of the earth than assumed in his model, it affects the velocity estimates for various types of earthquake waves. Therefore, the fundamental speed of wave propagation is dependent on the very shape of the earth.

To recapitulate, the Seismologist is making a number of assumptions when interpreting the arrival of distant earthquake waves. Furthermore, the seismologist is assuming a certain density those waves are passing through. He is assuming densities for areas no man has ever seen or explored. Man has never penetrated the crust of the earth.

Not only that, but he is assuming a certain depth to the core. The Flat Earth model's depth to the equivalent core layer is unknown. So if we push the core deeper than the core in the Round Earth model the waves will take longer to propagate into the earth and bounce back to the surface.

Seismic waves can be measured in time delay horizontally over a few short miles (over which curvature is irrelevant) to speed for all measured seismic waves. Thus it can be accurately used to time longer distances. (not perfect but close enough to be irrelevant)

Those densities are calculated based on the direction seismic waves most easily travel through. No assumptions.

Depth of the core is not assumed either. Sheer waves are unable to pass through the core but all around it. Extrapolating its approximate depth and size is a simple function of the timing.

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Consider this example: Alaska detects P and S waves which extend to North America and Southern South America. With the stations detecting the waves equally apart, the wave should take about twice as long to reach the furthest point than the intermediate point. Yet it detects it in the southern region much sooner though still after the middle region. This is observed in all directions all over the Earth by countless scientists, geologists, hobbyists, etc.

It doesn't matter how long the waves take because those waves were interpreted based on an incorrect Round Earth model. If seismic waves were interpreted on the correct Flat Earth model we can conclude very different results.

I did the interpreting just now for RE. After the timing was tested. Shape of the Earth does not effect the reality of timing. The reality of timing reveals the need for curvature.

In addition, seismic activity flows across your 'ice wall' from one side to the other. This could only be possible on a Round Earth.

Tom, how do seismic waves travel through Antarctica?

lol. Beat me to it. nice. 

Where do the Emperor Penguins live (besides the obvious answer of the continent of Antarctica)?

Seismic waves can be measured in time delay horizontally over a few short miles (over which curvature is irrelevant) to speed for all measured seismic waves. Thus it can be accurately used to time longer distances. (not perfect but close enough to be irrelevant)

Those densities are calculated based on the direction seismic waves most easily travel through. No assumptions.

Depth of the core is not assumed either. Sheer waves are unable to pass through the core but all around it. Extrapolating its approximate depth and size is a simple function of the timing.

Seismologists make so many assumptions when studying the arrival of earthquake waves that there is nothing which, directly, tells us the true shape of the earth. The arrival of earthquake waves could be interpreted a million different ways, giving the earth a deeper or shallower distance to the core. Your persistence in arguing this topic without data just shows that you have none.

In addition, seismic activity flows across your 'ice wall' from one side to the other. This could only be possible on a Round Earth.

This does not occur. That's just your incorrect assumption. It will have to be demonstrated with data before you can present it as an argument.

You have no data. Therefore you have no argument.

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/PMSA_24hr.html

OH NOES!!! the great theory is defeated...

or is it?

Where do the Emperor Penguins live (besides the obvious answer of the continent of Antarctica)?

Penguins have an emporer?

I swear, you RE'ers just make stuff up.

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/PMSA_24hr.html

OH NOES!!! the great theory is defeated...

or is it?

That appears to be a bunch of seismic lines on a graph. It does not demonstrate that seismic waves go through Antarctica and come out through the other side.

Fail.

Seismic activity in Antarctica, Tom. The whole continent.

Seismic activity in Antarctica, Tom. The whole continent.

The title of that page says " Data from station PMSA (Palmer Station, Antarctica)."

It's simply a point along the coast.  Palmer Station is located at 64°46' S, 64°03' W, on a protected harbor on the southwestern coast of Anvers Island off the Antarctica Peninsula

Where is it demonstrated that the seismic waves seen in the graph are seen by seismic stations on the other side of Antarctica, opposite to that station?

Where is it demonstrated that the waves are disappearing from one side of Antarctica and reappearing on the other side?

Please explain your logic to me. Slowly.

Tom Bishop, u said theres no proof earths round.  whats ur proof its flat???

Tom Bishop, u said theres no proof earths round.  whats ur proof its flat???

For the love of fuck, click here and read the bollocks hes about to copy, paste and spam for the billionth time and in future read a fucking forum a bit better before jabbing with tiresome questions.

i love fuck. I fuck now. goodnight.

it's infinitely thick, it goes on FOREVER in the "down" direction.

(joke, i'm an RE)

It actually goes on forever in the up and sideways directions.