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antipodean

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« on: August 08, 2006, 05:03:38 AM »
Flat Earthers, please tell me, is the horizon I see so clearly actually real?

If the horizon is an optical illusion caused by the non-transparent atmosphere, why does it behave just as if the round world is dropping away?

Why can microwave radio signals only reach the visible horizon? Why can someone beyond the visible horizon receive such a signal if they raise their antenna on a mast to a height that is in line with the radio beam in the Round Earth model, but well above the beam in the Flat Earth model?

Why can I not see Mt Everest? It sticks well above the thickness of the atmosphere.
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antipodean

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 12:42:43 AM »
Bump.
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peter

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 01:24:20 AM »
not real as such, but just the edge of what the eye can percieve
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 02:06:36 PM »
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not real as such, but just the edge of what the eye can percieve


any better answers?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 02:38:08 PM »
It is the correct answer, does that matter?
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 07:15:23 PM »
Why is the eye limited in what it can perceive?
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 07:17:49 PM »
Your eye doesn't have the ability to view infinite distances.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 07:19:44 PM »
especially thorugh not-perfectly-clear mediums.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 07:52:07 PM »
Then why can you see the sun BEHIND the horizon when it goes under?
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An_Atheist

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 12:37:58 AM »
and why can you also see stars very low on the horizon? those stars are really really far away you know.
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antipodean

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 04:03:47 AM »
And why is the horizon pretty much the same distance away in:
    radio
    Infra red
    visible light
    ultra violet
The atmosphere is of different transparancy to each of those.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 06:01:53 AM »
And why does the horizon move predictably away when you climb a hill. Why is the horizon further away on a smoggy day with the air pressure at 1040 millibars than on a clear day with air pressure at 1010 millibars?
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 06:23:53 AM »
All these questions, one answer, the Earth is a sphere!
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The Brick

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2006, 06:31:04 AM »
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All these questions, one answer, the Earth is a sphere!

Shh! Don not make them ignore the questions because \'someone is acting retarted so I am not taking this seriously\'.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2006, 07:08:51 AM »
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And why does the horizon move predictably away when you climb a hill. Why is the horizon further away on a smoggy day with the air pressure at 1040 millibars than on a clear day with air pressure at 1010 millibars?


Higher up, the atmosphere is thinner and therefore more transparent.

Smog is less transparent than air.
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The Brick

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2006, 07:12:29 AM »
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And why does the horizon move predictably away when you climb a hill. Why is the horizon further away on a smoggy day with the air pressure at 1040 millibars than on a clear day with air pressure at 1010 millibars?


Higher up, the atmosphere is thinner and therefore more transparent.

Smog is less transparent than air.

The first doesn nott answer a single question, the second would explain the contrary of the statement and you ignored a question.
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antipodean

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 04:21:11 AM »
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And why does the horizon move predictably away when you climb a hill. Why is the horizon further away on a smoggy day with the air pressure at 1040 millibars than on a clear day with air pressure at 1010 millibars?


Higher up, the atmosphere is thinner and therefore more transparent.

Smog is less transparent than air.


My point exactly: 20m up on a smoggy day, with high air pressure, the horizon should be closer according to the FE theory (in comparison to 20m lower on a clear day with low air pressure).

In actuality, you can see further from 20m higher on a smoggy day with high air pressure than you can from 20m lower on a clear day etc.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2006, 04:33:10 AM »
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not real as such, but just the edge of what the eye can percieve


According to the FE theory, the sun and moon (and probably stars) are "spotlights". However, these spotlights have to be further away than the horizon.

How can we see them?
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antipodean

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2006, 04:46:17 AM »
Their standard answer is the atmosphere's thinner in the straight up direction than in the across direction.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2006, 05:05:56 AM »
Quote from: "antipodean"
Their standard answer is the atmosphere's thinner in the straight up direction than in the across direction.


You can still see the sun, stars and moon when looking across.
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An_Atheist

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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2006, 05:52:32 AM »
exactly. when anything is low on the horizon, you can still see it. the sun, the moon, stars.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2006, 07:51:29 AM »
I would think an obvious reason you could see stars and not beyond our radius of vision would be that stars produce a magnificent amount of light in comparison with our (non-luminous) Earth.
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