The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: FlatAllTheWay on November 12, 2014, 07:47:44 PM
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To celebrate today's landing of a space craft on a comet, Google has a doodle on their home page with the caption "First controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus". So clearly Google believes that rockets, space travel, comets, gravity, orbits, satellites, and the roundness of Earth are all real things.
So in one corner we have the collective intelligence of thousands of Google engineers and scientists who believe in these things. In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
Only one of these parties can be correct. Hmm... JROA and company or Google engineers. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go with the Google guys.
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
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To celebrate today's landing of a space craft on a comet, Google has a doodle on their home page with the caption "First controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus". So clearly Google believes that rockets, space travel, comets, gravity, orbits, satellites, and the roundness of Earth are all real things.
So in one corner we have the collective intelligence of thousands of Google engineers and scientists who believe in these things. In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
Only one of these parties can be correct. Hmm... JROA and company or Google engineers. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go with the Google guys.
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
With geniuses such as sceptimatic , who has 13 degrees, how can there be any doubt that the FE's are better than all of the Google engineers ?
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To celebrate today's landing of a space craft on a comet, Google has a doodle on their home page with the caption "First controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus". So clearly Google believes that rockets, space travel, comets, gravity, orbits, satellites, and the roundness of Earth are all real things.
So in one corner we have the collective intelligence of thousands of Google engineers and scientists who believe in these things. In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
Only one of these parties can be correct. Hmm... JROA and company or Google engineers. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go with the Google guys.
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
With geniuses such as sceptimatic , who has 13 degrees, how can there be any doubt that the FE's are better than all of the Google engineers ?
I believe he said that he has 13 academic credentials, not 13 degrees. I know you like to make stuff up in your head, but at least put a disclaimer in your sig or something that says that what you type is not necessarily reality.
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the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
wait... what??
The next time I look at a Google Doodle I will think. Wow what a marvel of engineering.
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Very few smart people here.
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To celebrate today's landing of a space craft on a comet, Google has a doodle on their home page with the caption "First controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus". So clearly Google believes that rockets, space travel, comets, gravity, orbits, satellites, and the roundness of Earth are all real things.
So in one corner we have the collective intelligence of thousands of Google engineers and scientists who believe in these things. In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
Only one of these parties can be correct. Hmm... JROA and company or Google engineers. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go with the Google guys.
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
What in the hell is a google engineer?
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An engineer who works for Google.
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To celebrate today's landing of a space craft on a comet, Google has a doodle on their home page with the caption "First controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus". So clearly Google believes that rockets, space travel, comets, gravity, orbits, satellites, and the roundness of Earth are all real things.
So in one corner we have the collective intelligence of thousands of Google engineers and scientists who believe in these things. In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
Only one of these parties can be correct. Hmm... JROA and company or Google engineers. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go with the Google guys.
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
What in the hell is a google engineer?
You should google it.
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I believe he said that he has 13 academic credentials, not 13 degrees. I know you like to make stuff up in your head, but at least put a disclaimer in your sig or something that says that what you type is not necessarily reality.
Absolutely correct jroa.
sceptimatic did claim to have 13 academic credentials (not degrees), but refused to identify them in any way whatsoever. He wouldn't even name a couple of them in order to substantiate this claim. Anybody with legitimate qualifications should be prepared to name them if they use the alleged possession of those qualifications as some sort of appeal to authority—as sceptimatic did at that time.
Do you accept sceptimatic's academic claims jroa, and if so what evidence do you have in support of those claims?
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jroa, since I paid you the honor of featuring your name in the topic's title, I thought you might reply. Do you not have any response to the original post?
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What in the hell is a google engineer?
Is there anything on this planet that you know at least something about sceptimatc? How can it be that you know so little about so much?
From Google's home page:
"Google is and always will be an engineering company. We hire people with a broad set of technical skills who are ready to tackle some of technology’s greatest challenges and make an impact on millions, if not billions, of users. At Google, software, hardware, network, test and site reliability engineers not only revolutionize search, they routinely work on massive scalability and storage solutions, large-scale applications and entirely new platforms for developers around the world. From AdWords to Chrome, Android to YouTube, Social to Local, Google engineers and designers are changing the world one technological advance after another".
15 seconds research. Try it and be amazed. ::)
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What in the hell is a google engineer?
Is there anything on this planet that you know at least something about sceptimatc? How can it be that you know so little about so much?
From Google's home page:
"Google is and always will be an engineering company. We hire people with a broad set of technical skills who are ready to tackle some of technology’s greatest challenges and make an impact on millions, if not billions, of users. At Google, software, hardware, network, test and site reliability engineers not only revolutionize search, they routinely work on massive scalability and storage solutions, large-scale applications and entirely new platforms for developers around the world. From AdWords to Chrome, Android to YouTube, Social to Local, Google engineers and designers are changing the world one technological advance after another".
15 seconds research. Try it and be amazed. ::)
Oh, ok. So Bing, Opera, firefox andall the rest are just engineering companies that know all the answers to everything. Got it. Who needs NASA, eh? ;D
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What in the hell is a google engineer?
Is there anything on this planet that you know at least something about sceptimatc? How can it be that you know so little about so much?
From Google's home page:
"Google is and always will be an engineering company. We hire people with a broad set of technical skills who are ready to tackle some of technology’s greatest challenges and make an impact on millions, if not billions, of users. At Google, software, hardware, network, test and site reliability engineers not only revolutionize search, they routinely work on massive scalability and storage solutions, large-scale applications and entirely new platforms for developers around the world. From AdWords to Chrome, Android to YouTube, Social to Local, Google engineers and designers are changing the world one technological advance after another".
15 seconds research. Try it and be amazed. ::)
Oh, ok. So Bing, Opera, firefox andall the rest are just engineering companies that know all the answers to everything. Got it. Who needs NASA, eh? ;D
You do realize that Google is more than just a company that operates a search engine. Right? I hope...
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Oh, ok. So Bing, Opera, firefox and all the rest are just engineering companies that know all the answers to everything. Got it.
Why is it that flat earthers rely so frequently on straw man arguments? ;D
And as you were obviously prepared to read my comment and take the time to respond to it sceptimatic, is there any particular reason that you didn't take 30 seconds longer and list a few of your alleged academic qualifications.
In the past (as you're aware) I've called your bluff on this qualifications issue several times, and you've never been able to provide even a few of the thirteen you claim. So I called you a liar then, and I'm calling you a liar again here.
I challenge you to prove my claim false. But I'm still betting you won't... or can't LOL.
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jroa, since I paid you the honor of featuring your name in the topic's title, I thought you might reply. Do you not have any response to the original post?
You mean this?
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
What? I did not respond because I thought this might be a joke or something. Are you seriously claiming that a Google Doodle proves that we landed on something? You do realize that Google is not the one claiming to have landed on a comet, right? They simply drew a cartoon of what NASA is claiming.
This is sort of like saying, "Hey, my son drew a picture of a dragon. This proves that dragons exist!"
Do you see how ridiculous your post is?
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jroa, since I paid you the honor of featuring your name in the topic's title, I thought you might reply. Do you not have any response to the original post?
You mean this?
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
What? I did not respond because I thought this might be a joke or something. Are you seriously claiming that a Google Doodle proves that we landed on something? You do realize that Google is not the one claiming to have landed on a comet, right? They simply drew a cartoon of what NASA is claiming.
This is sort of like saying, "Hey, my son drew a picture of a dragon. This proves that dragons exist!"
Do you see how ridiculous your post is?
The fact that Google drew a doodle of a comet is not proof of anything. It's merely an indication that Google engineers believe that ESA really landed on a comet.
If you want completely convincing evidence that Google engineers believe the Earth is round, just look at Google Earth. It is obviously based on the RE model. So Google, the company that might employ more smart engineers and scientists than any other company in the world, believes the world is round. And you, jroa, believe that you are right and all those extremely smart Google engineers are wrong. Correct?
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jroa, since I paid you the honor of featuring your name in the topic's title, I thought you might reply. Do you not have any response to the original post?
You mean this?
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
What? I did not respond because I thought this might be a joke or something. Are you seriously claiming that a Google Doodle proves that we landed on something? You do realize that Google is not the one claiming to have landed on a comet, right? They simply drew a cartoon of what NASA is claiming.
This is sort of like saying, "Hey, my son drew a picture of a dragon. This proves that dragons exist!"
Do you see how ridiculous your post is?
The fact that Google drew a doodle of a comet is not proof of anything. It's merely an indication that Google engineers believe that ESA really landed on a comet.
If you want completely convincing evidence that Google engineers believe the Earth is round, just look at Google Earth. It is obviously based on the RE model. So Google, the company that might employ more smart engineers and scientists than any other company in the world, believes the world is round. And you, jroa, believe that you are right and all those extremely smart Google engineers are wrong. Correct?
Google Earth simply stitches photos together. They could make it a cube if they wanted to.
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Google Earth simply stitches photos together. They could make it a cube if they wanted to.
Once again, you are missing the point. I'm sure you admit that Google engineers and scientists think the Earth is round, right? Don't you feel slightly worried that a whole lot of smart people like that are on one side of the issue, and you and a few whackjobs like Sceptimatic are on the other? Surely this must make you wonder, at least a little bit, if they are right and you are wrong.
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Google Earth simply stitches photos together. They could make it a cube if they wanted to.
Once again, you are missing the point. I'm sure you admit that Google engineers and scientists think the Earth is round, right? Don't you feel slightly worried that a whole lot of smart people like that are on one side of the issue, and you and a few whackjobs like Sceptimatic are on the other? Surely this must make you wonder, at least a little bit, if they are right and you are wrong.
Hear ! Hear ! Enough of this slander and libel FlatAllThe Way!!! Don't you know that jroa and sceptimatic are geniuses who possess all kinds of academic qualifications and are much smarter than all the engineers and scientists in the world ? Of course they are much too modest to post a list of their academic qualifications. That is why they never have posted them. It would just be too much of a boast from them. "Whackjobs" ???!!! The very idea !!!! It's a wonder they haven't sued you and called you into court for calling them "Whackjobs."
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To celebrate today's landing of a space craft on a comet, Google has a doodle on their home page with the caption "First controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus". So clearly Google believes that rockets, space travel, comets, gravity, orbits, satellites, and the roundness of Earth are all real things.
So in one corner we have the collective intelligence of thousands of Google engineers and scientists who believe in these things. In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
Only one of these parties can be correct. Hmm... JROA and company or Google engineers. It's a tough call, but I think I'll go with the Google guys.
So flat earthers: do you really think that you are better at figuring out how the Earth and the universe work than the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
With geniuses such as sceptimatic , who has 13 degrees, how can there be any doubt that the FE's are better than all of the Google engineers ?
I believe he said that he has 13 academic credentials, not 13 degrees. I know you like to make stuff up in your head, but at least put a disclaimer in your sig or something that says that what you type is not necessarily reality.
The generally accepted idea of "academic credentials" is some kind of a diploma showing one's degree in a certain field. Or at least some kind of a certificate showing one's "academic credentials."
But until sceptimatic posts evidence of these I would say that sceptimatic is the one who "makes stuff up in his head....and something that he types is not necessarily reality."
Going back ages ago, it seems now. About my first old post about the ham radio "Moon Bounce" and the computations of the distance from the earth to the moon as approximately 238,150 miles. Do you think, jroa that was just "something I made up in my head and is not necessarily reality" ???
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I believe he said that he has 13 academic credentials, not 13 degrees.
If I recall, he simply said "I have 13.", and didn't follow with the words "academic credentials" or "qualifications" in the same sentence.
It's like the 'professional photographer' situation. He said he was a "professional", and that he had 12 cameras, but he didn't actually say he was a "professional photographer", and later even dared us to show where he claimed so (even though we were discussing photography).
Just because he makes a statement in reply to something, doesn't mean he's talking directly about the same subject. He maybe have momentarily been stating he has 13 lamps throughout his dwelling, or 13 icons on his computer desktop.
Anyway, if his '13' was in fact related to academic concerns, I'm pretty sure the number of tests passed throughout whatever his education consisted of don't count as 'academic qualifications/credentials'.
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Google Earth simply stitches photos together. They could make it a cube if they wanted to.
Once again, you are missing the point. I'm sure you admit that Google engineers and scientists think the Earth is round, right? Don't you feel slightly worried that a whole lot of smart people like that are on one side of the issue, and you and a few whackjobs like Sceptimatic are on the other? Surely this must make you wonder, at least a little bit, if they are right and you are wrong.
Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all. Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else.
How does that make them any more or less qualified than anyone else?
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Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all.
Do you have any viable evidence to support your claim that none of these hundreds of Google engineers spread across numerous disciplines have "never been to space"—or is it nothing more than a guess on your part jroa?
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Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all.
Do you have any viable evidence to support your claim that none of these hundreds of Google engineers spread across numerous disciplines have "never been to space"—or is it nothing more than a guess on your part jroa?
Do you have evidence that any of them have been to space? Surely, it must be easier to prove that some of them have been floating around in a flying trash can than it is to prove they have not. Your move, ausGeoff.
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Google Earth simply stitches photos together. They could make it a cube if they wanted to.
Once again, you are missing the point. I'm sure you admit that Google engineers and scientists think the Earth is round, right? Don't you feel slightly worried that a whole lot of smart people like that are on one side of the issue, and you and a few whackjobs like Sceptimatic are on the other? Surely this must make you wonder, at least a little bit, if they are right and you are wrong.
Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all. Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else.
How does that make them any more or less qualified than anyone else?
Proven measurements of the earth, as you know. Plus travel times.
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Google Earth simply stitches photos together. They could make it a cube if they wanted to.
Once again, you are missing the point. I'm sure you admit that Google engineers and scientists think the Earth is round, right? Don't you feel slightly worried that a whole lot of smart people like that are on one side of the issue, and you and a few whackjobs like Sceptimatic are on the other? Surely this must make you wonder, at least a little bit, if they are right and you are wrong.
Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all. Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else.
How does that make them any more or less qualified than anyone else?
Proven measurements of the earth, as you know. Plus travel times.
When did these Google engineers prove the measurements of the Earth, much less the travel times?
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Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all.
Do you believe that the only way anyone can prove a scientific fact is visually with one's own eyes? Do you think that J.J. Thomson saw electrons with his own eyes when he discovered them in 1897? He did not. He inferred the existence of the electron based on experiments that he performed.
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Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all.
Do you believe that the only way anyone can prove a scientific fact is visually with one's own eyes? Do you think that J.J. Thomson saw electrons with his own eyes when he discovered them in 1897? He did not. He inferred the existence of the electron based on experiments that he performed.
Then, why do you RE'ers constantly try to say things like, "we have seen it from outer space?"
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Then, why do you RE'ers constantly try to say things like, "we have seen it from outer space?"
Oh dear... this is getting tedious. When round earthers say "we" in this sort of scenario, we mean the hundreds of astronauts from all countries over the world who have physically seen the spherical earth from space. "We" as in mankind.
You really need to stop reading things so literally jroa. It's becoming your downfall in these debates.
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Then, why do you RE'ers constantly try to say things like, "we have seen it from outer space?"
Oh dear... this is getting tedious. When round earthers say "we" in this sort of scenario, we mean the hundreds of astronauts from all countries over the world who have physically seen the spherical earth from space. "We" as in mankind.
You really need to stop reading things so literally jroa. It's becoming your downfall in these debates.
How is it my downfall? Is anything that goes against your supposed beliefs a person's downfall?
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Then, why do you RE'ers constantly try to say things like, "we have seen it from outer space?"
Oh dear... this is getting tedious. When round earthers say "we" in this sort of scenario, we mean the hundreds of astronauts from all countries over the world who have physically seen the spherical earth from space. "We" as in mankind.
You really need to stop reading things so literally jroa. It's becoming your downfall in these debates.
How is it my downfall? Is anything that goes against your supposed beliefs a person's downfall?
Stop misinterpreting things jroa. You purposefully take phrases in such a way to be a prick, even when it is clear what another commenter meant. I'm confident that you are capable of understanding what they mean because I actually don't think you're a moron, but that you just take it out of context just to waste everyone's time.
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you just take it out of context just to waste everyone's time.
I am sorry for wasting your time at the Flat Earth Society. I did not realize your time was so valuable. ::)
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you just take it out of context just to waste everyone's time.
I am sorry for wasting your time at the Flat Earth Society. I did not realize your time was so valuable. ::)
touché
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How is it my downfall? Is anything that goes against your supposed beliefs a person's downfall?
Nope. It's not that your beliefs are different than mine jroa. In fact, it's those sorts of differences that keep us both on our toes, and if everyone on the planet agreed absolutely with everyone else, it'd be a pretty boring place to live. It's that you seem to follow a fairly predictable set of traits whenever you're responding to people (not just me, but to all round earthers).
You take things very literally and respond accordingly. You're very pedantic, and often focus your response on one single word of someone's comment. Your responses all to often are rhetorical, and invariably end with a "?". You like to shift the burden of proof, or the onus of providing an answer, back onto the questioner instead of providing an answer of your own. You also seem to willfully ignore the differences between an abstract construct (or a thought experiment) and objective evidence. Or is this all just a game to you? Hmmm?
And I know it's virtually impossible to assess somebody else's nature and motivation from a gazillion 1's and 0's in cyberspace, but that's just how you strike me, particularly, and obviously, as I've never met you.
Having said all that, I'm sure that were we to meet in the real world, we'd probably enjoy chewing the cud over a couple of beers. And I'd guess the conversation about our planet would certainly be a lengthy one LOL. So maybe a dozen or more beers?
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I am the one being tedious, I know.
So I am repeating this since I didn't get an answer the first time. LOL.
"Going back ages ago, it seems now. About my first old post about the ham radio "Moon Bounce" and the computations of the distance from the earth to the moon as approximately 238,150 miles. Do you think, jroa that was just "something I made up in my head and is not necessarily reality." "
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Why do these engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all.
Do you believe that the only way anyone can prove a scientific fact is visually with one's own eyes? Do you think that J.J. Thomson saw electrons with his own eyes when he discovered them in 1897? He did not. He inferred the existence of the electron based on experiments that he performed.
Then, why do you RE'ers constantly try to say things like, "we have seen it from outer space?"
RE'ers say this because numerous astronauts and satellites have seen Earth from outer space. But let's get back to the specific question I just asked and to which you did not respond: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
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If I recall, he simply said "I have 13", and didn't follow with the words "academic credentials" or "qualifications" in the same sentence.
Maybe sceptimatic was referring to active brain cells? Or is that being overly generous considering the evidence to the contrary? ;D
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If I recall, he simply said "I have 13", and didn't follow with the words "academic credentials" or "qualifications" in the same sentence.
Maybe sceptimatic was referring to active brain cells? Or is that being overly generous considering the evidence to the contrary? ;D
Maybe sceptimatic was referring to 13 kindergarten teachers ? But that might be overly generous considering the evidence of the extent of his knowledge ?
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I am the one being tedious, I know.
So I am repeating this since I didn't get an answer the first time. LOL.
"Going back ages ago, it seems now. About my first old post about the ham radio "Moon Bounce" and the computations of the distance from the earth to the moon as approximately 238,150 miles. Do you think, jroa that was just "something I made up in my head and is not necessarily reality." "
As was explained to you numerous times in that thread by numerous people, I think you are simply misinterpreting the data.
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Is there some debate about the the speed of light.
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Is there some debate about the the speed of light.
The speed of light is only constant when the medium it is travelling through remains constant. From the Earth to the moon, the medium is constantly changing.
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Speed of light in air.
air at 0 °C and 1 atm pressure :
about 299704644.53915 metres per second
It only goes through air or vacuum. The difference would make it look further away.
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Are you now claiming that the medium the light is travelling through does not change as the laser travels from the Earth to the moon? Perhaps you would like to argue with your RE scientists?
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
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Are you now claiming that the medium the light is travelling through does not change as the laser travels from the Earth to the moon? Perhaps you would like to argue with your RE scientists?
They are your scientists as well.
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Are you now claiming that the medium the light is travelling through does not change as the laser travels from the Earth to the moon?
Okay. The earth's atmospheric limb is extremely thin in proportion to the total distance from the earth to the moon. 500km versus 384,000 km, or a bit over 0.10 per cent. Therefore any slight variation in the averaged speed of light from the moon is mathematically negligible.
If you disagree with this, can you please calculate exactly how much the speed of light decreases whilst travelling through a hypothetical 500km of air?
Perhaps you would like to argue with your RE scientists?
Your use of the term your "RE scientists" is meaningless jroa. As inquisitive has already pointed out, there is only one type of scientist. When you have a chest X-ray or a blood test or an MRI, do you check to ensure that its supporting science was not developed by a so-called round earth scientist, or are you quite happy to accept round earth science under those conditions?
Put simply, when it comes to the crunch, I'm guessing that you'd be more than happy to fully accept round earth science when it could be a matter of life or death. Or do you demand that all your treating practitioners accept so-called flat earth science before they lay hands on you?
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
My information was obtained from ham radio operators on the "Moon Bounce" operations.
Are you saying that all the ham radio operators are wrong?
And for that matter that all the laser measurements made by the observatories are wrong ?
It seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between 238,150 miles and 3,000 miles ? My math is a bit limited, but it seems to be that one of those figures has to be wrong ?
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
My information was obtained from ham radio operators on the "Moon Bounce" operations.
Are you saying that all the ham radio operators are wrong?
And for that matter that all the laser measurements made by the observatories are wrong ?
It seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between 238,150 miles and 3,000 miles ? My math is a bit limited, but it seems to be that one of those figures has to be wrong ?
This thread is not about moon bounces. That thread died a long time ago. This thread is about me being smarter than Google Engineers.
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jroa, now that you have brought this thread back on topic, please answer my question: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
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jroa, now that you have brought this thread back on topic, please answer my question: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
No, of course not. However, I do believe that you can't just believe everything you are told, even from scientific authorities.
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jroa, now that you have brought this thread back on topic, please answer my question: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
No, of course not. However, I do believe that you can't just believe everything you are told, even from scientific authorities.
I'm glad to hear you don't think we have to see something with out own eyes to believe it's true. But that was your argument earlier in this thread when you said "Why do these [Google] engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all." Then you said "Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else."
So do you believe that although these engineers are smart enough to have created some of the greatest computer programs of all time, when it comes to the shape of the Earth, all of a sudden they become gullible and reluctant to question conventional wisdom? Where do you think Google and the Internet would be if people like Google's engineers didn't constantly question the status quo and push technological and scientific boundaries?
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jroa, now that you have brought this thread back on topic, please answer my question: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
No, of course not. However, I do believe that you can't just believe everything you are told, even from scientific authorities.
I'm glad to hear you don't think we have to see something with out own eyes to believe it's true. But that was your argument earlier in this thread when you said "Why do these [Google] engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all." Then you said "Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else."
So do you believe that although these engineers are smart enough to have created some of the greatest computer programs of all time, when it comes to the shape of the Earth, all of a sudden they become gullible and reluctant to question conventional wisdom? Where do you think Google and the Internet would be if people like Google's engineers didn't constantly question the status quo and push technological and scientific boundaries?
First of all, are you claiming that Google either invented Google Earth or the internet? Because they did not do either.
Secondly, are you claiming that Google Engineers have some sort of knowledge about the shape of the Earth that is not taught to everyone else who has an education? Surely you can't believe this is true.
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jroa, now that you have brought this thread back on topic, please answer my question: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
No, of course not. However, I do believe that you can't just believe everything you are told, even from scientific authorities.
I'm glad to hear you don't think we have to see something with out own eyes to believe it's true. But that was your argument earlier in this thread when you said "Why do these [Google] engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all." Then you said "Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else."
So do you believe that although these engineers are smart enough to have created some of the greatest computer programs of all time, when it comes to the shape of the Earth, all of a sudden they become gullible and reluctant to question conventional wisdom? Where do you think Google and the Internet would be if people like Google's engineers didn't constantly question the status quo and push technological and scientific boundaries?
First of all, are you claiming that Google either invented Google Earth or the internet? Because they did not do either.
Secondly, are you claiming that Google Engineers have some sort of knowledge about the shape of the Earth that is not taught to everyone else who has an education? Surely you can't believe this is true.
Where is that claim? You are twisting statements as usual. Google took over the original company.
Clearly Google Earth engineers will have greater knowledge than that taught in schools, being the professionals in their field.
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jroa, now that you have brought this thread back on topic, please answer my question: do you believe that the only way to prove a scientific fact is to literally see it with your own eyes?
No, of course not. However, I do believe that you can't just believe everything you are told, even from scientific authorities.
I'm glad to hear you don't think we have to see something with out own eyes to believe it's true. But that was your argument earlier in this thread when you said "Why do these [Google] engineers believe they know the shape of the Earth? They have never been to space to see it, after all." Then you said "Oh, that is right, they learned it in school, just like everyone else."
So do you believe that although these engineers are smart enough to have created some of the greatest computer programs of all time, when it comes to the shape of the Earth, all of a sudden they become gullible and reluctant to question conventional wisdom? Where do you think Google and the Internet would be if people like Google's engineers didn't constantly question the status quo and push technological and scientific boundaries?
First of all, are you claiming that Google either invented Google Earth or the internet? Because they did not do either.
Secondly, are you claiming that Google Engineers have some sort of knowledge about the shape of the Earth that is not taught to everyone else who has an education? Surely you can't believe this is true.
As usual, you have attempted to avoid answering the question by asking me for an unnecessary clarification of my question. So here is my question once again:
Do you believe that although these Google engineers are smart enough to have created some of the greatest computer programs of all time, when it comes to the shape of the Earth, all of a sudden they become gullible and reluctant to question conventional wisdom?
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And, once again, I will give you an answer. They know just as much about the shape of the Earth as anyone else who went to college. Do the people who created WoW know more about the shape of the Earth than you or I? Obviously not.
They did not even invent Google Earth. So what is your point?
Why should they be held higher than other engineers? Just because they can stitch photos together to make it seem like a ball? Please...
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And, once again, I will give you an answer. They know just as much about the shape of the Earth as anyone else who went to college. Do the people who created WoW know more about the shape of the Earth than you or I? Obviously not.
They did not even invent Google Earth. So what is your point?
Why should they be held higher than other engineers? Just because they can stitch photos together to make it seem like a ball? Please...
Why would they not know more about a subject after working in it for many years after college?
The company that invented Google Earth was taken over by Google. It matters not if it was invented by Google or became Google later. The intellectual property now belongs to Google.
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And, once again, I will give you an answer. They know just as much about the shape of the Earth as anyone else who went to college. Do the people who created WoW know more about the shape of the Earth than you or I? Obviously not.
They did not even invent Google Earth. So what is your point?
Why should they be held higher than other engineers? Just because they can stitch photos together to make it seem like a ball? Please...
My point is this: Google engineers are very smart people and they believe the Earth is round. You believe the Earth is flat. You can't both be right. So either the Google engineers are gullible/stupid or you are. Which is it?
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
My information was obtained from ham radio operators on the "Moon Bounce" operations.
Are you saying that all the ham radio operators are wrong?
And for that matter that all the laser measurements made by the observatories are wrong ?
It seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between 238,150 miles and 3,000 miles ? My math is a bit limited, but it seems to be that one of those figures has to be wrong ?
This thread is not about moon bounces. That thread died a long time ago. This thread is about me being smarter than Google Engineers.
This thread is about who is the liar.
Either the moon bouncers and google engineers are wrong and are liars . I was speaking for the ham radio operators and jroa is saying I am wrong in quoting their results.
Or that jroa is wrong and is a liar in claiming he is smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world.
The more jroa gets backed into a corner, the funnier it gets. LOL.
I think you should quit, jroa, while you are still ahead.....Well maybe you should quit before you get much further behind.
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
My information was obtained from ham radio operators on the "Moon Bounce" operations.
Are you saying that all the ham radio operators are wrong?
And for that matter that all the laser measurements made by the observatories are wrong ?
It seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between 238,150 miles and 3,000 miles ? My math is a bit limited, but it seems to be that one of those figures has to be wrong ?
This thread is not about moon bounces. That thread died a long time ago. This thread is about me being smarter than Google Engineers.
This thread is about who is the liar. Either the moon bouncers and and google engineers are liars and jroa is smarter than they are. Or that jroa is a liar in claiming he is smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world.
lol, I never claimed that I was smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world. Perhaps you are having one of your dementia episodes?
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
My information was obtained from ham radio operators on the "Moon Bounce" operations.
Are you saying that all the ham radio operators are wrong?
And for that matter that all the laser measurements made by the observatories are wrong ?
It seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between 238,150 miles and 3,000 miles ? My math is a bit limited, but it seems to be that one of those figures has to be wrong ?
This thread is not about moon bounces. That thread died a long time ago. This thread is about me being smarter than Google Engineers.
This thread is about who is the liar. Either the moon bouncers and and google engineers are liars and jroa is smarter than they are. Or that jroa is a liar in claiming he is smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world.
lol, I never claimed that I was smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world. Perhaps you are having one of your dementia episodes?
Unacceptable personal reply.
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As I always do I will real slow jroa. Between here and the moon there is some air and some vacuum. Light goes a little slower in air. This would make the round trip time longer, ie not good for 3000 mile trip. Tripping was fun a long time ago, have fun.
I am glad that you agree with me that Googleotomy is wrong. Thanks.
My information was obtained from ham radio operators on the "Moon Bounce" operations.
Are you saying that all the ham radio operators are wrong?
And for that matter that all the laser measurements made by the observatories are wrong ?
It seems to me that there is a bit of a difference between 238,150 miles and 3,000 miles ? My math is a bit limited, but it seems to be that one of those figures has to be wrong ?
This thread is not about moon bounces. That thread died a long time ago. This thread is about me being smarter than Google Engineers.
This thread is about who is the liar. Either the moon bouncers and and google engineers are liars and jroa is smarter than they are. Or that jroa is a liar in claiming he is smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world.
lol, I never claimed that I was smarter than all the other combined engineers and scientists in the world. Perhaps you are having one of your dementia episodes?
I think jroa must have a continuous dementia episode. Enough. LOL.
OK. Let's just narrow it down to jroa and the google engineers as to who is the smarter.
As the question has been asked "Which is it ?" ....Or "Who" is it ?
Who is right and who is wrong ?
As for that 238,150-vs-3,000. All the evidence that you have for the 3,000 is from a source from a person of questionable validity from the 1850's.
PS- Maybe another poll should be started ?
Who is the smarter ?
jroa ?
sceptimatic ?
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Maybe another poll should be started ?
Who is the smarter ?
jroa ?
sceptimatic ?
No contest. sceptimatic has the IQ of a can of sardines.
;D
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Maybe another poll should be started ?
Who is the smarter ?
jroa ?
sceptimatic ?
No contest. sceptimatic has the IQ of a can of sardines.
;D
Have a care, sir ! I consider that a direct insult to a can of sardines !
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Maybe another poll should be started ?
Who is the smarter ?
jroa ?
sceptimatic ?
No contest. sceptimatic has the IQ of a can of sardines.
;D
Have a care, sir ! I consider that a direct insult to a can of sardines !
lol
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Maybe another poll should be started ?
Who is the smarter ?
jroa ?
sceptimatic ?
No contest. sceptimatic has the IQ of a can of sardines.
;D
Have a care, sir ! I consider that a direct insult to a can of sardines !
Sorry; my bad. I unreservedly apologise for besmirching the intellectual capabilities of sardines the world over.
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You guys do realise Jora is actually a troll? Look at his earliest posts, he's clearly not a flatty.
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You guys do realise Jora is actually a troll? Look at his earliest posts, he's clearly not a flatty.
LOL, A whole community of conspiracy theorists apparently lead by trolls. That would explain a lot actually.
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In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
You're making the assumption that people working at Google are smart. I know more than a few, and while they aren't totally vapid, they are not what I would call "very smart".
the people that form the company that has done some of the greatest engineering work in human history?
That's...just no. No, they haven't. At all. Not even remotely close.
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In the other corner we have a tiny number of people like JROA who believe not only that all of the above things are false or hoaxes, but that all those very smart Google people have been duped because they are just so darn gullible.
You're making the assumption that people working at Google are smart. I know more than a few, and while they aren't totally vapid, they are not what I would call "very smart".
But are they smarter than jroa?
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jroa is smarter than everyone. He is even smarter than himself.
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Marines are employed for their balls not their brains.
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You guys do realise Jora is actually a troll? Look at his earliest posts, he's clearly not a flatty.
Yeah, jroa has slipped a couple times since even I have been here. It's why I dont really care to respond to his posts anymore. Not feeding the troll and all.
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You're making the assumption that people working at Google are smart. I know more than a few, and while they aren't totally vapid, they are not what I would call "very smart".
So you're claiming that a company that employs hundreds of people with science Ph.Ds is gonna hire dopes like the handful you happen to know? How is it that you only know their employees that aren't "very smart" anyway?
Birds of a feather maybe? ;D