New complete model of infinite flat earth

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #150 on: November 03, 2019, 01:22:33 PM »
So what?

What does it matter what some ancient peoples said?


What does it matter what NASA or college professors say? Why do you believe them? They repeat what they learned from their teachers too. What makes modern knowledge more superior to ancient knowledge? Were you alive thousands of years ago to be able to discredit ancient sources?
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #151 on: November 03, 2019, 01:26:18 PM »
So what?

What does it matter what some ancient peoples said?


What does it matter what NASA or college professors say? Why do you believe them? They repeat what they learned from their teachers too. What makes modern knowledge more superior to ancient knowledge? Were you alive thousands of years ago to be able to discredit ancient sources?

Are NASA and College Professors the only sources of modern knowledge?

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #152 on: November 03, 2019, 01:31:04 PM »
You want to base what you know on what you think some people in ancient times thought, be my guest.

The sad fact is most of it pretty useless. Took a while for us to get where we are now. Took a while, and took quite a bit of work and experimentation.

All of this is a moot, though, as what you have is your visions, and cherry-picked bits from whatever YouTube video you happened upon.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #153 on: November 03, 2019, 02:00:23 PM »
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What does it matter what NASA or college professors say?
It doesn't.
What matters is the evidence, and all the evidence shows Earth is round.

NASA isn't just repeating what they have been taught by others.
They are making a practical use of the fact that Earth is round to put satellites in orbit around Earth; several of which are used in every day life. They have astronauts that are high enough to see the curvature quite clearly. They have sent people far enough to have all of Earth within their FOV, to see it as a distant ball. They have satellites which have taken pictures of this round Earth.

It is one (quite insane) thing to say NASA is just lying to everyone and pretending Earth is round. It is quite another to claim that they are just repeating what they have been taught.

Likewise many modern scientists (including college professors) actually use the fact that Earth is round.

But like I said, what really matters is the evidence.
There are so many things observed in nature which are consistent which support Earth being round. They are consistent with a RE, and easily explained by a RE, yet directly defy a FE.
Yes, in most cases you can have a reasonable match by ignoring the vast majority of Earth and only focusing on a tiny section which can then be approximated as flat.

What makes modern knowledge more superior to ancient knowledge?
We aren't comparing modern knowledge to ancient knowledge.
We are comparing knowledge to superstition/myth/fables.

Even the ancient Greeks new Earth was round.

And the FE of today is typically nothing like the FE of the past.
Instead, the FE of the past is more akin to the RE of today, being a choice of a particular reference frame, selecting a small portion of Earth and making a few approximations.
With the FE models of the ancients, they only had to deal with a small portion of Earth. They didn't need to explain how the sun appears to set for one location while it remains above some other location. So they had the sun literally set. It went below Earth or into Earth.
That is what would happen if you only focused on a small portion of Earth and chose Earth as the reference frame.

But that doesn't work for the modern FE because they have to deal with time zones.
If the sun were to set below a flat Earth, then everyone would be in darkness. No one would be able to see the sun.
But we know that doesn't happen. The sun is always illuminating some region of Earth.
So the sun can never go below the hypothetical flat Earth, directly contradicting the ancient FE models, and removing the explanation for the setting of the sun.

So we aren't even really comparing ancient ideas to modern ones.
We are comparing ideas that have withstood the test of time to modern nonsense supported by ancient nonsense which contradicts it.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2019, 02:13:48 PM »
So what?

What does it matter what some ancient peoples said?


What does it matter what NASA or college professors say? Why do you believe them? They repeat what they learned from their teachers too. What makes modern knowledge more superior to ancient knowledge? Were you alive thousands of years ago to be able to discredit ancient sources?
We do not base the shape of the Earth on only "modern knowledge". We base the shape of the earth on knowledge accumulated over thousands of years.

You seem to base so much on the Veda but who do you read Sanskrit yourself but others seem to come to quite a different conclusion about the shape of the earth.

Have a look at, 
Quote from: Vishnu Elayath, Rigvedi
What does Veda say about the Earth being flat or round?
The flat Earth theory sustained in the West and was to stay till Galileo’s discoveries were agreed upon. It was a different case in the East though.

Indians have, since time immemorial, known that the Earth we live on is a spherical planet. How? I shall elaborate with examples and quotations from ancient scriptures.

The word भू is used to denote Earth. It is famously called भूगोल (Bhoogola) meaning “The sphere that is Earth”.

The Rig Veda says,[1]
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चक्राणासः परीणहं पर्थिव्या हिरण्येन मणिना शुम्भमानाः |

न हिन्वानासस्तितिरुस्त इन्द्रं परि सपशो अदधात सूर्येण ||


Adorned with jewels, they encircled the earth, but Indra overcame them with the rising sun.
This encircling shows a round path which could be around a spherical shape.

Another prominent verse:-
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मध्ये समस्ताण्डस्य भूगोलो व्योम्नि तिष्ठति

In the midst of the Universe, the spherical Earth stays.
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It is also explained in the Sreemad Bhagavatham and the Vishnu Puranam[2] in the Varaha Avatar chapters of Earth being a sphere. [3]
It can be seen clearly how the Vedas and the Puranas refer to Earth using words using Bhoogola, Khagola etc which all focus on गोल (Gola) meaning Sphere.

Footnotes
[1] Kartik Nemani's answer to The Varah Avatar of Lord Vishnu is depicted as holding up the Earth with his tusks. Was this the depiction of the Varah Avatar from the beginning, or was the globe-shaped Earth added later when it became public knowledge that the earth is round?

[2] Ram Abloh's answer to The Varah Avatar of Lord Vishnu is depicted as holding up the Earth with his tusks. Was this the depiction of the Varah Avatar from the beginning, or was the globe-shaped Earth added later when it became public knowledge that the earth is round?

[3] Vishnu Elayath's answer to The Varah Avatar of Lord Vishnu is depicted as holding up the Earth with his tusks. Was this the depiction of the Varah Avatar from the beginning, or was the globe-shaped Earth added later when it became public knowledge that the earth is round?


So it would seem that Vishnu Elayath, Rigvedi certainly believes that the Veda asserts that the earth is a Globe so where do you get your differing information.

Note that, "The flat Earth theory sustained in the West and was to stay till Galileo’s discoveries were agreed upon" is commonly claimed but is quite false as is easily demonstrated.


Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2019, 03:00:04 PM »
So what?

What does it matter what some ancient peoples said?


What does it matter what NASA or college professors say? Why do you believe them? They repeat what they learned from their teachers too. What makes modern knowledge more superior to ancient knowledge? Were you alive thousands of years ago to be able to discredit ancient sources?

It matters because we are alive right now, aren't we? We can test what college professors say right now. We are using all this technology in our daily lives, right now. We have all manner of flying machines right now.

Why the hell are you living in the distant past, New Earth? Is present reality too overwhelming for you?

I have bad news for you and the rest of the flat earth brigade still living in the dark ages, wishing they could burn witches at the stake. The next generation google maps aren't going to be just satellite birds eye view of the earth. They are going to be 3 dimensional, where the heights and depths of everything on Earth is also mapped. So, finally, you and the drubes will be able to observe the oh so precious "curve."

As for what I was talking about earlier, if you go into outer space, or for you who doesn't believe in outer space, if you were to examine what separates atoms and electrons.......they are separated by space.


The human mind likes to think of space as empty, but if you were to hold your hands apart in front of you, in a perfect vacuum, your hands are still separated by something, aren't they? That something, is a medium, the alchemists came to call first matter, which is subtle matter. So in the concept of the universe with planets as such, we are all infinitely connected by space. So, in that sense, earth is part of the infinite universe or the infinite universe is part of earth.

That might be a bit much, I know, for someone who is too afraid to take their nose out of their bible and actually look at the world around them.


Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #156 on: November 04, 2019, 12:57:56 AM »
Why do you believe that Universe and space is infinite but earth is finite? It was never proven by anyone that Space is infinite. This is 2019 and still no tourism of space is available. Fake Russian space agencies try to scam millionaires taking their money only to tell them that they failed health check to go to space. Come on guys when will this scam stop. You say they the astronauts saw the earth from space, they have sattelites, they can see the curve, they have been high enough. Who exactly are they? You haven't see any of this yet because the official sources tell you they have you believe? That is not intelligent.  If you really think about it they declared hundreds of years ago that Earth is a globe, how did they prove this? With a little shadow experiment in Egypt? Come on, seriously how? They had no rockets and no astronauts, when was the first globe made? It was made to be fake guys, the first globe was made by people who did not even know about Antarctica's existence. How can you make a globe and say earth is round if you cannot even map the continents accurately. This makes no sense, only the stubborn fucking stiff necks see no conspiracy in it.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #157 on: November 04, 2019, 01:07:26 AM »
Why do you believe that Universe and space is infinite but earth is finite? It was never proven by anyone that Space is infinite. This is 2019 and still no tourism of space is available. Fake Russian space agencies try to scam millionaires taking their money only to tell them that they failed health check to go to space. Come on guys when will this scam stop. You say they the astronauts saw the earth from space, they have sattelites, they can see the curve, they have been high enough. Who exactly are they? You haven't see any of this yet because the official sources tell you they have you believe? That is not intelligent.  If you really think about it they declared hundreds of years ago that Earth is a globe, how did they prove this? With a little shadow experiment in Egypt? Come on, seriously how? They had no rockets and no astronauts, when was the first globe made? It was made to be fake guys, the first globe was made by people who did not even know about Antarctica's existence. How can you make a globe and say earth is round if you cannot even map the continents accurately. This makes no sense, only the stubborn fucking stiff necks see no conspiracy in it.

Evidence for pretty much anything you espouse would be great. Otherwise, it's just kind of a rant. So I don't know what your point is.

Cool:

You like viking mythology
You like to weave in Vedas stuff
You have visions
You don't like NASA
You believe earth is larger than what most people think

Great.

Duly noted. Now how about having an opinion about something and backing it up with something that resembles facts. If you want to opinion piece, fair enough. But don't expect anyone to even remotely take you seriously.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #158 on: November 04, 2019, 01:37:36 AM »
You haven't see any of this yet
No, I have seen plenty of photos from these satellites.

But the point I was making with that is that it isn't just NASA repeating what they have been taught.

Earth is a globe, how did they prove this?
There were many things showing it.
Some common ones without needing fancy technology was noticing there is a horizon, which moves with you, noticing how objects behave near the horizon where they disappear from the bottom up, but you going higher will allow you to see more of them/further. This is one reason why lookout's on ships are up high.
But they also noticed that the stars in the sky would change at different latitudes.

But now with modern technology it is even easier. We can accurately measure the dip to the horizon. We can communicate with people all over the world to establish the existence of time zones, while watching the sun appear to rise and set.
We can take timelapse photos of the night sky, showing clearly that there are 2 celestial poles always located 180 degrees apart.

And so on.
Not to mention the accurate maps which rely upon Earth being round.

There are mountains of evidence for Earth being round. There is literally nothing for Earth being flat.
All FE has are baseless claims and wilful ignorance.


when was the first globe made?
No one knows for sure, but there is one from around the 2nd century BC.
More importantly, who cares?

It was made to be fake guys
PROVE IT!
There is absolutely no basis for that claim.
There is no reason for them to pretend Earth is round.

How can you make a globe and say earth is round if you cannot even map the continents accurately. This makes no sense
Well you are finally right about one thing, your argument makes no sense.
You don't need to know the exact location of every continent to know that Earth is round. You don't even need it to make a globe.

By necessity any map will be an approximation with a limited degree of accuracy.

You don't need to explore the entire world to know Earth is round. (However you at least need to reach the edge of Earth to be able to know Earth is flat rather than an extremely large sphere)

You don't need to explore the entire world to know what the circumference of Earth is.

As such, you don't need to explore the entire world to be able to construct a globe.

Sure a lot of it will remain incomplete/unknown but that was true for flat maps as well.

only the stubborn fucking stiff necks see no conspiracy in it.
Only the paranoid or delusional and those looking for a scapegoat see a conspiracy in it, because there is no reason for a conspiracy.
It is insanity to think a conspiracy has lasted for so long, with the rise and fall of empires.
It is insanity to think nature itself is conspiring against you to make Earth appear round.

If you can think of a reason for a conspiracy feel free to provide it, because so far the only reason seems to be just to screw with people for no reason at all.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #159 on: November 04, 2019, 03:15:57 AM »
Why do you believe that Universe and space is infinite but earth is finite? It was never proven by anyone that Space is infinite.
  • Since we don't claim that "Universe and space is infinite" it is quite irrelevant whether or not anyone has proven that Space is infinite.

  • We know that the earth is finite because it has been sufficiently explored to know its dimensions.
Quote from: New Earth
This is 2019 and still no tourism of space is available. Fake Russian space agencies try to scam millionaires taking their money only to tell them that they failed health check to go to space. Come on guys when will this scam stop.
True or not, that is quite irrelevant to the shape of the earth or the reality of space and space missions.

Quote from: New Earth
You say they the astronauts saw the earth from space, they have satellites, they can see the curve, they have been high enough. Who exactly are they? You haven't see any of this yet because the official sources tell you they have you believe? That is not intelligent.
And why don't you believe that "they have satellites"? You can see at least one with the unaided eye and numerous ones in geostationary orbit with telescopes.
This post shows a few, if you know what to look for, Flat Earth General / Re: Telescopes and Viewing the ISS and satellites

Not only that, but I see plenty of indirect evidence of curvature myself.

Quote from: New Earth
If you really think about it they declared hundreds of years ago that Earth is a globe, how did they prove this? With a little shadow experiment in Egypt? Come on, seriously how?
By your "little shadow experiment in Egypt" I assume that you are referring to where Eratosthenes measured the circumference lf the Earth in 240 B.C. Eratosthenes was not trying to prove the earth to be a Globe because by around 500 B.C., most ancient Greeks believed that Earth was round, not flat.

Quote from: New Earth
They had no rockets and no astronauts, when was the first globe made? It was made to be fake guys, the first globe was made by people who did not even know about Antarctica's existence.
So what? Do you think that the only way to show that the Earth is not flat is with rockets and astronauts. You've got a lot to learn.

Quote from: New Earth
How can you make a globe and say earth is round if you cannot even map the continents accurately.
Well you can see that the earth is not flat without mapping the continents accurately.
And no flat-Earther has developed an accurate flat-Earth map yet but there have been reasonable Globe maps for many centuries.

Besides, I could just as well ask "How can you say the Earth is flat if you cannot even map the continents accurately?"
And you flat-Earthers still don't have any accurate map of you flat Earth.

Why would that be? Could it be that such a map is impossible to make?

Quote from: New Earth
This makes no sense, only the stubborn fucking stiff necks see no conspiracy in it.
So I see no need for any conspiracy to "hide the true shape of the Earth" nor any need to lose my cool and call those who believe differently of being "the stubborn f#@&ing stiff necks".

Previously you seemed to put so much weight on what was written in the Vedas and now I find that those with a real understanding of Sanskrit claim that the Vedas describe a spherical Earth.

You did, I hope read New complete model of infinite flat earth « Reply #154 on: Today at 07:13:48 AM »?
Quote from: Vishnu Elayath, Rigvedi
What does Veda say about the Earth being flat or round?
Indians have, since time immemorial, known that the Earth we live on is a spherical planet. How? I shall elaborate with examples and quotations from ancient scriptures.

The word भू is used to denote Earth. It is famously called भूगोल (Bhoogola) meaning “The sphere that is Earth”.

The Rig Veda says,
Quote
चक्राणासः परीणहं पर्थिव्या हिरण्येन मणिना शुम्भमानाः |

न हिन्वानासस्तितिरुस्त इन्द्रं परि सपशो अदधात सूर्येण ||


Adorned with jewels, they encircled the earth, but Indra overcame them with the rising sun.
This encircling shows a round path which could be around a spherical shape.

Another prominent verse:-
Quote
मध्ये समस्ताण्डस्य भूगोलो व्योम्नि तिष्ठति

In the midst of the Universe, the spherical Earth stays.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
It is also explained in the Sreemad Bhagavatham and the Vishnu Puranam in the Varaha Avatar chapters of Earth being a sphere.
It can be seen clearly how the Vedas and the Puranas refer to Earth using words using Bhoogola, Khagola etc which all focus on गोल (Gola) meaning Sphere.



So it would seem that Vishnu Elayath, Rigvedi certainly believes that the Veda asserts that the earth is a Globe so where do you get your differing information?

From what I can see and read all evidence points to the earth being spherical with a circumference of close to Eratosthenes' 250,000 stadia or 40,000 km.


Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #160 on: November 04, 2019, 05:31:05 AM »
Why do you believe that Universe and space is infinite but earth is finite? It was never proven by anyone that Space is infinite. This is 2019 and still no tourism of space is available. Fake Russian space agencies try to scam millionaires taking their money only to tell them that they failed health check to go to space. Come on guys when will this scam stop. You say they the astronauts saw the earth from space, they have sattelites, they can see the curve, they have been high enough. Who exactly are they? You haven't see any of this yet because the official sources tell you they have you believe? That is not intelligent.  If you really think about it they declared hundreds of years ago that Earth is a globe, how did they prove this? With a little shadow experiment in Egypt? Come on, seriously how? They had no rockets and no astronauts, when was the first globe made? It was made to be fake guys, the first globe was made by people who did not even know about Antarctica's existence. How can you make a globe and say earth is round if you cannot even map the continents accurately. This makes no sense, only the stubborn fucking stiff necks see no conspiracy in it.

They proved the earth a globe hundreds of years ago, by sailing around it. You do know how sailing ships work? Antarctica was last to be discovered due to the freezing Antarctic temperatures. What evidence do you have that the continents haven't been mapped accurately?

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #161 on: November 04, 2019, 09:16:34 AM »
I don't wanna criticize the admins, its their forum not mine but I'm genuinely surprised why some of you are allowed to post. You come to this forum with no knowledge what so ever. I know that some of you huffing and puffing about math and science but I can tell most of you never went to college. For example read what Sunset is asking me. He asked me how do I know that old globes were inaccurate. Have you even tried to research this and see how they depicted the continents? They used to believe in a giant landmass called Australis basically connecting Australia with Antarctica, there is a famous old globe that shows this wrong landmass. They also made North American 2 times bigger and put bunch of islands in every ocean that don't exist. And you are asking me how do I know? Go to Barnes and Nobles bookstore dude, they used to sell a small globe that was made in 1600's, showing every continent wrong.

You guys lost this argument when you said and I quote 'Who cares if they mapped continents correctly." You guys bash flat earthers because we don't have a good map, but when the early globes made errors you dismiss it and say its irrelevant.  If it really doesn't matter if the continents are shown correctly or not then why do you constantly point out the flaw in flat earth theory just cause we don't have the precise map? This is a hypocracy of unparallel proportions.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #162 on: November 04, 2019, 09:40:12 AM »
Go to Barnes and Nobles bookstore dude, they used to sell a small globe that was made in 1600's, showing every continent wrong.
How do you know the continents were wrong?

Answer: because throughout the centuries, better and better maps and measurements have been made, successively correcting the flaws of previous ones, until we now have a global map with an accuracy of inches that can be (in principle) navigated by machines.

That's one of the many reasons why we know the 3D shape of the earth.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #163 on: November 04, 2019, 10:27:10 AM »
Flat earth is not 2D
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #165 on: November 04, 2019, 11:19:58 AM »
Infinite earth may seem like an endless 2D plane but since it goes on forever it has no definite shape. Plus it is not flat as in Kansas, it is an irregular plane featuring hills and mountains. The universe is not empty space with spinning balls all over the place. LOL

The universe is ocean, every continent and landmass rests upon this infinite ocean. The true name of it is the Ocean of Eden. Aka paradise ocean. You can't see it cause you locked into Kaliyuga globe earth.

Behold the Ocean of Eden.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #166 on: November 04, 2019, 12:12:16 PM »
I don't wanna criticize the admins, its their forum not mine but I'm genuinely surprised why some of you are allowed to post. You come to this forum with no knowledge what so ever. I know that some of you huffing and puffing about math and science but I can tell most of you never went to college.
Have you looked in the mirror lately?

You have come here and spouted claim after claim after claim while completely ignoring refutations of those claims.
To try and pretend the RE position is just as poor, you ask questions with the implication that RE has nothing to back it up, and when they get answered/addressed you just ignore it.

He asked me how do I know that old globes were inaccurate.
He seems to be asking how do you know that current maps are inaccurate.
I don't see him suggesting old globes were perfectly accurate, especially given he stated Antarctica was the last to be mapped.

Go to Barnes and Nobles bookstore dude, they used to sell a small globe that was made in 1600's, showing every continent wrong.
Or instead of telling us to do your work for you, you could do it yourself and provide the evidence here.

You guys lost this argument when you said and I quote 'Who cares if they mapped continents correctly."
That isn't how you quote.
To quote, you should use the appropriate tags which then link directly back to the post where it happened.
This is much better as it allows people to very easily check if that is actually what was said or you are just making it up.
But that wouldn't help you, as from what I can tell, you are just making it up.

Who said "Who cares if they mapped continents correctly."?

The only time I can find the words "Who cares" used in this thread, other than in your comment was in my post, when I asked who cares when the first globe was made.

So it seems you are spouting more baseless nonsense and trying to set up more straw man to attack rather than trying to actually challenge the RE.


You guys bash flat earthers because we don't have a good map
Yes, because the RE actually has a good map which works to describe reality.
Now the big issue with this is that if this RE map is accurate then it is impossible to have an accurate FE map.

Accepting that people long ago didn't have an accurate map, especially as they were quite restricted in where they can go and restricted in their ability to communicate across vast distances, has no bearing on the fact that we now have very accurate maps of a round Earth; while all FEers seem to have (excluding a few drawings which still get things horribly wrong) are projections of a RE which introduce massive distortions due to the nature of the projection.

And do you know one of the reasons why it took so long to get accurate maps?
Because Earth isn't flat.
If Earth was flat it would be much easier to produce maps.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #167 on: November 04, 2019, 01:01:55 PM »
New Earth, have you managed to convince your friends, family, or co-workers with your model? What did they think or say?

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #168 on: November 04, 2019, 04:10:28 PM »
I don't wanna criticize the admins, its their forum not mine but I'm genuinely surprised why some of you are allowed to post. You come to this forum with no knowledge what so ever. I know that some of you huffing and puffing about math and science but I can tell most of you never went to college. For example read what Sunset is asking me. He asked me how do I know that old globes were inaccurate. Have you even tried to research this and see how they depicted the continents? They used to believe in a giant landmass called Australis basically connecting Australia with Antarctica, there is a famous old globe that shows this wrong landmass. They also made North American 2 times bigger and put bunch of islands in every ocean that don't exist. And you are asking me how do I know? Go to Barnes and Nobles bookstore dude, they used to sell a small globe that was made in 1600's, showing every continent wrong.

You guys lost this argument when you said and I quote 'Who cares if they mapped continents correctly." You guys bash flat earthers because we don't have a good map, but when the early globes made errors you dismiss it and say its irrelevant.  If it really doesn't matter if the continents are shown correctly or not then why do you constantly point out the flaw in flat earth theory just cause we don't have the precise map? This is a hypocracy of unparallel proportions.

You're starting to make it challenging for me to be polite to you. Ofcourse the first maps of the world had inaccuracies, but as time went by, with more and more expeditions, the maps became more accurate.

At what point were you referring to old time maps, for christ sake? You said, "How can you make a globe if you cannot even map the continents properly?"

I'm sorry new earth, I do sincerely apologize, I forgot momentarily I was engaging with an individual who refuses to acknowledge any discovery about our planet made any later than four or five hundred years ago.

For you to answer this question, new earth, will require you to time travel from a few hundred years ago, to the present day. Crank the wheels and dials of your time machine. The year you want is 2019. My question to you, new earth, was and is, in reference to present day globes of the world and world maps.

How do you know PRESENT DAY world globes snd maps are not accurate?

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #169 on: November 04, 2019, 05:12:02 PM »
Perhaps new Earth should see his Phrenologist...

Do you consider the ladder of medical science in the same fashion you seem to regarding astronomy, geography and cartography?

What about the science behind the device you use to post here?
Do you think it just came into being overnight?
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #170 on: November 04, 2019, 08:38:52 PM »
I don't wanna criticize the admins, its their forum not mine but I'm genuinely surprised why some of you are allowed to post. You come to this forum with no knowledge what so ever.
You are the one that seems to come with no knowledge of anything, just things that you seem to have dreamed up with never any evidence.

Quote from: New Earth
I know that some of you huffing and puffing about math and science but I can tell most of you never went to college. For example read what Sunset is asking me. He asked me how do I know that old globes were inaccurate. Have you even tried to research this and see how they depicted the continents? They used to believe in a giant landmass called Australis basically connecting Australia with Antarctica, there is a famous old globe that shows this wrong landmass.
Of course they did, because the map-makers did not yet know about those other continents, as more information came in the maps were updated.

Quote from: New Earth
They also made North American 2 times bigger and put bunch of islands in every ocean that don't exist. And you are asking me how do I know? Go to Barnes and Nobles bookstore dude, they used to sell a small globe that was made in 1600's, showing every continent wrong.
So you say, but you post no evidence not even a photo but here are some photos of a Globe made in the 1623:

The 1623 Chinese Terrestrial Globe
by Dias and Longobardi showing the Pacific Ocean
     
Part Pacific + Americas
from Abraham Ortelius’s Theatrum, 1595
     
Indian Ocean
from Abraham Ortelius’s Theatrum, 1595
The "Unknown Southern Land, Terra Australis Incognita is pure guesswork but back there the knew that the Earth was spherical.

Quote from: New Earth
You guys lost this argument when you said and I quote 'Who cares if they mapped continents correctly." You guys bash flat earthers because we don't have a good map, but when the early globes made errors you dismiss it and say its irrelevant.  If it really doesn't matter if the continents are shown correctly or not then why do you constantly point out the flaw in flat earth theory just cause we don't have the precise map? This is a hypocracy of unparallel proportions.
That Globe above is from 1623 and while the shapes of the continents might not be accurate the basic continental layout and the positions of the poles are correct.

You, on the other hand in 2019, don't even have a flat Earth map with even vaguely correct distances nor reasonable locations of both poles.

You earlier put so much weight on what was written in the Vedas and since I showed that they do not support you flat-Earth you totally ignore then, why?

Read again:
Quote from: Vishnu Elayath, Rigvedi
What does Veda say about the Earth being flat or round?
Indians have, since time immemorial, known that the Earth we live on is a spherical planet. How? I shall elaborate with examples and quotations from ancient scriptures.

The word भू is used to denote Earth. It is famously called भूगोल (Bhoogola) meaning “The sphere that is Earth”.

Another prominent verse:-
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मध्ये समस्ताण्डस्य भूगोलो व्योम्नि तिष्ठति

In the midst of the Universe, the spherical Earth stays.
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It is also explained in the Sreemad Bhagavatham and the Vishnu Puranam in the Varaha Avatar chapters of Earth being a sphere.
It can be seen clearly how the Vedas and the Puranas refer to Earth using words using Bhoogola, Khagola etc which all focus on गोल (Gola) meaning Sphere.


Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #171 on: November 04, 2019, 10:44:59 PM »
If Bhugola means sphere then what does Bhumandala mean? The literal  translation of Bhumandala is the "circle of the earth" I can post few videos here if you want. You may disagree with Vedas, I know I do, but don' say that Vedas teach round earth cause they don't. If you translate Yojinas into miles, earth is set to be 4 billion miles in diameter. How can this be our globe? Where are the oceans of sugar cane, milk, wine, yogurt and sweet water on our earth globe? These oceans and islands surrounding them are clearly described in fifth canto of Srimam Bhagavatam. Get out of here with your lying ass. Come on someone ban this Australian troll already.

Just a side note I do not agree with Vedas, I take what I believe is accurate from them and develop my own theory. Earth is located on the infinite ocean of Eden. The original continent was Pangea. Garden of Eden was in Pangea.  The creator made infinite ocean and then dry land appeared (continents) all over the place. This is a very simple yet beautiful model, it is the truth. No need for complicated solar systems and galaxies or spinning balls. LOL Now suck my balls!!!
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #172 on: November 04, 2019, 11:35:41 PM »
Just a side note I do not agree with Vedas, I take what I believe is accurate from them and develop my own theory. Earth is located on the infinite ocean of Eden. The original continent was Pangea. Garden of Eden was in Pangea.  The creator made infinite ocean and then dry land appeared (continents) all over the place. This is a very simple yet beautiful model, it is the truth.
In others words you cherry-pick the bits that you like without bothering about any evidence.
Then refuse to debate the matter rationally when presented with evidence that conflicts with your hypotheses.

Now what about this map or at least one "with even vaguely correct distances nor reasonable locations of both poles."?
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Quote from: New Earth
They also made North American 2 times bigger and put bunch of islands in every ocean that don't exist. And you are asking me how do I know? Go to Barnes and Nobles bookstore dude, they used to sell a small globe that was made in 1600's, showing every continent wrong.
So you say, but you post no evidence not even a photo but here are some photos of a Globe made in the 1623:

The 1623 Chinese Terrestrial Globe
by Dias and Longobardi showing the Pacific Ocean
     
Part Pacific + Americas
from Abraham Ortelius’s Theatrum, 1595
     
Indian Ocean
from Abraham Ortelius’s Theatrum, 1595
The "Unknown Southern Land, Terra Australis Incognita is pure guesswork but back there the knew that the Earth was spherical.

Quote from: New Earth
You guys lost this argument when you said and I quote 'Who cares if they mapped continents correctly." You guys bash flat earthers because we don't have a good map, but when the early globes made errors you dismiss it and say its irrelevant.  If it really doesn't matter if the continents are shown correctly or not then why do you constantly point out the flaw in flat earth theory just cause we don't have the precise map? This is a hypocracy of unparallel proportions.
That Globe above is from 1623 and while the shapes of the continents might not be accurate the basic continental layout and the positions of the poles are correct.

You, on the other hand in 2019, don't even have a flat Earth map with even vaguely correct distances nor reasonable locations of both poles.
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And it is very important because the real Earth has been circumnavigated in numerous directions and flights and shipping routes cross most parts of the Earth.

To make it easy for you show a flat Earth "continental layout" and pole location that allows both polar and equatorial circumnavigation because there have been quote a number of both.

For example:
  • Equatorial Circumnavigation:
    Quote from: Kickass Trips
    Latitude Zero: Mike Horn’s Horizontal Solo Circumnavigation of the Globe at the Equator
    “When I left, I thought I knew enough to go round the world this way. Now that I am back, I know that I don’t know enough to start again.”

    A six stage journey following Latitude Zero

    On the 3rd of June 1999 at around 18h00, local time, Mike Horn left Gabon on the West African coast for the first step of expedition Latitude Zero, an attempt to go around the world at the equator unaided and with no engine-driven support.

    The trip was divided into 6 stages as follows:
    << Read the rest of "mad Mike's adventure at the linked site  ::)." >>
    Easy to fit your flat Earth but try to fit the next in!

  • Transpolar Circumnavigation: But well before Mike Horn's adventure, in 1979, adventurers Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles R. Burton started a transpolar circumnavigation.
    Quote from: Kickass Trips
    Transglobe expedition: Ranulph Fiennes ‘Vertical’ Circumpolar Navigation of the World at the 0° Greenwich Meridian
    In 1979, adventurers Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles R. Burton set out to make the world’s first circumpolar navigation, traveling the world “vertically” traversing both the North and South Pole while using only surface transport. Starting from Greenwich in September 1979 in the United Kingdom, they went south, arriving at the South Pole on December 17, 1980. Over the next 14 months, they went north again, reaching the North Pole on April 11, 1982. Travelling south once more, they arrived again in Greenwich on August 29, 1982 almost three years after their departure.
                 
Try those circumnavigations on a flat Earth!

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #173 on: November 04, 2019, 11:53:30 PM »
This is a very simple yet beautiful model, it is the truth. No need for complicated solar systems and galaxies or spinning balls.
How is having balls separated by space any more complex than having continents separated by water?

But more importantly, it being simple and beautiful (which is entirely subjective) doesn't make it the truth.
Your model is incapable of explaining so much, things which are easily explained with a RE model.

Your model is no better than claiming Earth is perfectly flat, homogeneous endless plain with absolutely no features.
That is very simple, one of the simplest things that could be, but it is so far removed from reality it has no chance of explaining it.

Likewise, your model is so far removed from reality it has no chance of explaining it.
But the RE model is much closer to reality and can explain so much.

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #174 on: November 05, 2019, 01:24:22 AM »
If Bhugola means sphere then what does Bhumandala mean? The literal  translation of Bhumandala is the "circle of the earth" I can post few videos here if you want. You may disagree with Vedas, I know I do, but don' say that Vedas teach round earth cause they don't. If you translate Yojinas into miles, earth is set to be 4 billion miles in diameter. How can this be our globe? Where are the oceans of sugar cane, milk, wine, yogurt and sweet water on our earth globe? These oceans and islands surrounding them are clearly described in fifth canto of Srimam Bhagavatam. Get out of here with your lying ass. Come on someone ban this Australian troll already.

Just a side note I do not agree with Vedas, I take what I believe is accurate from them and develop my own theory. Earth is located on the infinite ocean of Eden. The original continent was Pangea. Garden of Eden was in Pangea.  The creator made infinite ocean and then dry land appeared (continents) all over the place. This is a very simple yet beautiful model, it is the truth. No need for complicated solar systems and galaxies or spinning balls. LOL Now suck my balls!!!

Only a society which prizes yogurt and wine would spin a yarn about oceans of wine or yogurt or milk. In my society it would be an ocean of coca cola, or cold beer, baileys Irish cream, or marijuana butter.

So, with these oceans, is it cows milk or goats milk? Big big difference, new earth. That's one hell of a big cow or goat. I have to ask though, where is mention of the cow urine ocean or goat urine ocean?  Would that be the golden oceans?  ;D I don't even want to know what the brown water lakes are called in veda world.

You do know that if you find yourself lost at sea, (on our globe) the ocean seems infinite?

How about you take nothing away from the vedas aside from morals and allegories for good living?

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #175 on: November 05, 2019, 02:22:45 AM »
I ask again: New Earth, have you managed to convince anyone you know? If not, what did they say? If yes, where are they?

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #176 on: November 05, 2019, 05:25:08 AM »
Just a side note I do not agree with Vedas
Only a fool would disagree with Vedas.
Assuming what you say about them is true.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #177 on: November 05, 2019, 09:33:19 AM »
Of course I told my friends and many people about my infinite earth model, they love it because it is a beautiful world I'm describing, however just like you, they have a hard time grasping the fact that its real and not a fantasy. You may think that I get mad when people don't believe me or argue with me, fact is I don't. I honestly don't expect anyone to agree with me or believe me.  I completely understand that people are locked into globe matrix and cannot grasp anything outside of what is given by NASA.  I do not get mad at dogs and cats for meowing and barking and not speaking words, in a same way I do not get mad at people who simply do not understand higher reality.

Now I know for a fact Rab that no one ever circumnavigated earth from North to South. I know for a fact that Antarctica is off limits to all travelers and commercial flights. Do you think I'm a stubborn person? No if they truly did circumnavigated pole to pole I would gladly accept globe earth, I would embrace our little globe, but unfortunately they didn't, they lied and said that they did but they never did. This is the biggest reason I believe in flat earth. 

By the way if look at the Vedic earth it follow the biblical Hebrew cosmology as well. in Genesis chapter one it says that God separated waters above from waters below and dry land appeared. In Vedas it says the same thing. There is an ocean below the disk of the earth and the ocean above the firmament. So I guess ancient Indians and Hebrews met somewhere in the middle like Afghanistan and dreamed about it together? LOL

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #178 on: November 05, 2019, 10:16:42 AM »
Of course I told my friends and many people about my infinite earth model, they love it because it is a beautiful world I'm describing, however just like you, they have a hard time grasping the fact that its real and not a fantasy.
Fair enough! And sounds like the reaction most would expect.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #179 on: November 05, 2019, 10:24:08 AM »
I know for a fact that Antarctica is off limits to all travelers and commercial flights.
https://www.google.com/search?q=antarctica+travel+guide
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