Here is a response for #37 - 87 from the original thread that you posted them on. As you can see, not a single one of these turned out to be convincing at all. I highly suggest you focus on quality rather than quantity. Here are some of the more common problems that I saw:
1. Assuming refraction doesn't exist. It does.
2. Lack of details/documentation/source.
3. Complete, utter lack of understanding of basic physics.
Here goes...
37. 29+ Lunar Eclipses have been reported while the Sun is in the sky. How can a lunar eclipse happen when the three bodies are not in a straight line? We are given the answer that its because of refraction. Charles Fort would call this attempted positivism and I happen to agree. The necessity to conform all damned facts to orthodoxy is strong within the indoctrinated. Luckily Samuel Rowbotham gives us a simple experiment to debunk this in ENaG.
I'm not sure why refraction doesn't make sense here. Is there a reason this explanation seems implausible to you?
38. The lunar eclipse is red. If this was caused by refraction and rayleigh scattering, we'd see a red tint to the everything during the lunar eclipse. Instead, only the moon is red.
No, there would not be a red tint to everything. Why would you think that? I honestly don't see the logic. I can draw you a diagram as to how it works if you want...
39. The moon is semi-transparent. Many reports historically and in moderns times have been given where one can see stars through the moon.
There are also many reports of dragons, gnomes, fairies, etc. As the internet-old adage goes: pics or it didn't happen.
40. We can see further than expected many places on earth. I get several messages a month from folks in distant areas showing me photographs of locations far beyond the curvature. I myself grew up on Lake Ontario and could see the CN tower far further away than I should have as well as the Toronto Skyline.
Some specifics would be nice. I have yet to see a picture that constitutes evidence against a round earth.
Also, when you saw the CN Tower across Lake Ontario, did you happen to notice that a good portion of the base was behind the horizon? You know, like what we would expect if the earth was round, and definitely NOT what we would expect if the earth is flat?
Please invoke Rowbotham's "true perspective" to explain this. I was thinking of doing a post specifically to debunk this anyway, since so many flat-earth explanations rely on it.
41. Impossibility of South based Circumnavigation.
Huh?
42. No likeness has ever been shown between the Earth and the Heavenly bodies, thus using induction to draw a connection between the Earth and Planets is incorrect and fallacious. (Carpenter)
Easy for you to say, since you automatically deny any evidence that has anything to do with space. Also, this isn't evidence that the earth is flat. It's just a counterargument to a rather weak (IMO) argument for the globe.
43. The only evidence showing curvature is from Big Science.
"Big Science". Haha. Anyway, there is PLENTY of evidence that you can verify for yourself. For starters:
1. South Celestial Pole.
2. Constant size of the moon/sun.
3. The sun sets below the horizon. (I'll do a post soon to dedunk Rowbotham's ridiculous explanation for this.)
Seriously, this stuff gets posted all the time on these forums. How have you not noticed?
44. Commercial air travel routes for the Southern hemisphere are wrong (Sargent)
Bullcrap. Millions of people take these flights. I personally know people that take southern hemisphere flights. They get to where they wanted to go. The times make sense on a globe, but not a flat earth.
45. The surveyor's plans for the first Atlantic Telegraph cable show that in 1665 miles - from Valentia Ireland to St. John's Newfoundland - the surface of the Atlantic ocean is a level surface. (Carpenter)
I'll pass on this one. I don't feel like spending hours right now to verify it. Also, I thought you didn't like appealing to "Big Science" for your evidence. Why does "Big Surveyor" get a pass?
Also, same source (Carpenter) as number 47. Why trust this guy? He is obviously an idiot.
46. Shadows of sticks in various locations show a flat earth with a sun rotating above it (Rowbotham)
Rowbotham had the mathematical competency of a middle school dropout. I don't think I read this one in particular, but I'm sure it will be as bad as the rest of the crap he put out.
47. A gun shot upwards, rather than with or against the curvature, falls near the gun - not a ridiculous distance away due to the movement of the planet. (Carpenter)
I realize that you put a disclaimer at that you didn't necessarily agree with all of these. Can you at least weed out the obviously stupid ones though?
48. Chemtrails do not show curvature. As the pilot travels a constant altitude we would expect them to lie within a plane if the earth is flat, which is what we observe.
For the 8 billionth time. The earth is REALLY big. How much curvature would you expect to see in these "chemtrails" if the earth has a radius of 4000 miles? Please show the math that led you to these conclusions. No guessing, as usual.
49. You can restore the sunken hull of a ship using a telescope. Since telescopes don't peer through a hill of water, the earth must be flat. (Carpenter) This has been replicated by former forum user Tom Bishop.
Pics or it didn't happen. No, Tom Bishop did not replicate this. I was personally involved in quite a long thread asking for Tom Bishop to show his evidence that this happened. He was unable to produce any evidence at all. Go to the "other website" (is the URL still blacklisted?) and look for a thread called "Does the Flat Earth make Verifiable Predictions that differ from the Globe Earth" under the "Flat Earth General" discussion board.
50. Bedford Level Experiment
The problems with this have been pointed out quite a few times. Among them: no pictorial documentation, no reason that the Bedford canal should perfectly conform to the curvature of the earth to begin with, since it is in fact flowing, and last but not least, he did not take into account refraction.
51. The North Star has been seen below the equator more than 20 degrees south. (Carpenter) This is only possible on a flat earth.
Pics or it didn't happen.
Also, "Carpenter" is your source. The same genius you sourced for number 47.
52. Piccard's testimony about the shape of the earth as the first man to the atmosphere.
I assume in his "testimony" he claimed the horizon looked flat? How curved would you expect the horizon to be at his altitude? Show us the math please. No guessing, as usual.
53. The Nile flows 1000 miles with a drop of only 1 foot (Dubay)
Ok... so? Also, which thousand miles? From where to where?
54. The sun is self luminated. The nature of light from the moon is distinctly different from that of the sun. This is impossible in the globe model.
Different how? The light reflects off the moon. Obviously not every wavelength is going to be reflected. You are going to have to be more specific than that.
55. The bible agrees with 54
Debatable, but irrelevant regardless.
56. The sun in the North Pole is weaker than that in the South. This is consistent with flat earth theory.
What?? Just... what? So many questions...
1. According to whom?
2. I thought you don't believe in the South Pole. How do you know it's weaker?
3. Why does the flat earth model predict a weaker sun in the North? If anything, it seems like it would be STRONGER in the North.
57. Weather balloons routinely show a flat earth unless distorted by the lense - often we'll see this happen as it appears concave/convex/ and flat alternating. There is no law of optics that would allow a body to appear flat if it was indeed round.
First of all, the exact same "law of optics" that allows flat things to appear curved can cause curved things to appear flat. Obviously. Granted, if it appears continuously flat regardless of orientation, then you can be fairly sure it is actually flat. That being said, I've seen a lot of these pictures of a "flat" horizon from a high altitude balloon. They all turn out to be consistent with a round earth. Simple math is the bane of flat earthers.
Let's see numbers. And pictures. How curved do you expect it to be given the altitude?
58. The walls of tall buildings can be found to be parallel.
To what degree of precision? Based on the curvature of the earth, how divergent do you expect them to be? Math people, math! Stop the guessing!
59. As often as not the Foucault pendulum travels the incorrect direction!
[citation needed]
I wouldn't be surprised if some low budget, hobbiest foucalt pendulums swung the wrong way. It only takes a tiny nudge when released to disrupt it.
60. We are too small to see curvature yet boats can be seen to dip below a hill of water.
Congrats! You found proof of curvature! As to why this happens...
Have you ever tried picking out a straight piece of wood? When looking at it horizontally, it will look fine. But as soon as you look at it lengthwise (like looking down a rifle), you notice every tiny imperfection. Hopefully this gives you an intuitive sense of why we can notice curvature lengthwise, but not horizontally along the horizon. There are also a few other technical/mathy reasons that don't apply to the wood analogy, but we can go into more detail elsewhere if you want.
61. Lake Baikal, Siberia - 400 Miles long. One of the flattest places on earth.
Cool. Yes, it curves along with the earth just like every other lake. Do you have some evidence that it doesn't or something?
62. Danyang-Kunshan Grand Bridge, China. 102.4 Mile long bridge does not compensate properly for the curvature of the earth.
This was thoroughly debunked on the "other site". You can look it up. The gist of it is: the alleged damning picture wasn't showing the full 102.4 mile length. There was also some confusion between 2 different bridges and sections of those bridges.
63. The Erego Light in Norway is 154 feet above water and visible from 28 miles - it should be 230 feet below the horizon.
Oh goodie, another one. Let's see the photo and the numbers. Be sure to include the location the photo was taken from. Also, yes, refraction does happen. Also also, is this another one of those photos that "debunks" the globe by showing the base of an object hidden behind the horizon? You know, that thing that would happen if the earth was a globe, but not if it was flat?
64. Curvature has not been seen at heights of 38,000 ft
This is getting repetitive. How much curvature do you expect to see at 38,000 feet? Show the math. Guessing is not helpful.
65. The vacuum of space would rip the gas off our planet
Of course it would, if you assume gravity doesn't exist. Luckily, gravity
does exist. You can tell by how stuff tends to come back down after you throw it up.
Technical explanation:
A vacuum doesn't technically exert a force on a gas. Gas is pushed towards the vacuum by the pressure of the gas behind it. Gravity balances out this pressure. For a static atmosphere, the pressure gradient at a particular location is proportional to the strength of gravity at that location.
66. No vacuum has ever been created, yet we are to believe space is a vacuum
No
perfect vacuum has ever been created of any significant size. Space isn't a perfect vacuum either.
Even
if space was a perfect vacuum, I don't see how this constitutes proof of anything. There are plenty of things humans can't create that definitely exist.
67. Reflections of the sun on the earths surface
I have no idea how this constitutes proof of anything. More specific please.
68. Rays of light are not parallel when passing through clouds from sun.
Oh good grief. Please filter out the obviously stupid ones. If you
really believe this is good evidence, I'll draw you a diagram with crayons later.
69. At Rock City you can pay to "See Seven States" an impossibility on a round earth.
Math! Do the math! For crying out loud, stop guessing and do the math! Make sure you take into account the elevation of the lookout point, and the elevation of places in the states that you can allegedly see.
70. Wernher Von Braun quotes the firmament on his tomb.
... grasping for straws a bit now, are we?
71. One can routinely see guitars, globes, stuffed animals, ape suits, ping pong paddles and so on on the ISS. Are we really to believe they wasted money bringing up a payload of ape suits?!
Hilarious, but not exactly evidence of the shape of the earth.
72. The locks at Gatun lake would be impossible on a globe.
How so?
73. We have recorded evidence of a missionary reaching the edge of the earth.
Let's see it then...
74. We have hundreds of pictures of the globe, all that look completely different.
I'm glad you finally admit that we have hundreds of pictures of the globe. They tend to look different for a number of reasons:
1. Different cameras
2. Different distances
3. Different cloud cover
4. Different sided of the earth
75. Balcony of the alps you can see for 190 miles - no curvature.
Source? Pics? Math?
76. You can see Rotspitze, Collalto, GroBglockner, Rote Spitze, Sass De Putia and Sass Rigais from the same spot with no curvature. Also Rauchkofel.
Source? Pics? Math?
77. No distortion in reflections in ocean curvature.
Huh? Going to have to be more specific please.
78. Isaiah 66:1 and 1 Samuel 2:8 both describe a flat earth.
Debatable and irrelevant.
79. Mr. Blue Marble distorts his data to give people an 'earth they expect to see'
He openly admitted that it was a constructed image. Why is this relevant?
80. We've caught NASA showing blue screen technology to fake at least one zero gravity water incident on the ISS
Irrelevant.
81. IF earth were rotating at 1,000 MPH while revolving at 66,600 MPH around the sun as the sun is travelling at 450,00 MPH gyroscopes would be going nuts.
Do you really not understand the difference between linear velocity and angular velocity? Don't make me break out the crayons.
82. Long range ballistics don't take into account the shape of the earth or its rotation
[citation needed]
83. Shots of Blue Origin from space and from earth show that curvature is seen at ground level the same as from low earth orbit. This proves curvature seen from space is determined by how it was filmed.
Pics. Math. Please. Goodness.
84. Pyramid (and monolith) complexes in china, mexico, and egypt align to the orion constellation as they know the earth is flat.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but assuming they
do align to Orion...
1. What does Orion have to do with the earth being flat?
2. How do you know this was their reasoning?
3. Why do you think they knew more back then than we do now?
85. Inability to produce a non-distorted antarctic on data sources used by Google Earth.
You are apparently trying to create a non-euclidian model of the earth, and you don't know how projections work? Really?
86. No pilot, ever, has adjusted for the Coriolis effect in any stage of flight. The Earth spins at 1040 miles per hour.
Show the math!!! Have you bothered calculating how strong the Coriolis effect should be on a plane? Stop guessing. Do the math.
87. Lake Pontchartrain Causeway, Metairie, LA - 23.87 miles long with 380 Feet of missing curvature.
Details. Pics.
Evidences 88-120 will be provided next week.
Oh boy, can't wait.
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50 evidences, none of which were worth anything. Quality is more important than quantity. Try finding at least ONE good piece of evidence that you can actually back up and is persuasive.
What's the point of listing hundreds of zippy one liners if none of them hold up to any scrutiny?