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No doubt many of you have been enjoying that triumph of globularist cultural penetration, the godless bacchanal festival of the New Year. In this society the frivolities of the Decemberial cessation are carefully presented by the media as an enlightened and secular celebration of the coming of a new annual cycle.

And so, in the spirit of this monstrous deception, I shall share with you my "New Year's Resolution" - namely to completely abandon the very concept of a New Year, and indeed of years generally, and encourage you to do the same - and celebrate instead a festival which is commensurable with the true science. For the twisting falsities of the beloved New Year Festival are at the very heart of the insidious conspiracy against the truth which has plagued us and perpetuated the deception of Man through Time.

Clerical experts amongst the worlds religions have endlessly argued amongst themselves about the invalidity of each other's religious ordinances - adherents to Jewish Orthodoxy shun the conventional holidays of Christendom; the Mahometan and the Hindoo abscond from one another's sacred festivals - and yet they all have been deceived by the most unholy festival of the lot, the "secular" celebration of the turn of a year, which is the greatest of all lies.

May I be the first to remind you that the very notion of a globularist year is the highest order of blasphemy against science.  What revellers at this time do not realise themselves to be celebrating is nothing less than an article of faith - the maniacal doctrine that the Terra Firma has flown full-cycle around a giant round Sun like a hummingbird around a flower.

Heraclitus once said that the Sun was the size of a man's foot. His estimate was closer than the most conservative estimate of 21st century Round Earth scientists, and he, at least, knew that this modest Sun was flitting itself over the solid immovable Earth, that no such "year" as the Globuarist posthulates has ever existed. As the great John J Jasper declared in his famous sermon, "De Sun Do Move". His religion was in this regard truer than that of the most pious Round Earth Believer.

In sooth a "year" is an ideological construct with no basis in reality, more tenous than the wildest conceptions of divinity; the New Year Festival is a high service to the oppressive religion of International Globularism.

Though it surely seemed like it after you had become so drunk, I can assure you that the Earth was not spinning this December the 31st.


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In a bid to further disseminate my important work and discoveries, I am instantiating a Twitter portal from which I will promulgate addenda to my extensive research on this website.  I shall be posting my every musing on issues as diverse as geology, cosmology, natural history, unnatural history, geography, and any number of other fields of thought.

I invite you to educate yourself by registering a subscription to my account at the following web address: http://twitter.com/Flat_Science

Together we will unravel the very mysteries of the cosmos, one Tweet at a time.

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Suggestions & Concerns / A Friendly Reminder
« on: May 21, 2011, 11:19:05 PM »
I have noticed that the tone of Suggestions and Concerns has become unacceptably low, and would like to remind all users that the forum rules apply in Suggestions and Concerns as much as in other boards.  Remember that our ordinances on excessive foul language and low-content material are enforced here.  I refer members to the inaugural "What is this Board For?" thread - http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38431.0 - which delimits the character of this board.

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Flat Earth Believers / My Brothers
« on: May 21, 2011, 05:00:06 PM »
I have been intensely meditating, about the opera "Don Giovanni".  It is the story of a man who is constantly galavanting all about the place, inducing young women hither and thither, and taking them to his bed chamber.  This young Don Juan is always telling the most brazen lies, he is not averse to murder any old men who seek the truth about the chastity of his daughter.  He is cruel to his servant, and he is often shouting at him and impelling him to do the most ridiculous things.  I have found in this work the greatest of metaphors for the deceptions of science.  For these so-called men of science are in deceit a real kind of Giovanni, like the singer they are always running their lackeys around and pompously boasting, and they have committed a great many murders of anyone who thought to uncover their deception and debauch.  IF the people of Earth are the young ladies who have been abused and subjected to trickeries:  the renaissance man of science is the true Don Giovanni of the day.

My brothers what do you think of these matters.

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Arts & Entertainment / Du Du D Du Du
« on: March 31, 2011, 09:55:17 AM »
I've been listening to Du Du D Du Du a lot recently, it's the latest Raa song. I just can't get enough of it and I'd recommend any one else listen to it. Any one else heard this one yet?

I think it shows Raa contiuing in a new direction from his old stuff, this one's got a really driving drum backing which makes it a lot heavier than early stuff like Bilal Gudus. It builds on the success of the heavy era classics like Fung get, SLUG fest, FUNG, etc., but brought together by the cerebral shred he's laying down with his signature flute, which just gives and gives. I love listening to it while I'm posting.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / What is a computer?
« on: March 07, 2011, 10:34:59 PM »
I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the subject. Is a man's brain a fleshy computer? Does a computer have to be made of synthetic material? What is a computer?

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Flat Earth Believers / To welcome
« on: February 21, 2011, 10:15:34 PM »
It has been inferred that you are of very sound mind. In virtue of your sagacity and committment to the true shape of the Earth, you have been ordained by the Zetetic Council for a special accolade, to be among the True Flat Earth Believers in their special mission for verisimilitude. Your trials will be numerous, and your glories many.

May your excellences of investigation ever obtain. May my zetetic brothers join me in the exigent welcome.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Can a Robot Feel Love?
« on: January 26, 2011, 04:42:54 PM »
During this exciting age, many robots are coming into our lives in ways we could never have imagined. They live among us and take part in our world; their eventual desire to form personal relationships with us is more or less inevitable. You probably have a sort of robot in your kitchen, there are robots in your computer, maybe you even have a special kind of robot inside your car when you drive to work (in the sat nav, for example, or in the displays and inner workings).

Will they be able to pull it off, given their cold and unhuman hearts, or will they always just be faking it?

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This afternoon, I cracked open a bottle of vintage port in order to celebrate the run up to the Holy Season. However, I smashed the cork with the corkscrew and the broken shards fell inside the bottle. I tried to drink it, but when I poured it into a glass, shards of cork came out too, and a fine cork dust polluted the port so absolutely as to preclude our enjoyment of it whatsoever. Now, to do what I could to salvage the port, I cut a square from a bedsheet and attached it to the neck of the bottle with an elastic band.

I turned the port bottle above the glass, but the port outpouring was scant, and stopped quickly. I soon found the only way to extract the filtered port from the bottle and into the glass was to hold the neck close to the glass and raise the bottle away from the glass at an accelerating rate. My challenge to globularists everywhere is as follows: if the universal force of gravity is all that extracted the port from the bottle under normal conditions, why is that it was only by stacking acceleration of my own creation that I was able toextract the port under these modifed conditions?

I had previously wondered if gravity weren't in theory entirely equialent to acceleration of our terrestrial plane; I now wonder if the conditions of decanting are not entirely at odds with the globularist lie and this equivalence principle is actually false, but strongly in the zetetic direction - that namely there are conditions upon the Earth which produce circumstances entirely discrediting the theory of gravity altogether, whilst preserving the predictions of universal acceleration, and thereby also demonstrating the falsity of the equivalence principle?

It is fair to say that my worldview has been shaken by this bottle of port, which has only been poured with the assistance of artificial acceleration entirely apart from and contrary to the theory of Newtonian gravitational physics.

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Arts & Entertainment / Egg Poem
« on: November 17, 2010, 04:54:43 PM »
Little Egg,
Which truths are yours which against me you have ardently withheld, and
Which secret divulgences do you make when I do not attend;
Whither do they flow? In the morning mist,
It is for you not that you are blessed with a mouth,
It is this reason you make unspeakable utterances.
Yet when I observe you, your must is silent.

Therefore it is our duty at the forefront of deceiving,
To, myself-- and you, an egg, go
into the universe. Here will we make our stand, on this place can we build a home.

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The shadowy international development organisation Foundation X has recently contacted the British House of Lords, offering "a massive supra-national accumulation of funds" to help offset recent austerity spending cuts. According to Lord James of Blackheath, who has been working closely Foundation X's emissaries for the last 21 weeks, the funds are "the proceeds of a massive amount of commercial activity which have accumulated over probably most of a hundred years" (See video here:).

As Lord James has already argued, the financial assistance provided by Foundation X could be used to fund much needed hospitals and schools, which are set to suffer immensely under planned cuts in government spending, but more importantly, the foundation has alluded to the possibility of supplying funds for the Underground Gasification of Coal. The UK really can't afford to hang back on its renewable energy programme right now, and the Underground Gasification of Coal could radically alter the landscape of renewable energy in Great Britain (this should be pretty obvious to anyone, whatever your stance on renewable energy happens to be).

They've also very specifically offered to make a bank transfer of 17 Billion GBP to the British government by Christmas in order to fund the building of CrossRail. As we've already seen, the government needs all the help it can get with the CrossRail project - not least when we take into account the logistical problems of digging the CrossRail route, which directly intersects the site of the Great London Cattle-hide Anthrax Contamination of 1520 (see this vid: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8116892.stm). It is not clear that the coalition government is going to be able to raise sufficient funds to safely deal with the tunnelling without releasing the anthrax from the contaminated Tudor cow remains. It could be argued that it would be irresponsible for the government to turn down Foundation X's CrossRail offer, since doing so is going to impede their ability to deal with this and other such crises.

Foundation X has assured the Lords that all financial aid they provide will be completely interest-free, and that there will be no repayment schedule. This would be an astonishing boon for public spending during what promises to be a major period of insufficient funding for frontline services, but in spite of this the Treasury seems reluctant to pursue the offer.

It seems like there are a few major issues here which might be up for debate. The first one is Lord James' aptitude as an intermediary with Foundation X, which was raised by Lord Strathclyde:
Now, it's true that Lord James is not necessarily important enough to have the answer to a question like this. However, he certainly has relevant experience - as he has mentioned during this public debate, he has had experience laundering of billions of pounds of terrorist money (with the IRA) and additional dealings with the North African terrorists. He's definitely qualified for the job - and through these experiences, he's got the references which Foundation X need to establish their credibility with the UK government.

Another issue is the question of their reliability - the foundation claimed to have lodged ?5bn with British banks last year, but nobody noticed this happening at the time. However, if you think about it, if you had three banks with a defecit of 1.5bn, and as part of Lord Myners' financial rearrangements last year, these funds went in, you wouldn't really notice anyway. So it seems like Foundation X so far have a good record as far as honesty about their activities are concerned - but of course that's no guarantee that they will continue to do so in the future!

There's also the problem of their funds being backed up by gold bullion:
People have been saying that Foundation X's funds exceed the amount of gold bullion which has ever been mined from the Earth's crust. Of course, that is just based on a single National Geographic article from 12 years ago. But of course the bank records of the Vatican tell a different story, since they claim to have more gold than the so-called "amount of gold which has ever been mined" as well - point being there's only a single fairly unreliable source on gold tonnage, which has not been proven.

I'm interested to hear people's opinions on these specific points, but I think the Foundation X saga raises a broader ethical/political question about whether governments should accept exorbitant amounts of free money from secret international organisations as a general rule. One school of thought is consequentialist about these sorts of sinister offers - governments always seem to need more money, so maybe we shouldn't be worried about the fact that some of it comes from supra-national enclaves of anonymous individuals with non-transparent motives, just as long as we get the money. But I'm starting to think about the potential problems if a precedent gets set for this sort of thing - sure, Foundation X may be benign and legitimate (as they've said, they just want to protect the wealth of the world, so that they can survive with their wealth in it), but how will we be able to tell if future shadowy secret organisations really have our best interests at heart?

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Flat Earth General / WARNING: Moon Especially Powerful This Week
« on: September 23, 2010, 06:28:17 PM »
It has come to my attention, thanks to warnings from my brother Ichimaru Gin, that the world is currently in the grip of a so-called "Super-harvest Moon" during which the Autumnal Equinox has combined with a full harvest Moon in order to enhance the Moon's deadly rays to unprecedented levels, not expected to be seen again until 2029.

Our scientists have determined that prolonged exposure to the Moon's rays can be damaging to plants, humans and animals. It is possible to read more on the following links:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm#fr_32
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36906.0
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=31831.0


Exposure to the Moon is known to cause tissue damage, especially to the eyes and brain in humans, which can result in blindness, mental perturbation or even death.

Since I am aware that during the course of our astronomical debates, members of the forums often feel impelled to examine the Moon, and may be particularly so inclined during this strange period of the Moon's behaviour, I am posting a series of precautionary guidelines so that a safe attitude towards the Moon may be taken.

On its website, NASA, in its ignorance at the true nature of the Moon, is recklessly encouraging members of the public to sit all night watching the Moon: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/22sep_harvestmoon/

However, this should not be attempted except with the most stringent safety measures.

NB: Moonlight in any quantity may be dangerous to your health - during the Super-harvest Moon it may be safer to stay indoors entirely and avoid exposure.

When viewing the Moon, or expecting to face exposure to the Moon, please try to follow these procedures:

  • Wear sunglasses - Dark glasses may protect your eyes, which are particularly sensitive, from Moon rays which can damage your eyes.
  • Cover any exposed skin - Cases of Moonlight exposure to bare skin can be particularly severe. Always wear long sleeves, gloves and a hat. A balaclava or thick scarf can protect your nose, mouth, cheeks and ears from the Moon.
  • Don't stay out too long - The damage caused by exposure to the Moon increases over time. Try and make sure you are able to return to your home promptly after an episode of Moon exposure, and make sure that you are not exposed for more time than is absolutely necessary.

Even if you are not planning to spend any time outside during the evenings of this dangerous week, you may find the following tips helpful:

  • Protect your home - Moonlight can seep in through uncovered windows, doors and skylights. Make sure that you have thick curtains, or, better still, shutters on major windows which are likely to face the Moon. You may find it useful to tape reflective material, such as aluminium foil (shiny side out) on gaps in your home, or even on the windows themselves, in order to improve Moon-protection further.
  • Make sure your pets are safe - The Moon can hurt animals just as much as humans. Consider bringing your pets indoors during the evening, or if you intend to let them roam the night, you may want to wrap them up in protective clothing just as you did with yourself!
  • Watch out for plants - Moonlight can putrefy many varieties of unsuspecting garden plant. Most flowers close their petals at night in order to protect them from Moon rays, but during the Super-harvest Moon this may not be enough. You may want to cover even self-defending flowers and other plants with aluminium foil or another protective material.

Although posters should be vigilant for the whole week, the Moon is expected to be at its most potent during the small hours of Thursday. Stay indoors if you can!

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Flat Earth Believers / Moon Negotiations
« on: April 29, 2010, 03:09:18 AM »
I am interested to discuss with my colleagues the form, number and arrangement of the celestial bodies. To my esteemed Flat Earth brother John Davis, you have told me that you doubt the existence of Nibiru, the Antimoon.

We all know that the Sun and Moon shine by independent living lights, so what is the true cause of a Lunar Eclipse in your estimation?

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This thread is Haikus
Nothing except for Haikus
Post Haikus, my friends.

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Arts & Entertainment / Deinonychus Crossing the Delaware - Pencil Study
« on: October 31, 2009, 07:00:19 PM »

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Arts & Entertainment / FE Poetry
« on: October 31, 2009, 06:36:20 PM »
There once was a fellow named Plato,
Who thought the Earth like a potato.
He fancied it round
But his mind was unsound
So let's leave him in B.C. 3 8 o.

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Flat Earth Believers / Zetetic Poetry from Lady Blount
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:24:20 PM »
Thanks to Daniel for retrieving scans of this from the British Library. Having a spare moment this evening, I felt compelled to provide a textual transcription of this pleasant verse, which I think reminds us all of some simple but important facts about one aspect of Natural Perspective, and offers perhaps the most ear-pleasing response to questions from globularist enquirers about the nature of the horizon. Soon I will also transcribe the prose which accompanies the poem, and prepare image copies of the PDF diagrams which come with it too.

In the mean time as a valuable part of our historical heritage as the purveyors of the truth, I invite Flat Earthers everywhere to recite it in public, teach it to their children, &c., and always be mindful that it imparts valuable knowledge about the phenomenon of horizons, and a humbling moral message about knowing our own limitations besides.


Wher'er a man's horizon be,
Not one yard further can he see.
Man's eye-formed tent is God's provision
To frame and encircle all his vision,
In all directions he can see,
His eye-line's length the same will be.
His horizontal line of sight
Is equal to its length upright:
That is, straight on before his eye
Is just the same up vertically.
Controlled by certain limits too,
The telescope extends his view:
But its extended line of gaze
Is also equal in all ways,
All mortal things have limit scopes,
Including man-made telescopes.
But globites think their eyes can trace
A hundred million miles in "space":
That is, when looking towards the sun
They say the stars are further on--
Some stars-they-see-are--so they say--
Five hundred million miles away !
But the Creator of the sky
Created too the human eye:
So doubtless, 'tis a wise decision
That man is limited in vision,
And each man's dome, formed by his eye
   (i.e., the limitation of his Sight-Sense)
Holds all he sees of earth or sky
   (i.e., simultaneously).

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Flat Earth Believers / To the Flat Earth Believers - The Sun & Moon
« on: August 27, 2009, 10:57:27 PM »
Dear friends and colleagues,

I have recently been investigating the notion that the Sun's surface is a bioluminescent material, and the Moon's too. Since the time of the Ancient Egyptians and Greeks, people have known that the Sun was alive, it is attested in a variety of ancient sources from both these cultures. The Egyptian Atenist movement explicity held this belief to be one of their central doctrines, and the pre-Atenist tradition renders the Sun as a living being, or at least, associated and governed by a living being. In the Odyssey, the hero's crew enrage Hyperion, the manifest intelligence of the Solar body, by eating His cows (a fascinating tradition in antiquity exists between cows and the Sun, returning to Egypt, the shrewd anthropologist, archaeologist or other investigator discovers that the threads of solar-bovine intertwining run deep through the traditions of the archetypal beings Menthu and Apis, but this is another concern for another time). Aristotle considered that there is a grain of truth in all opinions, and perhaps I am about to partially fulfill this observation, though as you are about to find out, I certainly do not think the Sun is a cow.


Above: Apis, the Egyptian Sun-Bull

Science tells us that the celestial bodies are for the most part made of metal, probably iron. What I have been contemplating for a long while, is that the celestial bodies may be more like the Earth than we think. It is clear that they have metallic cores at least, just like the Earth, but it is not unreasonable to suspect that over these cores are areas of biomass. This is certainly what we find when we examine the Earth, and while it is not right to make inductions about the celestial bodies based on observation of the Earth, it renders the notion within the scope of proper investigation.

What Science Tells Us About the Lights of the Celestial Bodies

I probably need scarcely remind my colleagues of the manifold proofs that the Moon shines by her own light. I provide a sample of them here only in order that they may be readily referenced and fresh in the minds of inquirers. To this end, I replicate here a posting which I made a number of months ago, which I feel covers a range of these arguments and in which I have cited a number of reputable sources.

Experiments involving concentrated Moonlight have been performed and revealed that it cannot warm an object. It simply is not attended by heat.

Quote from: (Lardner: 1854-6, 115)
Now this question has been submitted to the test of direct experiment, and the result has been directly opposite to such a notion.  The bulb of a thermometer sufficiently sensitive to render apparent a change of temperature amounting to the thousandth part of a degree, was place in the focus of a concave reflector of vast dimension, which being directed to the moon, the lunar rays were collected with great power upon it.  Not the slightest change, however, was produced in the thermometric column, proving that a concentration of rays sufficient to fuse gold, if thy proceeded from the sun, does not produce a change of temperature so great as the thousandth part of a degree when they proceed from the moon.

Another characteristic of Moonlight which distinguishes it from Sunlight is its putrefying effect on plants.

Oh, now this is a new one to me, please do tell us about this. I'm sure you have a link somewhere...

Its night time and my plants in the garden and greenhouse are OK out there.

That's because it's now June. During the spring, if you've been an irresponsible gardener, some of your plants may have sustained uncharacteristic damage at night.

Quote from: (Lardner: 1854-6, 115)
Gardeners give the name of Red Moon to that moon which is full between the middle of April and the close of May.  According to them the light of the moon at that season exercises an injurious influence upon the young shoots of plants. They say that when the sky is clear the leaves and buds exposed to the lunar light redden and are killed as if by frost, at a time when the thermometer exposed to the atmosphere stands at many degrees above the freezing point. They say, also, that if a clouded sky intercept the moon's light it prevents these injurious consequences to the plants, although the circumstances of temperature are the same in both cases.

I have personally experienced Red Moon Syndrome on a number of my own plants in the past, though this year and the last few years they have been spared thanks to my careful precautions. Furthermore, the topic can again be put to direct experiment. Take two identical plants in the same soil, and give them the same amount of water, but expose one to moonlight and one to sunlight. This can be effected by placing a pot over the sunlight control at night to protect it from moonlight, and the same pot over the other during the day such that it is exposed to moonlight during the night. I assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the plant exposed to moonlight will die promptly and grotesquely.

Direct Sunlight also has a diminishing effect on fire, Moonlight has no such effect.

Don't you think its the brightness of the sun just drowning out the fires light? OK, thats too obvious and I'm sure you have an answer to that one.

No, and if you were at all proficient in cooking and the culinary arts you would be well aware of this. When cooking with a gas stove or any open flame, it is customary to keep curtains closed during the day in order that the flame not be extinguished or diminished by the sunlight.

Quote from: (Rowbotham: 1881, 142)
It is a well known fact, that if the sun is allowed to shine strongly upon a common coal, coke, wood, or charcoal fire, the combustion is greatly diminished; and often the fire is extinguished. It is not an uncommon thing for cooks, housewives, and others to draw down the blinds in summer time to prevent their fires being put out by the continued stream of sun-light pouring through the windows.


Oh, and "positive amount of heat". As opposed to a "negative amount of heat"? :)

Yes.

Quote from: (Lardner: 1854-6, 115)
According to the notions of these agriculturists the rays of lunar light are endowed with a certain frigorific property, in the same manner as those of solar light are endowed with a calorific virtue; and that as the latter raise the temperature of objects upon which they are directed, the former, on the contrary, lower their temperature.


References

Lardner, D. (1854-6) 'The Museum of Science and Art', London: Walton and Maberly

Rowbotham, "Parallax", S. B. (1881) 'Earth Not a Globe...', Third Edition, London: Simpkin, Marshall & Co.

A Summary of the Salient Facts So Far Established

* The light produced by the Moon is of a different character to that of the Sun:
* Sunlight is attended always by a great heat, Moonlight by none (this proven in Dickens, again by Lardner)
* Moonlight is highly injurous to plants, animals and humans (this attested by Lardner, subjected to empirical experiment by myself)
* Sunlight is essential to plants, &c., &c.
* Sunlight tends to extinguish fires, despite its great heat, Moonlight to exasperate them (this attested by Parallax and easily confirmed by observation).
* From the above we infer that the Moon is an independant light source.


To me it is the different properties of the lights which seems most important as I apprehend it with regard to the question of whether the bodies are alive and are shining by bioluminescent means. Scarcely do we find such a variety of qualitatively different light sources than in the animal kingdom, such as are found in the bodies and appendages of deep-sea fishes, eels, &c.

As to the notion that the Sun (and perhaps the Moon) are lit by way of nuclear processes, this I discount by virtue of the size of them being incompatible with their apparent longevity, since such processes would devour the substance of those bodies at a considerable rate. Were the light constantly renewed by biological propagation, the apparent longevity of those bodies' lights would be obviously explained.

The effects of Moonlight on living things, the putrefication of plants under the Red Moon, its disturbing of fishes and wildlife, and its propensity to cause blindness and insanity in humans too long exposed to it, while well-documented, have remained so far completely unexplained in their underlying causality. Consider this: within the animal kingdom, we find very many bizarre and wonderful contrivances for the defense of particular animals and plants, such as crabs with electrical claws, eels which are also electrical, plants with teeth and resins to capture and consume insects, all manner of camouflages, poisons, and vectors of violence and irritation by which to defend against other animals. And the effects attendent of Moonlight, to my mind, are very typical of the biological defense responses evolved in the plants and animals of Earth. The ability to ward off predation by plants, fish and animals has found all manner of expression in biology and botany, and this ability is just what the Moon seems to possess. When we consider the terrestrial origin of the Moon, it does not seem unlikely that some algae or insect or other with these properties found its way onto the Moon before the Moon seperated from the prehistoric surface.



Biological defense mechanisms in terrestrial animals are as numerous and astounding as the human imagination can countenance

Feeding from soil on the Lunar surface, and in dying, excreting or other activities replenishing that soil, a colony of luminescent creatures could well subsist. So much of their energy dedicated to producing their defensive rays, it is hardly surprising at all that they cannot shine with very much brightness, nor wastefully expend themselves in producing even the slightest bodily heat.

I also believe that one of the great mysteries of the Universe is brought into clarity by this discovery. The regular monthly motions of the illuminated portions of the Moon has been somewhat of an uncertainty to our body of science for a long time. What I now consider to be the cause of these is none other than the migrations of luminescent biomass (be it animal or vegetable, or some other kind of classification entirely), by necessity in the face of some peculiarity of their feeding patterns, or else by some breeding ritual or even by some other of the many cyclical activities of living things.

The Sun, we know to possess none of the aggressive defenses of the Moon (more accurately, perhaps, LESSER defenses, as its cancerous tendencies have been recently discovered, and I suppose on reflection that a nasty Sun-burn is reminiscent of being stung by a nettle, or by wasps, bees, hornets, &c., and certainly these are biological defenses among those animals). In any case, the lesser complexity and severity of its biological defenses make its ability to produce a much greater illumination hardly a surprise, as well as affording its abundant excretion of heat, such as the bodies of many animals can afford to do in the biodiversity of Earth. The absences of much discernable migration of biomass, as we see on the Moon, is perhaps attributable to a greater density of the Solar life, or simply to a higher level of stability in terms of the habits which compel the seasonal migration of the Lunar. HOWEVER - the existence and motion of Sun Spots testifies further to the notion that some migratory activity is occuring on the Sun, though less noticable to the unobservant eye because of the Sun's brightness and the density of its biological coverage.


NOT SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH???

Continually observing the Sun and the Moon and the behaviours of their surfaces, I am ever more convinced of the likelyhood of these suspicions, and I believe the same may be true of other Flat Earth investigators, whom I invite to perform some reflection and investigation, and to share their observations, opinions and other information regarding this discovery.


I trust that these revelations will enable to you to view the celestial bodies in a new... light.

Your faithful servant,
James McIntyre

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / A Question for a Christian
« on: July 23, 2009, 05:26:36 PM »
Or perhaps more than one Christian. I'm not trying to be a smart-alec with this query, I genuinely wish to hear a sincere response by a person who believes in the modern Christian God. I was tempted, after becoming embroiled in the existing 30-pager on Christianity, to post it there, but I felt it was worth its own thread since it deviated from the current trend of discussion, and also involves some etymology and other unrelated items to that thread.

My question, then:

Are you at all worried about the anger you're probably provoking your deity to by referring to him with a name which is derived from a kenning of the pagan Odin, the patriarch of an anti-Christian pantheon of false deities?

"Godan", from which it is known that the word "God" derives, is the Old Lombardic rendering of Odin/Woden/Wodan.

Now, the deity whose activities and existence are attested in the Bible is reported to have declared explicitly that His name was Yahweh, Jahveh or Jehovah, depending on how you say it, and that He was the only deity, not the king of many others.

With these two facts in mind, why are you calling him by a nickname of Odin?

Don't you consider it a form of fairly offensive blasphemy?

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MIGRATED FROM .NET SITE JULY 11TH 2009

I'm replicating the fully compiled Space Masters research of mine and Tom Bishop's here, where it won't sink beneath mountains of small posts, so it can remain in all its glory and stark condemnation of the Conspiracy's dirtiest secret (besides the Earth being flat).


50th Space Wing: Masters of Space, The Space Baron Cartel and the Great GPS Hoax - A Satanic Aerospace Cult Scrapbook

I will periodically update this thread as new evidence comes to light. Feel free to post reasonable conjecture if you uncover more of the aerospace Con!

I touched on this particularly unsavoury division of the Conspiracy in a previous thread ( http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19341.msg356507#msg356507 ), but I have spent a couple of days amassing new evidence that many major airlines, aeronautical contractors and space agencies are involved in something above and beyond the plain-old greed of the OTHER bits of the Conspiracy... something decidedly more sinister.

Just a quick recap - I already unmasked a small part of this conspiracy in The Star Alliance, an airline cartel. As one of the most pollutive industries in the world, most airlines subscribe to the ultra-hedonistic, even sociopathic philosophies of radical Satanism. Self-aggrandizing, machiavellian doctrines allow these particularly evil Conspirators to conduct their potentially Ice-Wall-destroying business, under the pretense that the Earth is round so melting ice caps are less important, without any concern for the welfare of humanity whatsoever.
 


"The Star Alliance", incidentally, is an anagram of "I'll cheer at Satan". Here is Wolfgang Mayrhuber of Lufthansa (a key cult leader) brandishing a space-age pitchfork (old-fashioned pitchfork image provided for comparison)


Shocking enough already, isn't it? That was just the tip of the iceberg. I recently discovered that Satanism in the aerospace industry goes far beyond just airlines.

Let's start with these guys.

Star Alliance aren't the only ones with a flashy pentagram in their logo, acting like a beacon for other satanic investors and business partners. I guess Lockheed's old logo (above) wasn't quite obvious enough, so when they merged and became LockheedMartin in 1995, they kept the pentagram but added a little note about their dark lord underneath (for those who can't read it, it says "We never forget who we're working for").


Lived Eht Asan indeed, but also Lived Eht Deehkcol by the look of things.

Lockheed was responsible for "launching" the Hubble Space Telescope, as well as MILSTAR, an 800 million dollar pseudolite (read - fleet of high-altitude planes), also GPS, which convenientely happen to be operated by the so-called Masters of Space (more on them later).

Here's some Lockheed skullduggery which went on back in the 70's just to give you an idea of what upstanding folks this organisation employs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals

LockheedMartin was planning to merge with Northrop Grumman a few years back, but they couldn't in the end because it would reveal the defense industry to be the single homogenous orgy of devil-worship and space-fakery that it is. They have to maintain the illusion of being "competing companies".

Northrop Grumman happen to be the parent company for an old friend of ours:


For those who don't know, Scaled Composites are the company pretending to build Richard Branson's spaceship.



Northrop Grumman was recently discovered to have been swindling the government by overcharging for their "space parts". This is basically the Conspiracy's business model. They all do this, all the time. I guess in this particular instance they couldn't figure out a way to murder Bagley quietly enough, so they just shrugged it off and payed back the $111 million.
http://www.phillipsandcohen.com/CM/NewsSettlements/Northrop_Jun_9_2003.asp

LockheedMartin of course do this kind of thing, too. Although they do genuinely produce some aircraft, they maintain a secret laboratory of space-fakery at their notorious "Skunkworks".
BELOW: The empty, lifeless eyes of the Skunkworks mascot peer into your soul, wondering if it can trick you into buying a spaceship. In Native American folklore, the skunk was considered an archetypal trickster, an animal strongly associated with deception and false appearances. A fitting emblem, indeed.


Anyway, onwards and upwards (literally).

The 50th Space Wing: Masters of Space

It sounds like the title of a terrible sci-fi B-movie, but it's actually a branch of the US Air Force. The Space Masters trace their roots back to a fighter-bomber squadron from the Cold War, but they now use their old high-performance stealth aircraft to conduct another key Conspiracy swindle - the GPS hoax. The Conspiracy claimed that it would require upwards of 24 "satellites" to run a global positioning system. Lockheed were right there with their foul devil-skunk mascot, ready to "build" these "satellites" at exorbitant cost to the clueless US goverment. Guess who the Masters of Space gave the contract to? Of course, the Space Masters already had an extensive fleet of potential pseudolite craft, so where did the money actually go? My guess is that the Conspiracy all got together and had a wild, satan-themed all-night party at the Skunkworks, but there's really no way we can ever know for sure. They probably used some of it for bribes though.


ABOVE:    Jaan Albrecht, CEO of The Star Alliance, looking a little rough around the edges, presumably on the morning after one such revelrous occasion.

So that's a bit of background on the 50th Space Wing. Here's their insignia:

Note the terrifying winged, goat-hoofed demon, chillingly rendered on badges in bone-white cotton.

Col. Cary C. Chun, the current Commander of the Masters of Space, was previously chief of "Special Operations" in the secret underground base of NORAD, buried deep in a mountain in Colorado.

I didn't really dig up much on NORAD yet, but here's their logo:

The classic ritual dagger of Satanism overlays a massive picture of the Round Earth. Coincidence? Maybe. The jury's still out on NORAD at the time of this writing. The Current Space Wing commander basically has to be aware of the Conspiracy - he is responsible for all Department of Defense satellites (i.e., their signals are broadcast from the fleet of modified Cold War fighters and bombers under his command). But does that necessarily mean that NORAD is a part of this organization? Were other NORAD high-ups knowingly involved in the Round Earth Conspiracy?

Well, I don't know yet. But anyway, the 50th Space Wing: Masters of Space are ultimately (on paper, anyway) controlled by AFSPC, the Air Force Space Command. There's some Satanic/Conspiracy imagery on their insignia which may not be immediately obvious.

Ok, so there's a big fat Round Earth picture. Big surprise.
What about that grey chevron thing in the front though?
Turns out, that isoscoles triangle has exactly the same angles as any one "prong" of a pentagram, a favorite symbol within the aerospace devilcult.

But where are the other four prongs?



In Soviet Russia, Space Program falsify YOU!

The POCKOCMOC, or FKA, is the current Russian space agency. Look carefully at the Satanic chevron on their logo - that is one fifth of a full pentagram right there. Following the brilliant ruse of the American Space Masters, the FKA is currently engaged in faking their own uber-expensive GPS programme, the so called "GlonAss" project.


What do you know. The GlonAss logo has a big fat Round Earth drawn on it. Fancy that!

So the AFSPC and POCKOCMOC both have this 1/5th of a pentagram on their insignia, and they're both engaged in a GPS hoax.

Come with me now, across one of Russia's Southeastern borders, to the mysterious land of the orient...



The Chinese space agency, CNSA, have run their own GPS racket called Beidou, but now they're back for another shot, having announced "COMPASS" a clone of the American GPS system (i.e., a bunch of planes to broadcast signals and some "launch" fireworks to maintain the illusion). What's that? The CNSA has a pentagram-angled chevron on their logo as well?



IRNSS is the name of the Indian Space Research Organization(ISRO)'s planned GPS con. Nice orange penta-chevron, guys. That's 4 prongs.

So where's the fifth?

Outdoing all four of the others in terms of blatantness, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, JAXA, who recently annouced THEIR plans for a GPS racket (called QZSS), have not only got an appropriately shaped chevron on their insignia...

...they've gone and put a whole pentagram on there!


Five Space agencies, with five points of a five-pointed pentagram split up between them, running five GPS cover-ups. It's an international five-point Council of Evil, and it won't stop until we all die when they melt the Ice Wall with the fumes from their countless high-altitude aircraft!

That's all for now, but I'll leave you with this telling picture:

MAYRHUBER: "Did you see me mit zat brilliant evil-looking space-pitchfork? Cool, ja?!"
BRANSON: "Shhh, Brother Mayrhuber! You'll blow our cover!"



Supplementary Update I: Further links between Branson and the Satanic Space Barons?





Quote from: Mike Oldfield lyrics
I've been walking in the backyard of satan,
I'm so stubborn that I'll never give in!

http://tubular.net/articles/98_xx.shtml
Article documenting Oldfield's dealings with Branson and Virgin Group. More here than meets the eye?


Quote from: Richard Branson, in a CBS news interview
We are global. We are a way of life.
Quote from: Article on DJPS.co.uk, a Satanist Website
Satanism is more than philosophy, it is a way of life.


Above: Branson hefts the iconic Round-Earth Globe, symbol of the Conspiracy in general.



Supplementary Update II: More Soviet Satanism
Thanks very much to my esteemed colleague Tom Bishop for the following contributions:

The "Salyut" programs involved the launches of no less than 9 redundant "space stations", between 1971 and 1982. Their insignia had the same pentagram style (fully line-drawn (i.e. "true pentagram"), with a single lower line missing) as the Lockheed Martin logo.

Unlike Lockheed's, Salyut's Baphomet Sigil overlays a stylised globularist Earth (note latitudinal and longitudinal markings). It's one of the most brazen Conspiracy logos we've found so far.



Mir, a second Soviet Space Station program, makes use of the same style:



That's right, Lockheed Martin, an American defense contractor, decided to share their logo with a series of major Soviet Space Programs. "Space Race" my arse.

Finally, here's a Russian Space Badge featuring the notorious "inverted crucifix" - a symbol with almost as much currency for Satanists as the pentagram.


Quote from: Tom Bishop
A soviet space ship heading towards an upside down Catholic cross... A bit of an odd choice for a space agency's insignia. I suppose this was from a time before the space agencies decided to standardized their logo designs to chevrons and pentagrams.

Actually Tom, it's the insignia of Soyuz TMA-9, a 2006 "mission" to the International Space Satan. It certainly wouldn't have a chevron though, because as I've pointed out, those are seemingly reserved for the five Space Baron factions in charge of GPS hoaxes - one of the most lucrative Conspiracy schemes to date purely because of the sheer number of spacecraft which each faction can claim to have launched.




Supplementary Update III: Satan Missile!

Again, thanks to Mr. Bishop for diligent research.

An ICBM has been woven in to the mythology of Space Travel as presented from the minds of the Conspiracy's most iniquitous professional liars. SS-18 SATAN (YES, THEY ACTUALLY CALLED THE MISSILE 'SATAN') is a Russian missile which is supposedly going to be converted for travel to Mars. Yeah right.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6729146/

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/icbm/r-36m.htm

Below: SS-18 Satan ferries cargo to Mars in this fantasy space travel scenario, its name subversively inviting worship of the Dark Lord to the inquring Science Fiction dreamer as it blasts into the sky like some perverse pagan phallus of iron:




Supplementary Update IV: International Space Satan, Triquerta Columbia

The shape of the International Space Station is modelled after the Russian Orthodox Cross, the two are shown below:



So what's the deal here?

To quote myself:
The Orthodox Cross in the "International Space Satan" as I like to call it is truly remarkable. There can be no reason whatsoever, beyond symbolism, for that shape - according to the globularist's own absurd theorems, a starship like that wouldn't need any particular-shaped design at all. If magical gravity is pulling it around the Round Earth, and it's outside the spherical atmolayer, it could be any shape at all! I say this because I'm certain that otherwise a Round Earther will claim that it has to be shaped like that for aerodynamics or some nonsense.

What's initially confusing is the use of apparently Christian imagery, although there is certainly a reasonable explanation. In the globular mythology, the Space Heathens have ejected the ISS from the atmolayer itself, signifying a metaphorical rejection of Christian Orthodoxy (a religious sect which, incidentally, might be considered more "Zetetic-friendly" than modern Christianity) in favour of worshipping demons.

Tom pointed out further Satanic imagery in the now-famous Columbia Space Shuttle's patch - the reportedly totalled craft's insignia features the Triquerta, pictured below.


Quote
The triquetra symbol has its origins in the occult. It has always been associated with pagan beliefs, satanic practices, and witchcraft.

Here's the NASA rendition of this ancient demonic sigil, underneath a particularly sinister-looking head-on Columbia picture:



Such overt use of occult symbols appears to have been offset by a Columbia logo re-design (below). Note the two upright crucifixes, big happy eagle and stars and stripes. Whether this is an attempt to assuage suspicion raised by the use of the Triquerta, or just the inadequate Satanity of a rookie Conspiracy illustrator who ended up "doing it wrong" is anyone's guess.



Here's an example of how it's mean to be done - the teen-satanist angst in this Challenger mission patch is almost overwhelming. An inverted crucifix is CONTAINED WITHIN a pentagram on a blood-red splotch, next to what may be the most evil-looking spacecraft ever drawn. Further "Ejection Imagery" is included, with seven helpless crosses marooned in space behind the giant Space Menace, hatch opening to reveal the evil within, forming the shape of a number seven:


Extra reading: the five-pointed pentagram in this patch also takes the form of the Magickal (occult) "Chaos Star" - truly a Space-Satanist's wet-dream. Here's the link: http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefschaoswheel.htm

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The Lounge / Back!
« on: May 26, 2009, 12:35:41 AM »
Hey there FES! Just wanted to say, thanks to all of you who posted in that welcome back thread for me yesterday. Not entirely sure why that one got deleted, but hopefully whoever it was might think twice about deleting a thread which I make myself, so here it is: consider this a replacement to that one!

I appreciated the warm welcome. I've missed you all, and perhaps you'll see me coming back more visibly onto the FE scene a bit more in the near future. I've been conducting some new research on a few particular divisions of the Conspiracy which might not have been discussed before, and I'll be sure to post my findings when I'm finished. Watch this space!

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I will periodically update this thread as new evidence comes to light. Feel free to post reasonable conjecture if you uncover more of the aerospace Con!

I touched on this particularly unsavoury division of the Conspiracy in a previous thread ( http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19341.msg356507#msg356507 ), but I have spent a couple of days amassing new evidence that many major airlines, aeronautical contractors and space agencies are involved in something above and beyond the plain-old greed of the OTHER bits of the Conspiracy... something decidedly more sinister.

Just a quick recap - I already unmasked a small part of this conspiracy in The Star Alliance, an airline cartel. As one of the most pollutive industries in the world, most airlines subscribe to the ultra-hedonistic, even sociopathic philosophies of radical Satanism. Self-aggrandizing, machiavellian doctrines allow these particularly evil Conspirators to conduct their potentially Ice-Wall-destroying business, under the pretense that the Earth is round so melting ice caps are less important, without any concern for the welfare of humanity whatsoever.
 


"The Star Alliance", incidentally, is an anagram of "I'll cheer at Satan". Here is Wolfgang Mayrhuber of Lufthansa (a key cult leader) brandishing a space-age pitchfork (old-fashioned pitchfork image provided for comparison)


Shocking enough already, isn't it? That was just the tip of the iceberg. I recently discovered that Satanism in the aerospace industry goes far beyond just airlines.

Let's start with these guys.

Star Alliance aren't the only ones with a flashy pentagram in their logo, acting like a beacon for other satanic investors and business partners. I guess Lockheed's old logo (above) wasn't quite obvious enough, so when they merged and became LockheedMartin in 1995, they kept the pentagram but added a little note about their dark lord underneath (for those who can't read it, it says "We never forget who we're working for").


Lived Eht Asan indeed, but also Lived Eht Deehkcol by the look of things.

Lockheed was responsible for "launching" the Hubble Space Telescope, as well as MILSTAR, an 800 million dollar pseudolite (read - fleet of high-altitude planes), also GPS, which convenientely happen to be operated by the so-called Masters of Space (more on them later).

Here's some Lockheed skullduggery which went on back in the 70's just to give you an idea of what upstanding folks this organisation employs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals

LockheedMartin was planning to merge with Northrop Grumman a few years back, but they couldn't in the end because it would reveal the defense industry to be the single homogenous orgy of devil-worship and space-fakery that it is. They have to maintain the illusion of being "competing companies".

Northrop Grumman happen to be the parent company for an old friend of ours:


For those who don't know, Scaled Composites are the company pretending to build Richard Branson's spaceship.



Northrop Grumman was recently discovered to have been swindling the government by overcharging for their "space parts". This is basically the Conspiracy's business model. They all do this, all the time. I guess in this particular instance they couldn't figure out a way to murder Bagley quietly enough, so they just shrugged it off and payed back the $111 million.
http://www.phillipsandcohen.com/CM/NewsSettlements/Northrop_Jun_9_2003.asp

LockheedMartin of course do this kind of thing, too. Although they do genuinely produce some aircraft, they maintain a secret laboratory of space-fakery at their notorious "Skunkworks".
BELOW: The empty, lifeless eyes of the Skunkworks mascot peer into your soul, wondering if it can trick you into buying a spaceship. In Native American folklore, the skunk was considered an archetypal trickster, an animal strongly associated with deception and false appearances. A fitting emblem, indeed.


Anyway, onwards and upwards (literally).

The 50th Space Wing: Masters of Space

It sounds like the title of a terrible sci-fi B-movie, but it's actually a branch of the US Air Force. The Space Masters trace their roots back to a fighter-bomber squadron from the Cold War, but they now use their old high-performance stealth aircraft to conduct another key Conspiracy swindle - the GPS hoax. The Conspiracy claimed that it would require upwards of 24 "satellites" to run a global positioning system. Lockheed were right there with their foul devil-skunk mascot, ready to "build" these "satellites" at exorbitant cost to the clueless US goverment. Guess who the Masters of Space gave the contract to? Of course, the Space Masters already had an extensive fleet of potential pseudolite craft, so where did the money actually go? My guess is that the Conspiracy all got together and had a wild, cocaine-fuelled, satan-themed all-night party at the Skunkworks, but there's really no way we can ever know for sure. They probably used some of it for bribes though.


ABOVE:    Jaan Albrecht, CEO of The Star Alliance, looking a little rough around the edges, presumably on the morning after one such revelrous occasion.

So that's a bit of background on the 50th Space Wing. Here's their insignia:

Note the terrifying winged, goat-hoofed demon, chillingly rendered on badges in bone-white cotton.

Col. Cary C. Chun, the current Commander of the Masters of Space, was previously chief of "Special Operations" in the secret underground base of NORAD, buried deep in a mountain in Colorado.

I didn't really dig up much on NORAD yet, but here's their logo:

The classic ritual dagger of Satanism overlays a massive picture of the Round Earth. Coincidence? Maybe. The jury's still out on NORAD at the time of this writing. The Current Space Wing commander basically has to be aware of the Conspiracy - he is responsible for all Department of Defense satellites (i.e., their signals are broadcast from the fleet of modified Cold War fighters and bombers under his command). But does that necessarily mean that NORAD is a part of this organization? Were other NORAD high-ups knowingly involved in the Round Earth Conspiracy?

Well, I don't know yet. But anyway, the 50th Space Wing: Masters of Space are ultimately (on paper, anyway) controlled by AFSPC, the Air Force Space Command. There's some Satanic/Conspiracy imagery on their insignia which may not be immediately obvious.

Ok, so there's a big fat Round Earth picture. Big surprise.
What about that grey chevron thing in the front though?
Turns out, that isoscoles triangle has exactly the same angles as any one "prong" of a pentagram, a favorite symbol within the aerospace devilcult.

But where are the other four prongs?



In Soviet Russia, Space Program falsify YOU!

The POCKOCMOC, or FKA, is the current Russian space agency. Look carefully at the Satanic chevron on their logo - that is one fifth of a full pentagram right there. Following the brilliant ruse of the American Space Masters, the FKA is currently engaged in faking their own uber-expensive GPS programme, the so called "GlonAss" project.


What do you know. The GlonAss logo has a big fat Round Earth drawn on it. Fancy that!

So the AFSPC and POCKOCMOC both have this 1/5th of a pentagram on their insignia, and they're both engaged in a GPS hoax.

Come with me now, across one of Russia's Southeastern borders, to the mysterious land of the orient...



The Chinese space agency, CNSA, have run their own GPS racket called Beidou, but now they're back for another shot, having announced "COMPASS" a clone of the American GPS system (i.e., a bunch of planes to broadcast signals and some "launch" fireworks to maintain the illusion). What's that? The CNSA has a pentagram-angled chevron on their logo as well?



IRNSS is the name of the Indian Space Research Organization(ISRO)'s planned GPS con. Nice orange penta-chevron, guys. That's 4 prongs.

So where's the fifth?

Outdoing all four of the others in terms of blatantness, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, JAXA, who recently annouced THEIR plans for a GPS racket (called QZSS), have not only got an appropriately shaped chevron on their insignia...

...they've gone and put a whole pentagram on there!


Five Space agencies, with five points of a five-pointed pentagram split up between them, running five GPS cover-ups. It's an international five-point Council of Evil, and it won't stop until we all die when they melt the Ice Wall with the fumes from their countless high-altitude aircraft!

That's all for now, but I'll leave you with this telling picture:

MAYRHUBER: "Did you see me mit zat brilliant evil-looking space-pitchfork? Cool, ja?!"
BRANSON: "Shhh, Brother Mayrhuber! You'll blow our cover!"

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Flat Earth Q&A / MOVED: heyy i'm new here
« on: August 04, 2008, 07:08:48 AM »

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Flat Earth Debate / The Ice Wall - Scholar's Interpretations
« on: June 06, 2008, 04:39:51 PM »
I am preparing an inaugural article for my own Flat Earth website, "the Modern Flat Earth Theory Compendium", which I shall hopefully disseminate in the coming months. The subject of this particular article is the Ice Wall, and in this thread, I would like to marshal the different opinions of serious Zetetic theorists on its exact nature and form, as well as evidence for these opinions.

Currently I have started to compile a section detailing the contributions of the Zetetic forefathers on the topic, so far including information from Dr. Rowbotham and David Wardlaw Scott. Provision of any other classical Zetetic views would be greatly appreciated, provided they are sourced.

In particular, I would like to request input from Tom Bishop, Username and Raa (and Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite if he's still about) on their opinions about the Ice Wall and what has formed these opinions, and other prolific members such as theEngineer are welcome to make sincere contributions of information, evidence or sources. I'd additionally like to hear lived_eht_asan's views on the subject.

Some major questions I wish to address to my Zetetic colleagues about their personal convictions on the topic:

  • The Ross Ice Shelf - do you believe that it is synonymous with the Ice Wall described in ENaG Chapter 4? If so, why?
  • If not, what is the approximate vertical and horizontal extent of the Ice Wall, and why?
  • What, in your view, is the likely extent of Conspiracy presence at the Ice Wall (conceding that it cannot, in many cases, be fully known), and what evidence can be brought to bear on this topic (I shall already be including an assessment of Scott's possible murder and any other phenomena I can think of)?

Any assessment of related phenomena is welcome, as well as any scholarly quotations or other evidence which can be brought to bear on the subject. Please include the names or pseudonyms by which you would like to be attributed, as I will attribute all major contributions and posthulations.

CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT: I will be keeping a close eye on this thread, and would like to warn members that I request SINCERE AND MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTIONS only. I do not wish to allow discussion, in this thread, of the Ice Wall not existing based on the precepts of globularism, but am happy to discuss this openly in a different thread. Nor do I wish to allow tongue-in-cheek posts, trolling or discussion of anything except what has been specified. I will personally delete any posts which do not conform to these standards, and likely issue probationary bans for violators of this red notice.

EDIT:
Users who have so far received bans as a result of direct violation of this notice:
Penispoop agogo - 5 day ban

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Flat Earth Debate / Gravity documentary
« on: January 29, 2008, 02:27:10 PM »
Just finished watching a documentary on channel 2 about gravity. Now, globularists might expect that such a program would reinforce globular ideas, but if anything it bolstered my zeteticism by reminding me just how clueless globularist scientists actually are about the magic force they made up.

On Einstein's "spacetime bending":
Quote from: documentary
It does seem impossible to prove... and it basically is.

There was a hilarious interview with a Glob scientist who claimed to be using mirrors on the moon to measure the moon's exact position. He claimed it was very difficult because "of all the thousands of photons we shoot out to the moon from our laser, maybe only 10 will come back at us". As if the Moon isn't kicking out literally millions of photons every second anyway  ::)

There was a sinister segment filmed inside the GPS HQ (for those not previously aware, yes, GPS is run entirely by the US military) where a lot of serious-looking army types shouted random coded sentences and numbers to make it look like they were doing something important.

I also got a chuckle (but a chuckle of pity) out of an interview with some of the poor deluded guys at FermiLab, who've spent huge amounts of money building a massive particle accelerator in the hopes that they'll sometime find a graviton - the completely made-up, never-observed particle which contemporary globularists proclaim as the ultimate reason behind gravity's mysterious existence. These folks are clearly completely unaware of the Conspiracy. It saddens me a lot that they honestly believe by wasting all this time they're going to actually find something which simply doesn't exist.

So globularists and gravity-believers, I have a few questions which stem from this post.

Can I get an ETA on us finding an actual graviton?  :P

At what stage will it be appropriate for the globularists to admit that gravitons don't exist and come up with a new completely unproven hypothesis as to why gravity actually happens?

What do you think this hypothesis will be?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Moon
« on: January 21, 2008, 01:19:57 PM »
Tonight is the full moon, and I've been looking at it and doing some thinking.

I address this both to globularists and to zetetics who hold that the moon is a sphere (Rowbotham actually subscribed to this interpretation, which I tentatively disagree with).

When observing the light of the full moon, I'm struck by a particular discrepancy which suggests a non-globular approach. Observing any other illuminated sphere in nature, it stands to reason that more intense light is reflected (or emitted) towards the centre than towards the edges. Through this intuitive knowledge, by occular scrutiny alone, we can usually discern that an object is a sphere rather than a flat circle. As I observed the moon tonight, I clearly saw no such dimming of lunar extremities. Why does the full moon present a uniform circle of light?

There needs to be some serious explaining done, because no sphere I've seen has emitted or reflected light in a similar pattern. A sphere, surely, should darken towards its outer reaches.

I don't want some vague, copy-pasted wikipedia article about the globularist moon theory, I want hard-hitting, convincing scientific explanation from our globularist (or round-moonist) members of how the moon could be a sphere yet appear as a flat circle.

I'm potentially open to change my mind on the moon issue, but only when I get a sufficiently compelling answer.

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