Does Flying Around the World in 1 Direction Prove the Earth is Round?

If you fly from California to New York then to Europe then to China then back to California, all going East, you will end up where you started, back in California. Anyone is able to do this with a few plane tickets. You can also take a ship from Central America through the Panama Canal across the Atlantic to the Middle East, through the Suez Canal, through South East Asia, across the Pacific and back to Central America all going East. Doesn't this prove the Earth is round? If this does not prove the Earth is round, please explain to me how the Earth can be flat if you can fly around the world in one direction and end up where you started.

Thank you!

No, it just means that you went in a circle.  You can travel in circles on a flat Earth. 

But the planes are all going East in 1 direction. They aren't going to the end and making a U Turn. They are not going in a circle. You can fly from LA to New York non stop. The New York to Europe non stop. Then Europe to China non stop. No plane made a reverse turn and the flight path was East. How do you explain this?

Because east and west are circular directions.  Think about if you were at the north pole, and there was an actual pole sticking out of the ground.  Now, stand about arms length from this pole and face east.  Your left shoulder would be towards the pole.  Now, if you walk east, the pole would stay in the same place relative to your shoulder and you would make a circle, ending up where you started.

The farther away from the pole you are, the bigger the circle, and therefore you notice it less.

I completely understand what you are saying, but that isn't what happens, because then at one point the plane would be going West, wouldn't it? It would go East, then North then West.

And what you are proposing is the Earth is round, but it is not sphere, is this correct? Like a Frisbee and all of Earth is on top of the Frisbee?

Show me a link to an image of a map that you are suggesting the Earth really is.

You can imagine the scenario to be on a globe and get the same results.  East and west are circles.  They are this way on a round or flat Earth.  Generally speaking, the circles are so big, you don't notice the turning. 

Are you saying the Earth looks like this?

http://kgov.com/files/images/science/flatearth-map.jpg

If so, I see what you are saying. But then this raises a whole other questions. One would be the pilots would realize their plane is turning out of the flight path wouldn't they? Because in a round earth the plane would remain relative to the Earth's curvature which no adjustment would be needed. In a flat earth the plane would clearly need to turn in a manner that every pilot would notice.

Also, why would the Earth be a disk? What is below the disk? How do you explain watching the sun come up and go down and the sun above would light the entire Earth all of the time. This doesn't make any sense. You can clearly see the sun come up on the horizon and go down as an illusion that we are turning.You do not simply see the sun rotate above.

That map is as good as any for now.  However, let's assume that the Earth is a sphere for the time being.  If a pilot left Los Angeles and flew due East, would he notice that he is fallowing a curve, or would he think he was flying in a straight line? 

All of your other questions are answered in the wiki.  Have a quick look at it and let me know if you need for me to clarify anything for you.  There is a good search function there. 

If the plane goes from 1 point around the world back to that point, all the plane has to do is keep the altitude the same height and it goes entirely straight. Take a globe, put a tiny toy plane on a toothpick. Now go around in a circle from one point all the way around the globe back to the point. The plane on the toothpick did not turn left or right one time, it simply maintained same distance from the ground. In a Flat earth it would have to turn and pilots would know this. Doesn't this prove the Earth is round?

You are incorrect.  The only time you would not turn at all on a sphere is when you are traveling on a great circle.  The equator is an example of a great circle, but one can be made anywhere on a globe.  In order to maintain a true west or east heading and the route is not a great circle, then you must turn constantly, whether the Earth is round or flat.  Think about it. 

No you are incorrect. You are missing the point about altitude relative to the Earth's surface. If you can't get this part right, then all your other theories will hold no weight. If you want people to accept your flat earth theory, you at least have to understand the most basic facts of life. In a round Earth the plane does not turn when going straight. How can you even say this? Follow a line as I described, You do not turn. Take anything round, let's say a water bottle and do the same thing. Put a pen point on it then move the pen around the bottle. The pen does not go east and west, as long as it keeps the same distance to the bottle. Take a plate. Lay it on a table. Put your finger on the plate, now go straight keeping the same distance you fall off of the plate, therefore you would need to steer.

If you still do not understand here is another example.

Imagine you are on a car on a gigantic ball. You're car is somehow stuck to the ground and can't fall off. The car goes around the earth such as from the US to Europe to Asia back to the US in a straight latitude type line. He can keep the wheel totally straight and he will circle the ball and end up exactly where he started.

If the car was on a round race track and he was going in his lane, he has to steer the wheel around every curve.

I hope you see the difference now. If you still do not see how a plane in a round Earth just goes straight and a flat Earth you need to turn, then I refuse to discuss anythign else with you, as you will just be a waste of my time.

First of all, I am not talking about curving downward.  I am talking about turning.  If you draw a line on a ball and the line does not turn left or right, it is considered to be a section of a great circle.  A great circle path is the only path that goes straight on a ball, period.  It is also the shortest path on the ball between two points.

On a globe, the only great circle that goes east or west is at the equator.  Therefore, if you are not on the equator, and you are traveling east or west, you are turning.

I don't understand why you are having so much trouble understanding this.  Please, do me a favor and use Google to research a great circle.  Then, look at a globe and try to put 2 and 2 together.  You are really embarrassing yourself here.

The guy who thinks the Earth is flat says I am embarrassing myself?

I will try this one more time.

You are not turning! How can you not see this already? If the Earth is round, no turning is necessary as it automatically goes around the curve without steering. You are bound to the Earth so it just flies straight then automatically curves with the Earth as it keeps the same altitude. If you flew around the world you would not turn the plane! Of course you need to turn because of winds and such, but besides that, you can keep the plane flying directly straight the entire time and as long as it remains the same distance to the ground it goes straight! Any other opinion of this is 100% wrong. It doesn't even make sense as you can do this at home with anything round and see for yourself. I'm doing it right here on my globe. My plane model is not turning!. It goes straight but remains equidistant to the ground. 10,000 miles up consistently the plane will not turn but wrap around the Earth naturally. If you do not see this, go call a sensible friend and ask him.

In a flat Earth, you would need to actually turn the plane or you wold drive off the end of the disk.

How is this not proof the Earth is round?

And by the way, what do you come to this conclusion the Earth is a disk? For what reason other than to just be against the common consensus? Why do you insist the Earth is flat? For what reason?

The guy who thinks the Earth is flat says I am embarrassing myself?

I will try this one more time.

You are not turning! How can you not see this already? If the Earth is round, no turning is necessary as it automatically goes around the curve without steering. You are bound to the Earth so it just flies straight then automatically curves with the Earth as it keeps the same altitude. If you flew around the world you would not turn the plane! Of course you need to turn because of winds and such, but besides that, you can keep the plane flying directly straight the entire time and as long as it remains the same distance to the ground it goes straight! Any other opinion of this is 100% wrong. It doesn't even make sense as you can do this at home with anything round and see for yourself. I'm doing it right here on my globe. My plane model is not turning!. It goes straight but remains equidistant to the ground. 10,000 miles up consistently the plane will not turn but wrap around the Earth naturally. If you do not see this, go call a sensible friend and ask him.

In a flat Earth, you would need to actually turn the plane or you wold drive off the end of the disk.

How is this not proof the Earth is round?

And by the way, what do you come to this conclusion the Earth is a disk? For what reason other than to just be against the common consensus? Why do you insist the Earth is flat? For what reason?

You do understand that, in the most accepted flat Earth model, East and West is describing the action of traveling counter-clockwise or clockwise around the North pole, right?
What is your usage of "straight" relative to?

The guy who thinks the Earth is flat says I am embarrassing myself?

I will try this one more time.

You are not turning! How can you not see this already? If the Earth is round, no turning is necessary as it automatically goes around the curve without steering. You are bound to the Earth so it just flies straight then automatically curves with the Earth as it keeps the same altitude. If you flew around the world you would not turn the plane! Of course you need to turn because of winds and such, but besides that, you can keep the plane flying directly straight the entire time and as long as it remains the same distance to the ground it goes straight! Any other opinion of this is 100% wrong. It doesn't even make sense as you can do this at home with anything round and see for yourself. I'm doing it right here on my globe. My plane model is not turning!. It goes straight but remains equidistant to the ground. 10,000 miles up consistently the plane will not turn but wrap around the Earth naturally. If you do not see this, go call a sensible friend and ask him.

In a flat Earth, you would need to actually turn the plane or you wold drive off the end of the disk.

How is this not proof the Earth is round?

And by the way, what do you come to this conclusion the Earth is a disk? For what reason other than to just be against the common consensus? Why do you insist the Earth is flat? For what reason?

Please, please, please, do some critical thinking here.  I grow weary of dealing with dumb.  Please read back on my previous posts, because you do not seem to understand how geometry works. 

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:38:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Flat and globe distances would have to different.

Flat maps use projections, as you know.

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

As usual  poor old sceptimatic has got it backward.  LOL.

The "Unipolar" flat earth map is simply transferred from a globe. The flat earth map is simply a copy of one of the many projections of a globe with their accompanying distortions which are simply the results of trying to make flat maps from a globe.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:41:27 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:38:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Flat and globe distances would have to different.

Flat maps use projections, as you know.

If the map was derived from a flat Earth perspective and put into a globe form, then it's all done for them. They can simply use that and have anyone believe they are navigating a globe instead of the truth.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

As usual sceptimatic has got it backward.  LOL.

The "Unipolar" flat earth map is simply transferred from a globe. The flat earth map is simply a copy of one of the many projections of a globe with their accompanying distortions which are simply the results of trying to make flat maps from a globe.

No, I haven't got it backwards.

Quote from: Googleotomy on March 12, 2014, 10:59:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

As usual sceptimatic has got it backward.  LOL.

The "Unipolar" flat earth map is simply transferred from a globe. The flat earth map is simply a copy of one of the many projections of a globe with their accompanying distortions which are simply the results of trying to make flat maps from a globe.

No, I haven't got it backwards.

Prove " it."

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:01:20 AM

Quote from: Googleotomy on March 12, 2014, 10:59:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

As usual sceptimatic has got it backward.  LOL.

The "Unipolar" flat earth map is simply transferred from a globe. The flat earth map is simply a copy of one of the many projections of a globe with their accompanying distortions which are simply the results of trying to make flat maps from a globe.

No, I haven't got it backwards.

Prove " it."

Thos is where we will have to agree to disagree because neither of us can do that, physically.

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:56:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:41:27 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:38:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Flat and globe distances would have to different.

Flat maps use projections, as you know.

If the map was derived from a flat Earth perspective and put into a globe form, then it's all done for them. They can simply use that and have anyone believe they are navigating a globe instead of the truth.

So you have details of the location of places in a flat earth perspective?  eg Sydney and Santiago.

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:00:33 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:56:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:41:27 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:38:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Flat and globe distances would have to different.

Flat maps use projections, as you know.

If the map was derived from a flat Earth perspective and put into a globe form, then it's all done for them. They can simply use that and have anyone believe they are navigating a globe instead of the truth.

So you have details of the location of places in a flat earth perspective?  eg Sydney and Santiago.

Yep, every place that you have, I have. It's on the map I mentioned a few posts back. You know...the flat map of Earth that has been made into a globe effigy.

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 11:13:33 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:00:33 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:56:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:41:27 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:38:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Flat and globe distances would have to different.

Flat maps use projections, as you know.

If the map was derived from a flat Earth perspective and put into a globe form, then it's all done for them. They can simply use that and have anyone believe they are navigating a globe instead of the truth.

So you have details of the location of places in a flat earth perspective?  eg Sydney and Santiago.

Yep, every place that you have, I have. It's on the map I mentioned a few posts back. You know...the flat map of Earth that has been made into a globe effigy.

Link to the flat map please.

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Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 11:13:33 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 11:00:33 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:56:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:41:27 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:38:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on March 12, 2014, 10:34:53 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on March 12, 2014, 10:31:45 AM

Given that we have documented distances between places on earth and their locations it is not possible to put those on a flat earth model and maintain the distances and relative positions.

It is if the flat Earth model has been transferred onto a globe map, which I believe it has.

Distances on a globe earth have been proven to be correct.  There is no flat earth map.

They may have been proven to be correct but there's nothing to say that they aren't derived from a flat Earth standpoint and simply put out as globe distances. After all, you don't navigate using a globe map, it's a flat map.

Flat and globe distances would have to different.

Flat maps use projections, as you know.

If the map was derived from a flat Earth perspective and put into a globe form, then it's all done for them. They can simply use that and have anyone believe they are navigating a globe instead of the truth.

So you have details of the location of places in a flat earth perspective?  eg Sydney and Santiago.

Yep, every place that you have, I have. It's on the map I mentioned a few posts back. You know...the flat map of Earth that has been made into a globe effigy.

Link to the flat map please.

Just look at any map that depicts a globe and there you have it. It's the very same one you look at regularly.