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bulmabriefs144

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Define Public Domain
« on: September 24, 2024, 04:05:20 PM »
I'll tell you what this is about later. Maybe.

I just want to see here if everyone could tell me if they know the difference between a public domain work and a copyrighted work.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2024, 05:47:27 PM »
Quote from: https://copyright.universityofcalifornia.edu/use/public-domain.html
The public domain

No permission is needed to copy or use public domain works. A work is generally considered to be within the public domain if it is ineligible for copyright protection or its copyright has expired.

Public domain works can serve as the foundation for new creative works and can be quoted extensively. They can also be copied and distributed to classes or placed on course web pages without permission or paying royalties.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2024, 08:52:21 PM »
And thank you for that honest answer (for once).  I salute you with my fake afro.  O0

Now here's a dishonest one. I attempted to publish one of my books, an edit of a Bible, wherein I basically did the Jefferson Bible treatment (if you don't remember, Thomas Jefferson famously tore out large sections of his Bible and kinda dog-eared it to get his custom version). It's cut, added, and changed in places, though I rarely directly altered the text. Here's an older version.
Preserved for Posterity
My version used the New Heart English Bible, a version where the publisher deliberately released their book to public domain (yes, you can do this). I explained on a few occasions to overzealous reviewers that no, the publisher has released their work into public domain. For both the paperback and hardcover version, they checked it over, decided it could be published.

Then I uploaded for Kindle publish, and after claiming that there might be copyright issues, they instead change their story (lied), and tell me that that I have "incorrectly" designated it as a copyright work, and I need to change it to public domain (so they can steal the rights of course). So it gets blocked. I ask them to reconsider, but they tell me bigger horseshit than you guys tell me about RE on an average day. I showed them instances where the text was different, where I added or removed stuff, or otherwise changed some parts. Instead, they told me (wrongly) that public domain works cannot be made into copyrighted works, that only certain public domain stuff was allowable, and must follow a naming scheme (basically, I would be required to name the book New Heart English Bible: Abridged even though it is in fact different in several ways). Or they told me it was "mostly public domain" and thus I had committed some grave wrong for trying to publish it, and that I had signed a legal (more like unconscionable and unenforceable) document prior to my Amazon KDP account being set up and should have known better than to dare to do this. What the fuck?!? I actually went out of my way to ask permission, and include the original author's information, well beyond what should have been necessary for something public domain. Instead of this being all clear, they used some sort of insane troll logic to rationalize this.

So basically, you and I both understand there is something wrong with this. 

Anyone wanna boycott Amazon this year?
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2024, 05:37:29 PM »
Are you trying to release your work into the public domain, or do you intend to copyright it?  Are you releasing your version with the original name, or under a new name?  Even though the original source is in the public domain, there are still rules if you want to copyright your derivation.
Quote from: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/derivative_work
Derivative works can be created with the permission of the copyright owner or from works in the public domain. In order to receive copyright protection, a derivative work must add a sufficient amount of change to the original work. This distinction varies based on the type of work. For some works, just translating the work into another language will suffice while others may require a new medium. Overall, one cannot simply change a few words in a written work for example to create a derivative work; one must substantially change the content of the work. Along the same lines, a work must incorporate enough of the original work that it obviously stems from the original.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2024, 02:23:52 AM »
I'm not sure why you think you can take someone else's work (which they placed in public domain), change a few bits and then copyright it to yourself, under the same name!

Do you think I can take Macbeth, hack a few shitty bits into it, then release it under copyright with the name Macbeth?

The New Heart English Bible is pretty clear

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New Heart English Bible (NHEB) is not copyrighted and is dedicated to the
Public Domain by the editors and translators.

The NHEB ongoing project has been published since 2007. No one may
copyright the New Heart English Bible (NHEB). No one may trademark the
version name: New Heart English Bible (NHEB). Without changing the text,
you may publish, copy, translate, quote, and use the NHEB freely without
additional permission.

and I'm going to guess they've heard about your attempts to steal their work and copyright it...

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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2024, 10:00:04 PM »
It's a worry you you want to edit any version of the bible, and think that's ok. Anybody would think your a big publishing house.

It's a sacred book which has been copyrighted.

If it is a flat earth edition bible, that you are pushing, then gather all your flat Earth examples from the bible and those that in your opinion also fit, and call it, "The flat earther's bible".

But dont just call it, "The bible."
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2024, 10:27:54 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheLobster on September 26, 2024, 02:23:52 AM

The New Heart English Bible is pretty clear

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New Heart English Bible (NHEB) is not copyrighted and is dedicated to the
Public Domain by the editors and translators.

The NHEB ongoing project has been published since 2007. No one may
copyright the New Heart English Bible (NHEB). No one may trademark the
version name: New Heart English Bible (NHEB). Without changing the text,
you may publish, copy, translate, quote, and use the NHEB freely without
additional permission.

and I'm going to guess they've heard about your attempts to steal their work and copyright it...


That was the copyright info yes, and no, it predated any attempts that I made to change said work.

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Derivative works can be created with the permission of the copyright owner or from works in the public domain. In order to receive copyright protection, a derivative work must add a sufficient amount of change to the original work. This distinction varies based on the type of work. For some works, just translating the work into another language will suffice while others may require a new medium. Overall, one cannot simply change a few words in a written work for example to create a derivative work; one must substantially change the content of the work. Along the same lines, a work must incorporate enough of the original work that it obviously stems from the original.

The issue that I ran into is that the edition that I made wasn't really "changing a few words" but cutting several books out of the Bible and adding three in. The text was (mostly) the same, but the changes involved about 1000 page reduction in text. To give you an idea, this would be like taking a US lawbook and while maintaining the language, turning it into something that could fit into an index card.

Yes, the text might be the same but I gave it a chainsaw chop.

I'd look at the way they compared the text and I'd be like "Uhhhhhh, don't you notice how a few books are missing?"
Same tree? Yes. But is the tree still the same? No.
   
In any case, now I'm trying to edit the text itself. It's going horribly. Bible text is often as clear as mud.

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It's a sacred book which has been copyrighted.

"You shall not take for yourself a graven image..."
To say that a book is sacred is defying the spirit of what the book teaches.
God is sacred. Not the Bible.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2024, 02:55:14 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on October 04, 2024, 01:12:39 PM

I've got a Bible to edit, as per this thread.


How about you start just with the basics of any spirituality and healing your soul by not posting lies and falsely claiming people are nazis because they can demonstrate a more useful model of the earth than FE?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 29, 2024, 05:14:25 AM


Look you. The point is that the current topic was "Why don't you go along with what you're teacher told you?" That is the topic. Then being compared to Nazi locksteppers is uncomfy for you so you tell me that I'm off topic.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 29, 2024, 04:14:18 AM
Hey, kid!

Why don't you salute Adolf Hitler like everyone else? Why aren't you marching in lockstep? Why aren't you buying war bonds? Why aren't you wearing your mask and getting your vaccine? Why aren't you getting chipped and tracked like everyone else? Why aren't you swearing eternal loyalty to ruler of the globe?

You should believe your teacher. Like everyone else.


Or maybe... I don't want to believe my teacher anymore. Maybe something doesn't add up. Maybe I look at the past, and I look at where things seem to be headed, and I say "Enough! I don't think this way anymore. I don't pretend to have all the answers (not even remotely), but I know this doesn't work. We can't just sit here not questioning what we are told, not when we have seen what the future could be." And you can literally put a globe in the sink and watch no water gravitate towards it. The globe in fact will be ruined.

If you think this is comedy, you're obviously watching the wrong show. It's my attempt at trying to prevent tragedy. If you are a student of drama, you know that tragedy always traditionally involved hubris. A strong man is confident in their path, and they end up dooming themselves and/or those all around them. If everyone is sure of the model provided by globalism, we march straight towards dystopia.

Wake up and snap out of it! Maybe your decision is still to believe Earth is a globe. But that ought to be your decision. Not decided by your teacher.

Science was never about lockstep. Great scientists like Tesla, Pasteur, even Galileo and Copernicus, they questioned the majority. Accepting the consensus on climate change is NASAism. Sorry, there's a problem with my pronunciation.

Yeah, that.



Bulma.  Your soul has a serious sickness.  I think you be better off just working on the basics of just not lying and bringing false accusations against your neighbours.  You have more in common with the great accuser than any blessing.  Bulma just keep on being a tool and ignore who is using you as a tool.   .
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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2024, 02:59:21 PM »
Bulma?  Don’t you claim to be an artist of sorts?

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Do you bother to even try to understand where your pitures come from?


Below. The oldest link found by tineye. - First found on Oct 10, 2016




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About me... I am employed in a workshop for disabled people, and work as a freelance journalist at a daily newspaper. My paperwork includes reporting on municipal and local political issues in our community.

Hobbies are of course photo snapping... and writing... and more...

It takes time to take pictures... if you don't have time, you can take pictures.

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Bulma your always high jacking other artistes pictures and photos without ever taking any effort to credit them.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2024, 08:11:55 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on October 04, 2024, 10:27:54 AM





How do you talk about morality.  And yet repeatedly don’t cite and source credit to other people’s work.

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In photos: see old-growth go from stand to stump on B.C.’s Vancouver Island

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When old-growth forests are logged, they cannot be replicated with tree replanting. “Old-growth forests are essentially non-renewable resources,” Watt said. Photo: TJ Watt

Bulma, it seems more and more your a bottom feeder. 
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2024, 11:48:01 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on October 04, 2024, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: JimmyTheLobster on September 26, 2024, 02:23:52 AM

The New Heart English Bible is pretty clear

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New Heart English Bible (NHEB) is not copyrighted and is dedicated to the
Public Domain by the editors and translators.

The NHEB ongoing project has been published since 2007. No one may
copyright the New Heart English Bible (NHEB). No one may trademark the
version name: New Heart English Bible (NHEB). Without changing the text,
you may publish, copy, translate, quote, and use the NHEB freely without
additional permission.

and I'm going to guess they've heard about your attempts to steal their work and copyright it...


That was the copyright info yes, and no, it predated any attempts that I made to change said work.

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Derivative works can be created with the permission of the copyright owner or from works in the public domain. In order to receive copyright protection, a derivative work must add a sufficient amount of change to the original work. This distinction varies based on the type of work. For some works, just translating the work into another language will suffice while others may require a new medium. Overall, one cannot simply change a few words in a written work for example to create a derivative work; one must substantially change the content of the work. Along the same lines, a work must incorporate enough of the original work that it obviously stems from the original.

The issue that I ran into is that the edition that I made wasn't really "changing a few words" but cutting several books out of the Bible and adding three in. The text was (mostly) the same, but the changes involved about 1000 page reduction in text. To give you an idea, this would be like taking a US lawbook and while maintaining the language, turning it into something that could fit into an index card.

Yes, the text might be the same but I gave it a chainsaw chop.

I'd look at the way they compared the text and I'd be like "Uhhhhhh, don't you notice how a few books are missing?"
Same tree? Yes. But is the tree still the same? No.
   
In any case, now I'm trying to edit the text itself. It's going horribly. Bible text is often as clear as mud.

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It's a sacred book which has been copyrighted.

"You shall not take for yourself a graven image..."
To say that a book is sacred is defying the spirit of what the book teaches.
God is sacred. Not the Bible.

Is the words of God, not sacred, Bulma?

It's the words we are talking about. The words which you stated you've been changing, willy nilly, or putting out of context.

I dont know why you think you have the authority to be doing any changes to a bible. Were you removing parts that refer to earth being a globe? 
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2024, 01:46:57 AM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 24, 2024, 04:05:20 PM


I just want to see here if everyone could tell me if they know the difference between a public domain work and a copyrighted work.

You supposedly being an artist.  I would think being more concerned with giving proper credit to other’s intellectual property would override you trying to skate around law and moral responsibilities.

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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2024, 07:11:46 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on October 04, 2024, 10:27:54 AM
The issue that I ran into is that the edition that I made wasn't really "changing a few words" but cutting several books out of the Bible and adding three in. The text was (mostly) the same, but the changes involved about 1000 page reduction in text. To give you an idea, this would be like taking a US lawbook and while maintaining the language, turning it into something that could fit into an index card.

Yes, the text might be the same but I gave it a chainsaw chop.
Since you aren't really adding any of your own thoughts or words, then I don't see how you can claim a copyright on otherwise public domain material.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on October 04, 2024, 10:27:54 AM
In any case, now I'm trying to edit the text itself. It's going horribly. Bible text is often as clear as mud.
Perhaps you should take a few years and actually study the material before you feel arrogant enough to edit it.  At a bare minimum, I would suggest a local Bible study group.  Just about any church should have one or be able to point you to one.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2024, 04:14:41 AM »
Quote from: markjo on October 10, 2024, 07:11:46 PM
  At a bare minimum, I would suggest a local Bible study group.  Just about any church should have one or be able to point you to one.


Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on August 13, 2022, 03:40:52 AM

 It is only when we don't let them demons win, as my father once told me (he's a priest, but he has a pragmatic interpretation of demons as psychological disorder) that we are able to affect any positive change.

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Deuteronomy 4:2
New International Version
2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

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Deuteronomy 4:2 in all English translations

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Revelation 22:18-19
New International Version
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

Read full chapter


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%204%3A2%2CRevelation%2022%3A18-19&version=NIV



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James 3:1
New International Version
Taming the Tongue

3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

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James 3:1 in all English translations

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%203%3A1&version=NIV

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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2024, 08:22:15 AM »
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Since you aren't really adding any of your own thoughts or words, then I don't see how you can claim a copyright on otherwise public domain material.

That's the thing, I am. I'm adding actual new content in, and cutting away old stuff or summarizing. I'm also hauling about alot of public domain garbage though.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282566870620311603/1294142143190929438/GospelMerge.odt?ex=6709ef4a&is=67089dca&hm=40146be2c356a4096aaef6e2bd01e058939fb4de9335a8bd08ea0d7fffa08fc2&

Compare this to Matthew, Mark, or Luke (or John). You might notice that it's strictly speaking not like any of them. It has the text reordered, in much the same way as I can reshuffle the sentence "Only you can prevent forest fires" into "Forest fires can prevent Only You."

In some cases, the geographical locations were omitted (or outright changed). In some cases, I added details that weren't in the original text because drama. I'll let you decide. But as for me, there already hard job of reorganizing with the job of figuring out how to change every word (or something similar) so that no Bible is similar.
 
Did I add or change content? Yes, I did. But far more significant was abridging and reorganization efforts. 

How are Matthew, Mark, and Luke different? Is it different words? No, the vocabulary bank is the same. It's mainly different order of events, and changes in details.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2024, 02:18:34 AM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on October 11, 2024, 08:22:15 AM
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Since you aren't really adding any of your own thoughts or words, then I don't see how you can claim a copyright on otherwise public domain material.

That's the thing, I am. I'm adding actual new content in, and cutting away old stuff or summarizing. I'm also hauling about alot of public domain garbage though.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282566870620311603/1294142143190929438/GospelMerge.odt?ex=6709ef4a&is=67089dca&hm=40146be2c356a4096aaef6e2bd01e058939fb4de9335a8bd08ea0d7fffa08fc2&

Compare this to Matthew, Mark, or Luke (or John). You might notice that it's strictly speaking not like any of them. It has the text reordered, in much the same way as I can reshuffle the sentence "Only you can prevent forest fires" into "Forest fires can prevent Only You."

In some cases, the geographical locations were omitted (or outright changed). In some cases, I added details that weren't in the original text because drama. I'll let you decide. But as for me, there already hard job of reorganizing with the job of figuring out how to change every word (or something similar) so that no Bible is similar.
 
Did I add or change content? Yes, I did. But far more significant was abridging and reorganization efforts. 

How are Matthew, Mark, and Luke different? Is it different words? No, the vocabulary bank is the same. It's mainly different order of events, and changes in details.

The books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, like all the other disciples, are like Police witness statements for a major event. The life of Jesus was a major event, was it not?

As witnesses, they each notice different things, have slightly different experiences, and use different words.

From that perspective, respect them, and leave them as they are.

Unless you are making a condensed, or paraphrased mini bible for those who dont want to read the whole thing and just want the dot points?
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2024, 01:58:59 PM »
Just to add to this high quality thread...

Removing or adding text, even if you don't change the other existing text, is still altering.

For example:
Take A Christmas Carol.  Remove the chapter about Christmas Future.  The book then changes in its message, story, and context.
Now remove only the final chapter, cutting it off where he's shown his grave by the ghost of Christmases yet to come.  He see's his grave, book ends.  Totally different ending means the message of the story or its interpretation ends.  Now we all just assume he died.


In your example of law: By removing large chunks of it, you destroy links, context, and additions that were added later.  It would be like removing half of the 2nd Amendment.  It would change the meaning based on which half you cut off.


So yes, cutting books IS editing the text.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2025, 06:19:37 PM »
Bulma, you tried to copyright the bible in your name?

Do we need to ask if you are going to hell?
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2025, 06:51:31 AM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on September 24, 2024, 08:52:21 PM
Anyone wanna boycott Amazon this year?

I never made an account there and hope to never make one there.

As for the copyright, I think that parts of public domain works could be used in copyrighted works, as long as most of the work is the author's own work, or has been transformed sufficiently.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2025, 12:15:04 PM »
Get a lawyer. I opt for the legal insurance through my work specifically for small questions like these. My gut says though its their playground and they can do what they want with their slide.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2025, 04:18:11 PM »
Who would I sue though? God? All the human writers are dead. I can't ask permission.

So if public domain is viewed is unable to publish due to stupid Amazon rules, I'm stuck.  This is why I'm trying to rewrite as much as possible.
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Re: Define Public Domain
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2025, 01:11:26 AM »
Quote from: Username on May 08, 2025, 12:15:04 PM
Get a lawyer. I opt for the legal insurance through my work specifically for small questions like these. My gut says though its their playground and they can do what they want with their slide.
Legal assistance can indeed save a lot of time and money down the line, navigating fair use, patents, and copyrights is also tricky since different usage is treated differently, laws vary.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on May 14, 2025, 04:18:11 PM
So if public domain is viewed is unable to publish due to stupid Amazon rules, I'm stuck.  This is why I'm trying to rewrite as much as possible.
If public domain was whatever was banned on Amazon, then information about how to make less than legal substances can't be copyrighted?

The pharmaceutical industry probably has the knowledge to make heavily restricted (and sometimes no longer legal) compounds, yet there are many limits on how they can use that knowledge. If that knowledge is then made public by an insider, the company can prepare to claim damages, maybe even reputational damages.
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