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At what point does the mantle end? It can't after all run to the absolute edge of the earth.
Why?
Then there are the Chinsese space programmes and the satellite programmes.Lol, no there isn't. They're shit at faking.
Earthisroundisproven, just post the distances between two ports in the northern hemisphere and two ports in the South. The problem with the map will be obvious at that point.There IS no map. Stop talking as if they have a failed attempt at a map. They haven't actually made one yet.
Earthisroundisproven, just post the distances between two ports in the northern hemisphere and two ports in the South. The problem with the map will be obvious at that point.
Post the distances between Capetown and Sydney.
On a globe, the Arabian peninsula isn't almost twice the size of Europe. Thus, that map is distorted in comparison with a globe.
Sailors don't use 2D maps. They use gnomonic projection.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but gnomonic maps are still printed on paper, right?
Err yes
So they're 2D then.The gnomonic lines allow you to correctly measure the distance beteen two points BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON A FLAT MAP - because the earth is a globe.
This is a gnomonic map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Gnomonic_Projection_Polar.jpg
It is 2D and compared to a globe, and is 'distorted'.
I have LOG BOOKS sat in front of me...give me any ports you like. Tell me what data you want.
I want the data you claim to have proving that the Earth is round. Obviously, I don't yet know what it is, because you haven't told me.
See this is exactly what other posters go on about too. You won't accept anything unless it supports your unproven theories. I ask again wherre is the astro mathematical data supporting FET?
Sailors don't use 2D maps. They use gnomonic projection.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but gnomonic maps are still printed on paper, right?
Then lets see your data.
"I'VE FUCKING BEEN THERE! I've sailed those differences and can verify firsthand the accuracy of the maps. What more do you want? Do I need to send you on that voyage? Am I going to need to drug test you afterwards so you know you weren't hallucinating? Do I need to drug test you now?"
If FE'ers can demand documentation of such voyages, then why can't RE'ers?
Because you need to go to a maritime office and look through their records.
So in other words, you don't have this data, and simply assume that it supports RET. I see.
Ok, let's make sure I understand the issue here...
Wilmore is saying that he's sailed the various distances and that using the maps all mariners use, they are accurate.
Earth is saying that any large scale, flat map is distorted and will give inaccurate distances thus, geometric projection maps are used by all mariners which, presumably, is what wilmore used.
Am I right?
I have told you where plenty of data can be found and have in other threads given nautical distances and sailing times/ speeds as examples. What part of 'there are books of navigational charts that are used by thousands of mariners every day' don't you understand.
That people use flat maps to get around the world is not proof that those maps are distorted and that the world is in actual fact a globe.
Or, the Earth is flat.
He has no counter arguement so he has to resort to jibes like a five year old. Pathetic. Basically he can't argue with me. He KNOWS that nautical mapping and the log data from mariners is pretty difficult data to dispute so now he's resorting to calling us all liars and stupid on various threads. Spat the dummy because he's losing the debate.
You can't 'counter' an argument that doesn't exist. All you do is go arund telling everyone how much evidence there is for RET, without presenting any of it. That is called making statements, not providing evidence.
Such a lazy repsonse. There is tons of data logging every single nautical and aviation journey made. It's a legal requirement to log sea and air travel with the respective maritime and aviation offices. There is so much data easily available to disprove FE in this respect alone that your comments are just displays of gross ignorance now.
Show us the logs, and show us how they invalidate the concept of a Flat Earth.
Does FET even accept the basic principles of geometry? Does it understand that RET is based on some pretty solid mathematics and observation? I really am beginning to question the numeracy skills of some FEers.
Mathematicians (especially geometers) are likely part of the occult. For a good read:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=7026.35;wap2
So clouds only change their shape when they're on the dark side of the earth?
The cloud formations are clearly in view for a good ten hours without any change of shape whatsoever.
The clouds you're looking at are mostly Cirrus type. Very high altitude and created by the movement of the wind at VERY high altitudes. The type you see when you look out your window is most probably cumuliform which is created by terrain and pockets of unstable (hotter than the surrounding environment) air and will therfore change shape or even disappear within minutes.
The clouds in the video therefore need not, and don't, change that very quickly at all. They're formed solely by weather systems and jet streams etc which means they can and will stay there and remain the same shape for hours, even days on end.
Please learn about what you're talking about before trying to argue your cause.
Uh huh. Any source for this hypothesis of motionless clouds?
Your nightly news channel will have animation of clouds of various types changing shape radically over a period of a single hour.
We just want to talk about our ideas and beliefs. We don't want to stop anyone from coming here, as long as they stay within the rules.
Good thing I have statistical data collected and various controls in place.An observation is not an experiment.
Fuck me, TB said something I agree with for a change. Do me a favour Tom and explain that to Ichy...he thinks you can look at the moon, and conclude the moon is it's own 'source' of light.
If you'd just lurk moar, you wouldn't need to guess.
Perhaps its your duty to inform?
Indeed, which is why I am informing you that should lurk moar. I consider this to be a most informative response, and should you decide to take my advice, one that will have a most beneficial effect on you during your time here (and beyond).
