Debate: Moon Phases

Where did I say that every photo you showed me will be photoshopped?  I simply asked for photographic evidence that what you were saying was correct.  I assumed that it was clear from context that I meant photos from a reliable source, and not from a confessed photo manipulator or forger.

I am not calling you a liar, nor am I putting you in a no win situation.  I am simply assuming the simpler of two alternatives.  Your alternative is fantastic, but not impossible.  But in order to convince me that you are telling the truth, your evidence must be rock solid.

That first photo you gave me was an admitted forgery.  However I can find nothing against the second one.  Could you provide more information on it (date, time etc.) so I can try to confirm its authenticity?

How does the sun illuminate the bottom of the moon?  Is the moon higher than the sun and if so, the sun would no longer be a spotlight.

Because the the moon is on the other side of the Earth from the spotlight and above the atmosphere, the refraction would have to be something like this:



This is obviously false.

Sorry, the sun could not illuminate the moon in the way you are describing, Tom.

The moon moves in a slow circular pattern around the hub of the earth similar to the sun. Therefore the shadow on the moon will change slightly from day to day, as the angle of the moon differs. At first quarter moon the celestial moon is hung overhead of the observer. This will illuminate approximately one half of the moon's surface; when the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. As the moon moves westward, it becomes located at an angle to the observer whereas its phases will slowly modify, changing to a waxing gibbous.

So Max Fagin, let me summarize what you have said to me thus far. "Show me a picture of the sun and moon together to prove your argument. Any picture you show me is photoshopped. So if you cannot show me a picture then you lose, but if you do show me a picture then you lose because it's fake." Yeah, I think that's a pretty good summary.

Here's another picture. Is it fake too?

Just because someone claims to have witnessed an event which directly contradicts the Round Earth model he is suddenly either lieing or ignorant?...What reason would he have to lie? He's a self proclaimed RE proponent after all.  Suddenly it seems as if you're the one claiming Conspiracy, Max.

Here's a picture I found on the internet. What I saw looked cooler though.

So Max Fagin, let me summarize what you have said to me thus far. "Show me a picture of the sun and moon together to prove your argument. Any picture you show me is photoshopped. So if you cannot show me a picture then you lose, but if you do show me a picture then you lose because it's fake." Yeah, I think that's a pretty good summary.

Here's another picture. Is it fake too?

ok, here's a new argument; if the moon was really as close to the earth as Tom claims, then different people on different part of the earth would see different moon phases at the exact same time!