Are people really still going to push the moon is harmless?

Over the summer of 2015, 40 million mangroves died of thirst. This vast die-off – the world’s largest ever recorded – killed off rich mangrove forests along fully 1,000 kilometres of coastline on Australia’s Gulf of Carpentaria.

The question is, why? Last month, scientists found a culprit: a strong El Niño event, which led to a temporary fall in sea level. That left mangroves, which rely on tides covering their roots, high and dry during an unusually dry early monsoon season.

Case closed. Or is it? While evidence clearly implicates El Niño, we found this climate cycle had a very large accomplice: the Moon.

In our study, released today, we mapped the expansion and contraction of mangrove forest cover over the past 40 years, and found clear evidence that the Moon’s orbital wobble had an effect.

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That’s where the Moon comes in – and particularly the “lunar wobble”. Back in 1728, astronomers noticed the plane in which the Moon orbits Earth isn’t fixed. Instead, it wobbles up and down, a bit like a spinning coin as it begins to slow.

When we mapped the extent and distribution of Australian mangrove forests over the past 40 years, we found clear signs of the Moon’s wobble at work. This 18.6-year orbital cycle turns out to be the main reason why mangrove canopy expands and contracts around most of Australia’s coastlines – and explains the patterns of mangrove mortality in the Gulf of Carpentaria.

You might be wondering why the wobble has such influence over whether mangroves live or die. It’s the tides. The wobble changes how the Moon’s gravity pulls on the world’s oceans, so periods of exceptionally high tides are followed by exceptionally low tides 9.3 years later.

The article is quite long but suffice to say, the moon is responsible for murdering millions upon millions of trees. If the moon can do that to something as strong and large as a tree, then what about a small human? We are far more complex and a lot more things to go wrong

Anyway, to the moon all I can say is GTFO. Maybe you were useful before, but you've overstayed your welcome and are just a burden now.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 15, 2022, 06:01:37 AM

The article is quite long but suffice to say, the moon is responsible for murdering millions upon millions of trees. If the moon can do that to something as strong and large as a tree, then what about a small human? We are far more complex and a lot more things to go wrong

We don't need our roots to be submerged in water. Mangrove trees do.

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Anyway, to the moon all I can say is GTFO. Maybe you were useful before, but you've overstayed your welcome and are just a burden now.

Venice would become uninhabitable without tides flushing out the canals. Everything reliant on tidal pools and tidal motion (it's a lot) would be totally screwed, too. I don't think this is a useful suggestion.

If the moon can kill millions of trees, it most definitely can cause people to post insane ramblings on the internet.

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2022/09/40-million-mangroves-are-dead-and-the-moon-is-to-blame-or-is-it/

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Over the summer of 2015, 40 million mangroves died of thirst. This vast die-off – the world’s largest ever recorded – killed off rich mangrove forests along fully 1,000 kilometres of coastline on Australia’s Gulf of Carpentaria.

The question is, why? Last month, scientists found a culprit: a strong El Niño event, which led to a temporary fall in sea level. That left mangroves, which rely on tides covering their roots, high and dry during an unusually dry early monsoon season.

Case closed. Or is it? While evidence clearly implicates El Niño, we found this climate cycle had a very large accomplice: the Moon.

In our study, released today, we mapped the expansion and contraction of mangrove forest cover over the past 40 years, and found clear evidence that the Moon’s orbital wobble had an effect.

...

That’s where the Moon comes in – and particularly the “lunar wobble”. Back in 1728, astronomers noticed the plane in which the Moon orbits Earth isn’t fixed. Instead, it wobbles up and down, a bit like a spinning coin as it begins to slow.

When we mapped the extent and distribution of Australian mangrove forests over the past 40 years, we found clear signs of the Moon’s wobble at work. This 18.6-year orbital cycle turns out to be the main reason why mangrove canopy expands and contracts around most of Australia’s coastlines – and explains the patterns of mangrove mortality in the Gulf of Carpentaria.

You might be wondering why the wobble has such influence over whether mangroves live or die. It’s the tides. The wobble changes how the Moon’s gravity pulls on the world’s oceans, so periods of exceptionally high tides are followed by exceptionally low tides 9.3 years later.

The article is quite long but suffice to say, the moon is responsible for murdering millions upon millions of trees. If the moon can do that to something as strong and large as a tree, then what about a small human? We are far more complex and a lot more things to go wrong

Anyway, to the moon all I can say is GTFO. Maybe you were useful before, but you've overstayed your welcome and are just a burden now.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 15, 2022, 06:01:37 AM

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2022/09/40-million-mangroves-are-dead-and-the-moon-is-to-blame-or-is-it/

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Over the summer of 2015, 40 million mangroves died of thirst. This vast die-off – the world’s largest ever recorded – killed off rich mangrove forests along fully 1,000 kilometres of coastline on Australia’s Gulf of Carpentaria.

The question is, why? Last month, scientists found a culprit: a strong El Niño event, which led to a temporary fall in sea level. That left mangroves, which rely on tides covering their roots, high and dry during an unusually dry early monsoon season.

Case closed. Or is it? While evidence clearly implicates El Niño, we found this climate cycle had a very large accomplice: the Moon.

In our study, released today, we mapped the expansion and contraction of mangrove forest cover over the past 40 years, and found clear evidence that the Moon’s orbital wobble had an effect.

...

That’s where the Moon comes in – and particularly the “lunar wobble”. Back in 1728, astronomers noticed the plane in which the Moon orbits Earth isn’t fixed. Instead, it wobbles up and down, a bit like a spinning coin as it begins to slow.

When we mapped the extent and distribution of Australian mangrove forests over the past 40 years, we found clear signs of the Moon’s wobble at work. This 18.6-year orbital cycle turns out to be the main reason why mangrove canopy expands and contracts around most of Australia’s coastlines – and explains the patterns of mangrove mortality in the Gulf of Carpentaria.

You might be wondering why the wobble has such influence over whether mangroves live or die. It’s the tides. The wobble changes how the Moon’s gravity pulls on the world’s oceans, so periods of exceptionally high tides are followed by exceptionally low tides 9.3 years later.

The article is quite long but suffice to say, the moon is responsible for murdering millions upon millions of trees. If the moon can do that to something as strong and large as a tree, then what about a small human? We are far more complex and a lot more things to go wrong

Anyway, to the moon all I can say is GTFO. Maybe you were useful before, but you've overstayed your welcome and are just a burden now.

Really?
I read it as the moon was being nice and giving them lots of water to thrive, and the idiots that they were didn't bother storing it, so when the moon moved on, they didn't have enough water and died.
Seems more like poor planning by mangroves than the moon murdering them.

As for telling the moon to leave, that was the problem, it left. It overstayed its welcome and left, and the mangroves died.

It hasn't left. I still see the damn thing almost every night. The moon does this wobble thing to toy with and kill trees. Pretending to be nice and supplying water. Then takes it away.

It's like if I stopped giving my kids food and water. Who would be the dick? Those mangroves were led on to depend on the Moon. And the moon fucked them

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Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 15, 2022, 06:01:37 AM

The article is quite long but suffice to say, the moon is responsible for murdering millions upon millions of trees. If the moon can do that to something as strong and large as a tree, then what about a small human? We are far more complex and a lot more things to go wrong

We don't need our roots to be submerged in water. Mangrove trees do.

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Anyway, to the moon all I can say is GTFO. Maybe you were useful before, but you've overstayed your welcome and are just a burden now.

Venice would become uninhabitable without tides flushing out the canals. Everything reliant on tidal pools and tidal motion (it's a lot) would be totally screwed, too. I don't think this is a useful suggestion.

Firstly, I dont live in Venice, so I dont give 2 shits whether they suffer a calamity through the absence of a moon. Their fate is already sealed, with our without a moon anyway. Sea level rise as well as sinking.... They're fucked.

https://www.newsweek.com/venice-permanently-submerged-end-next-century-scientists-1471979


Secondly, the moon could be causing sub clinical damage to humans and animals that may not be immediately apparent. If it has the power to kill tens of millions of trees by fucking with their root system, imagine what it does to the water inside your own body. And we are ~2/3rds water

There's a reason they say nothing good happens after midnight. It addles and upsets the minds of honest good working Christian into becoming the puppets of their inner demons. Thank you as well for this thread. It has been far too long since we have been reminded of luna's dangers.

The moon is responsible for the death of those tens of millions of trees. Stop victim blaming the trees. Whose the one that's dead here?

Given the power of the moon in being able to move such large volumes of water, it is not a stretch or leap to imagine the damage its effects on the human body could be.

this is a warning, a call from nature to get our house in order before she loses patience and drowns the fucking lot of us.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 16, 2022, 03:40:08 AM

The moon is responsible for the death of those tens of millions of trees. Stop victim blaming the trees. Whose the one that's dead here?

Stop trying to enslave the moon.
Why should the moon give the water to the plants? Did the moon say the water was for the plants, or did they just try and take it? Maybe them taking it is why the moon left?

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 16, 2022, 03:40:08 AM

Given the power of the moon in being able to move such large volumes of water, it is not a stretch or leap to imagine the damage its effects on the human body could be.

It is a massive stretch.
All it takes is understanding the tidal force.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on September 16, 2022, 06:11:50 AM

this is a warning, a call from nature to get our house in order before she loses patience and drowns the fucking lot of us.

As I said. The moon is far from harmless

Jura knows

Well why should anyone let you live? Cater for your needs? The moon is not even part of Earth anymore. It's just a 3rd wheel.

Tidal forces inside your brain I doubt is helpful. Even minutely so. The effect is not zero. You cant just hand wave it away

Elon Musk wants to Nuke Mars. I want to nuke the moon. It is a much more plausible concept dont you think?

The truth of the matter is that we know for a fact that the moon affects many forms of life here on earth.

Bats avoid hunting to avoid the dangers of the moon.

Lions take advantage of its madness fueled rage, knowing that smaller prey will be discombobulated and easier targets.

Even fish has been known to rot faster in the moon light since ancient times.

Not only this but we see in many studies an astonishing 64%-80% of emergency doctors and nurses will attest to the moons affects on man.

It is a disservice to all people to claim the moon is not dangerous

Its a well known fact in India even.

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Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 16, 2022, 07:08:44 AM

Well why should anyone let you live? Cater for your needs? The moon is not even part of Earth anymore. It's just a 3rd wheel.

Letting someone live is quite different to having to cater for their needs.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 16, 2022, 07:08:44 AM

Tidal forces inside your brain I doubt is helpful. Even minutely so. The effect is not zero. You cant just hand wave it away

I can dismiss it as insignificant.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 16, 2022, 07:08:44 AM

Elon Musk wants to Nuke Mars. I want to nuke the moon. It is a much more plausible concept dont you think?

Not to destroy it.

Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 01:46:29 PM

The truth of the matter is that we know for a fact that the moon affects many forms of life here on earth.

Yes, due to its effects as tides and the illumination it provides by reflecting the light from the sun.
That doesn't make it dangerous.

I'm sure the lion's prey or the schizophrenic might disagree. What makes something dangerous? Its correlation to danger.

Is there a higher correlation to danger in the moonlight?

Yes.

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Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 01:46:29 PM

Bats avoid hunting to avoid the dangers of the moon.

You mean to avoid the light?

That is certainly a good start.

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Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 01:46:29 PM

Lions take advantage of its madness fueled rage, knowing that smaller prey will be discombobulated and easier targets.

So is the moon here allegedly making the lions mad or the small prey?
If your nonsense was true, why aren't both affected, making it net neutral?

Are you sure it isn't just the small animals aren't as well adapted to the light of the moon and that light makes them easier targets?

So your argument seems to be - why are both not affected the same.

And your counter argument is - they are both not affected the same.

Never the less, in spite of your drivel, the answer is clear. The predator can make use of his rage effectively, where as rage does very little for those experiencing a flight reaction.

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Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 01:46:29 PM

Even fish has been known to rot faster in the moon light since ancient times.

All sorts of superstitious BS has been "known" since ancient time. But where is the evidence?

Simple enough, test it out.

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Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 01:46:29 PM

Not only this but we see in many studies an astonishing 64%-80% of emergency doctors and nurses will attest to the moons affects on man.

And how much of that is just due to people being idiots, using the full moon as an excuse, as well as reporting bias?
What of the other 20-36%?

Ah yes. Doctors are known to be extremely poorly educated and non-observant.

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More importantly, where are the studies actually showing an affect, rather than people believing there is an effect?

They exist as well... The NIH did one in 2011 for example.

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Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 01:46:29 PM

It is a disservice to all people to claim the moon is not dangerous

It is a disservice to spout old superstitious nonsense as fact.

We are indeed in agreement, and it lightens my heart to hear you agree that the moon is dangerous.

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Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 02:26:47 PM

Its a well known fact in India even.

You mean it is a myth spouted in India even.

I do not.

I'm sure the lion's prey or the schizophrenic might disagree. What makes something dangerous? Its correlation to danger.

Is there a higher correlation to danger in the moonlight?

Never the less, in spite of your drivel, the answer is clear. The predator can make use of his rage effectively, where as rage does very little for those experiencing a flight reaction.

Simple enough, test it out.

Ah yes. Doctors are known to be extremely poorly educated and non-observant.

They exist as well... The NIH did one in 2011 for example.

We are indeed in agreement, and it lightens my heart to hear you agree that the moon is dangerous.

I do not.

Quote from: Username on September 16, 2022, 04:02:58 PM

I'm sure the lion's prey or the schizophrenic might disagree. What makes something dangerous? Its correlation to danger.

Is there a higher correlation to danger in the moonlight?

I would say you need an element of causation.