...I read this whole thread, and all I've seen is talk about barrels, and water falling off the earth.
EDIT: Oh, I'm sorry, you want me to read the WHOLE FORUM. Well, can you give me a link to perhaps make it easier? Or do you want me to continue looking for a thread that doesn't exists so I can say "Well, I cant find it", and you can happily respond "well, it's there and it has all the answers."
All this forum is is what RE's and FE's consider to be proof on their sides.