FET drawing challenge

draw the path of the sun

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

It really should not be to hard, perhaps its just hard for RE'ers.

So... If it's not hard, care to educate us?

You really want someone to draw circles on those maps?  There's nothing special about them.  They're just circles.

Edited. I just want to see more diagrams. And if you really believed this stuff you'd think you'd be passionate about showing people how it works.

Edited. I just want to see more diagrams. And if you really believed this stuff you'd think you'd be passionate about showing people how it works.

I'm certain the picture you are after is in the FAQ. If not, try the wiki. I've said it before and I'll say it again, lurk moar before posting stuff that has been done to death a thousand times.

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

If it's so easy, then why don't you draw a circle that depicts 12 hours of daylight for everyone in the world on the day of the equinox?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 19, 2012, 09:09:38 PM

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

If it's so easy, then why don't you draw a circle that depicts 12 hours of daylight for everyone in the world on the day of the equinox?

What evidence is there that everyone experiences 12 hours of daylight? Are you everyone? Have you been to all points on the earth's surface on that day?

No actually it's not there in the wiki or the FAQ.

Tom, on every continent this info about the equinox is shared. If there were inconsistencies in the accepted model, somewhere in the world someone would say "hey that can't be right."

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2012, 06:12:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 19, 2012, 09:09:38 PM

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

If it's so easy, then why don't you draw a circle that depicts 12 hours of daylight for everyone in the world on the day of the equinox?

What evidence is there that everyone experiences 12 hours of daylight? Are you everyone? Have you been to all points on the earth's surface on that day?

You can't possibly be serious.

No actually it's not there in the wiki or the FAQ.

Tom, on every continent this info about the equinox is shared. If there were inconsistencies in the accepted model, somewhere in the world someone would say "hey that can't be right."

Is everyone in the world here to say "hey that can't be right"?

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2012, 06:12:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 19, 2012, 09:09:38 PM

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

If it's so easy, then why don't you draw a circle that depicts 12 hours of daylight for everyone in the world on the day of the equinox?

What evidence is there that everyone experiences 12 hours of daylight? Are you everyone? Have you been to all points on the earth's surface on that day?

  Why would I need to check all points of the earth's surface.  All you need to do is check a few strategic locations on various parts of the earth in order to determine which model supports the observations better. 

As you should remember, I have proposed a simple experiment where members of this forum who live in various parts of the world would record the time and direction of sunrise and sunset on the day of the equinox.  I was quite unsurprised that almost all FE'ers (including yourself) declined to participate.

That sounds like a great experiment markjo. Also you could simply cross check a site like timeanddate.com.  Or cross check google earth.

Tom, everyone here seems to be saying that doesn't look right. Water can't be curved. Nothing like "I am in Peru on the equinox and the sun is not where google earth says it should be."

That sounds like a great experiment markjo.

Of course it is.  That's why FE'ers will never do it.

Where's that IceWallNinja guy? He's classic.

i proved that this is impossible already, thats why the fes cant draw an accurate diagram.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,52981.msg1298630.html#msg1298630

read that i tried to pin point the sun before the results are compelling

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 20, 2012, 09:21:57 AM

Quote from: markjo on July 20, 2012, 06:12:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 19, 2012, 09:09:38 PM

Is it really that hard to draw some circles?

If it's so easy, then why don't you draw a circle that depicts 12 hours of daylight for everyone in the world on the day of the equinox?

What evidence is there that everyone experiences 12 hours of daylight? Are you everyone? Have you been to all points on the earth's surface on that day?

  Why would I need to check all points of the earth's surface.  All you need to do is check a few strategic locations on various parts of the earth in order to determine which model supports the observations better. 

As you should remember, I have proposed a simple experiment where members of this forum who live in various parts of the world would record the time and direction of sunrise and sunset on the day of the equinox.  I was quite unsurprised that almost all FE'ers (including yourself) declined to participate.

Have you checked these "strategic locations"?

Did anyone go do the unpaid work you demanded of them?

That sounds like a great experiment markjo. Also you could simply cross check a site like timeanddate.com.  Or cross check google earth.

Tom, everyone here seems to be saying that doesn't look right. Water can't be curved. Nothing like "I am in Peru on the equinox and the sun is not where google earth says it should be."

Who is cross-checking google earth or any of those internet calculators with what the sun does in reality?

Here is an animation detailing the path of the sun takes over the earth-plane:



I think we can all agree this closely matches both observations and data provided.

One day we will understand more about the nature of the celestial bodies and what compels them to move in such a way - as of now we can only trust in God's plan.

That is classic Kendrick! Add that to the wiki!  If you guys accept that's the way it is then I congratulate you on your stubbornness. I'm not gonna be the REer that says what is wrong with that. I hope some of the FEers can start seeing it for themselves.

Quote from: FlatOrange on July 20, 2012, 02:15:25 PM

That sounds like a great experiment markjo. Also you could simply cross check a site like timeanddate.com.  Or cross check google earth.

Tom, everyone here seems to be saying that doesn't look right. Water can't be curved. Nothing like "I am in Peru on the equinox and the sun is not where google earth says it should be."

Who is cross-checking google earth or any of those internet calculators with what the sun does in reality?

The people who use them.  Duh.

Great work Squevil! The maps you used have truer continent shapes, so that's cool.

Have you checked these "strategic locations"?

I have checked several and the results are consistent with the RE model predictions.

Did anyone go do the unpaid work you demanded of them?

Request != demand.  And yes, several forum members did participate in the experiment and the results were consistent with RE predictions.

Quote from: FlatOrange on July 20, 2012, 02:15:25 PM

That sounds like a great experiment markjo. Also you could simply cross check a site like timeanddate.com.  Or cross check google earth.

Tom, everyone here seems to be saying that doesn't look right. Water can't be curved. Nothing like "I am in Peru on the equinox and the sun is not where google earth says it should be."

Who is cross-checking google earth or any of those internet calculators with what the sun does in reality?

Hunters, fishermen, just about anyone who works out doors in the early morning or evening and sunrise/sunset aficionados, just to name a few.

Haha no I will point out something wrong with that animation. When you're able to watch the sun for 24 hrs (say Barrow, Alaska) you never see the sun bolt around like that. And it makes perfect circles too, not oval.

Perhaps the properties of time and nature are different in Barrow Alaska.  Sometimes time seems to move more slowly for me, too.

Kendrick, what's the font on the bottom?  Where did those come from?  I want to see higher-res because I'm trying to see if Barrow has 24 sunlight on the summer solstice.

Quote from: FlatOrange on July 20, 2012, 02:15:25 PM

That sounds like a great experiment markjo. Also you could simply cross check a site like timeanddate.com.  Or cross check google earth.

Tom, everyone here seems to be saying that doesn't look right. Water can't be curved. Nothing like "I am in Peru on the equinox and the sun is not where google earth says it should be."

Who is cross-checking google earth or any of those internet calculators with what the sun does in reality?

i have, thats why i gave the time and locations