Poll

What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

911 What is the truth?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #150 on: February 15, 2017, 04:48:52 AM »
PS Your God doesn't exist,  deal with it.

My god is the NIST. Bow down and worship the NIST.

FTFY, you sick _ _ _ _.
Keep up the good work totallackey,  you are making a compelling case reinforcing my view of 911 conspiracy theories.

And you keep up the party line and OS mantra!

It is true nothing will ever be effectively done about changing the actual guard or catching the real criminals in this case.

The spooks from Texas are the real killers and they have made everyone a lot of money and that is all anyone really cares about in the end.

Comfort while alive here on Earth.

I remain convinced a vast majority of people who watched the buildings fall that day knew exactly what they were watching: a controlled demolition in progress.

It really was quite impressive aside from the fact people died and the OS gave birth to further drug and oil wars, designed only to enrichen the criminals in office, who also happened to be the owners and major investors in Blackwater and Halliburton.

See, shit like that does not fucking bother you though...

You are the most pathetic type of person alive.

I only write that because it is true and it will always be true.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #151 on: February 15, 2017, 04:54:26 AM »
Actually he raised a very important and relevant point.

No he posted a selfie and mumbled something about NIST model inputs.

I think he was looking for this http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=101013

But I doubt he would know what to do with it.

And neither would you because this information offers nothing relative to the fucking theory planes brought down WTC 1 and 2.

Not to mention it offers absolutely nothing relative to WTC 7.

Stop being a total fucking


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #152 on: February 15, 2017, 04:56:24 AM »

It really was quite impressive aside from the fact people died and the OS gave birth to further drug and oil wars, designed only to enrichen the criminals in office, who also happened to be the owners and major investors in Blackwater and Halliburton.

See, shit like that does not fucking bother you though...

You are the most pathetic type of person alive.

I only write that because it is true and it will always be true.

By denying that the real perpetrator was radical islam led by Osama Bin Laden,  you are doing a great disservice to the memory of the thousands of innocents who died.   

The truth will always win out in the end.  Science doesn't lie.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #153 on: February 15, 2017, 05:00:48 AM »
Actually he raised a very important and relevant point.

No he posted a selfie and mumbled something about NIST model inputs.

I think he was looking for this http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=101013

But I doubt he would know what to do with it.

And neither would you because this information offers nothing relative to the fucking theory planes brought down WTC 1 and 2.

Not to mention it offers absolutely nothing relative to WTC 7.

Stop being a total fucking


You asked for the models, I linked you to that.   Also stop with the insults and stupid teenage meme pictures. 

Now you want WTC7  ok
https://www.nist.gov/node/599811?pub_id=861610
https://www.nist.gov/node/592186?pub_id=861611
https://www.nist.gov/node/595636?pub_id=861612

You can find the rest yourself.  I'm not your private library.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #154 on: February 15, 2017, 05:01:36 AM »



The truth will always win out in the end.  Science doesn't lie.

It is my great hope that one day truth will win out in this situation.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #155 on: February 15, 2017, 05:04:46 AM »

It really was quite impressive aside from the fact people died and the OS gave birth to further drug and oil wars, designed only to enrichen the criminals in office, who also happened to be the owners and major investors in Blackwater and Halliburton.

See, shit like that does not fucking bother you though...

You are the most pathetic type of person alive.

I only write that because it is true and it will always be true.

By denying that the real perpetrator was radical islam led by Osama Bin Laden,  you are doing a great disservice to the memory of the thousands of innocents who died.

straw man
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noun: strawman

1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
"her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"

2.
a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
"a photogenic straw man gets inserted into office and advisers dictate policy"
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #156 on: February 15, 2017, 05:09:41 AM »

It really was quite impressive aside from the fact people died and the OS gave birth to further drug and oil wars, designed only to enrichen the criminals in office, who also happened to be the owners and major investors in Blackwater and Halliburton.

See, shit like that does not fucking bother you though...

You are the most pathetic type of person alive.

I only write that because it is true and it will always be true.

By denying that the real perpetrator was radical islam led by Osama Bin Laden,  you are doing a great disservice to the memory of the thousands of innocents who died.

straw man
noun
noun: strawman

1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
"her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"

2.
a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
"a photogenic straw man gets inserted into office and advisers dictate policy"

Yep, I suspected you didn't have a clue thanks for confirming it.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #157 on: February 15, 2017, 05:12:59 AM »
If you are special needs, I apologize for the harsh things I said.

You seem to have lost all logical ability in a fit of rage nearly like

Fall acceleration of building 7.

You are going to end this a jibbering mess of failed insults and logic.

But you asked for it.

Mods can we move to tech and alt please. ty.

I predicted.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 05:16:15 AM by disputeone »
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #158 on: February 15, 2017, 05:16:07 AM »



The truth will always win out in the end.  Science doesn't lie.

It is my great hope that one day truth will win out in this situation.

They published their detailed findings,  which I suspect few conspiracy theorists ever bother to read or have the background to understand.   

Why not release all the data?   I'm guessing they didn't want conspiracy theorists second guessing their analysis,  but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists from advancing ever more wacky theories.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #159 on: February 15, 2017, 05:18:37 AM »

It really was quite impressive aside from the fact people died and the OS gave birth to further drug and oil wars, designed only to enrichen the criminals in office, who also happened to be the owners and major investors in Blackwater and Halliburton.

See, shit like that does not fucking bother you though...

You are the most pathetic type of person alive.

I only write that because it is true and it will always be true.

By denying that the real perpetrator was radical islam led by Osama Bin Laden,  you are doing a great disservice to the memory of the thousands of innocents who died.   

The truth will always win out in the end.  Science doesn't lie.

What scientific methods were utilized to prove radical ISLAM led by Osama Bin Laden was the real perp of the events of 9/11?

Interesting...Do you count hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq as innocent or is that just okay...

What about their memory?

You really are a disingenuous piece of
I do not have the data inputs as requested. I will still trumpet the OS because I am weak and pathetic.
FTFY

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #160 on: February 15, 2017, 05:19:37 AM »
If you are special needs, I apologize for the harsh things I said.

You seem to have lost all logical ability in a fit of rage nearly like

Fall acceleration of building 7.

You are going to end this a jibbering mess of failed insults and logic.

But you asked for it.

Mods can we move to tech and alt please. ty.

I predicted.

Another reality disconnect from you.  Seems to be your favourite thing.   Maybe you need help with reading comprehension.

 
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #161 on: February 15, 2017, 05:20:27 AM »

It really was quite impressive aside from the fact people died and the OS gave birth to further drug and oil wars, designed only to enrichen the criminals in office, who also happened to be the owners and major investors in Blackwater and Halliburton.

See, shit like that does not fucking bother you though...

You are the most pathetic type of person alive.

I only write that because it is true and it will always be true.

By denying that the real perpetrator was radical islam led by Osama Bin Laden,  you are doing a great disservice to the memory of the thousands of innocents who died.   

The truth will always win out in the end.  Science doesn't lie.

What scientific methods were utilized to prove radical ISLAM led by Osama Bin Laden was the real perp of the events of 9/11?

Interesting...Do you count hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq as innocent or is that just okay...

What about their memory?

You really are a disingenuous piece of
I do not have the data inputs as requested. I will still trumpet the OS because I am weak and pathetic.
FTFY

LOL  Nice selfie,
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #162 on: February 15, 2017, 05:25:51 AM »

They published their detailed findings,  which I suspect few conspiracy theorists ever bother to read or have the background to understand.   

Why not release all the data?   I'm guessing they didn't want conspiracy theorists second guessing their analysis,  but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists from advancing ever more wacky theories. 

That is utter bullshit.

That statement is totally ludicrous and so are you.

The FOIA request was denied specifically because the NIST chief stated the data inputs/results : ..."might jeopardize public safety."

Here is a photo of suspected 9/11 co-conspirators
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 09:25:11 AM by totallackey »

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #163 on: February 15, 2017, 05:33:00 AM »
Rayzor, if after all this, you can't even admit that the official story has a few holes in it (to say the least) then I am honestly not sure what your motivation is, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt but this is crazy.

As for your comment about "conspiracy theorists" not having the background or knowledge to understand the models, please see this thread where we destoyed you.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.0

Even putting the truth about 9/11 aside, this debate has been awfully one sided.
I am not the only one who sees it.

I also strongly support totallackeys statement that you are being disingenuous.




@Totallackey, I heard it was the emus, kangaroos are relatively easy to box but the emus have an organised military.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #164 on: February 15, 2017, 05:33:44 AM »

They published their detailed findings,  which I suspect few conspiracy theorists ever bother to read or have the background to understand.   

Why not release all the data?   I'm guessing they didn't want conspiracy theorists second guessing their analysis,  but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists from advancing ever more wacky theories. 

That is utter bullshit.

The FOIA request was denied specifically because the NIST chief stated the data inputs might lead to another terrorist attack.

That statement is totally ludicrous and so are you.

Here is a photo of suspected 9/11 co-conspirators


More insults and more meme pictures.  You really don't get it do you.   
Who knows why they didn't  release some specific data,  certainly not me and definitely not you.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #165 on: February 15, 2017, 05:37:34 AM »
More insults and more meme pictures.  You really don't get it do you.   
Who knows why they didn't  release some specific data,  certainly not me and definitely not you.

If you feel insulted, you absolutely should.

This proves you have some fucking clue regarding interpretation of language and data.

Now, if you would just take the next, most obvious step.

The NIST chief clearly stated why the data inputs were not released.

They were not released because of fears the inputs could be of use in another terrorist attack.

Laughable, just like your continued advocacy of the OS.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #166 on: February 15, 2017, 05:39:18 AM »


Memes aside,
We gave you every chance to present an argument. You didn't take it.


Who knows why they didn't  release some specific data,  certainly not me and definitely not you.

I'm 99.99% sure I know.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 05:44:10 AM by disputeone »
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #167 on: February 15, 2017, 05:43:03 AM »
Rayzor, if after all this, you can't even admit that the official story has a few holes in it (to say the least) then I am honestly not sure what your motivation is, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt but this is crazy.

As for your comment about "conspiracy theorists" not having the background or knowledge to understand the models, please see this thread where we destoyed you.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.0

Even putting the truth about 9/11 aside, this debate has been awfully one sided.
I am not the only one who sees it.


Your aim was to present argument that would prove to me beyond doubt that the WTC1 WTC2 and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition,  you failed

Your argument was non existent,  you never offered a shred of evidence,  and BHS tried to convince me that no planes hit the WTC1 and 2 claiming that they didn't even mark the outside of the building.  He further kept claiming the fires weren't hot enough despite ample evidence to the contrary.

Sorry,  but your failure to present a coherent argument is not your fault,  the evidence was against you.  Pity you are too blind to see it.

My motivation is to uncover the truth and let the fact speak for themselves.  Conspiracy theorists cherry pick facts and ignore others.

People like totallackey,  don't advance your case,  having him on your side is not something to be proud of.

PS.  Meme pictures say more about the quality of your argument than anything else you have posted,  and it's not good.

 
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 05:46:02 AM by Rayzor »
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #168 on: February 15, 2017, 05:54:52 AM »
Here is what BHS and dispute one say never happened.



BHS claims all these video's are faked doesn't look like it to me.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #169 on: February 15, 2017, 05:56:45 AM »



The truth will always win out in the end.  Science doesn't lie.

It is my great hope that one day truth will win out in this situation.

They published their detailed findings,  which I suspect few conspiracy theorists ever bother to read or have the background to understand.   

Why not release all the data?   I'm guessing they didn't want conspiracy theorists second guessing their analysis,  but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists from advancing ever more wacky theories.
What wins out by not releasing data? Truth or ignorance?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #170 on: February 15, 2017, 06:06:27 AM »
They published their detailed findings,  which I suspect few conspiracy theorists ever bother to read or have the background to understand.   

Why not release all the data?   I'm guessing they didn't want conspiracy theorists second guessing their analysis,  but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists from advancing ever more wacky theories.
What wins out by not releasing data? Truth or ignorance?

Not truth that;s for sure,  but speculation based on conspiracy is not a reasonable assumption either.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #171 on: February 15, 2017, 06:22:15 AM »
Here is what BHS and dispute one say never happened.



BHS claims all these video's are faked doesn't look like it to me.

Don't put words in my mouth rayzor, you are being dishonest.

You are still clutching at straws.

Edit.

I believe NIST didn't release the data because the collapse of building 7 how we were told it happened, violated the laws of physics.

If they released the data people like BHS and to a much lesser extent myself would tear it to bits.

I have been clear about this from the start, you are the one putting on a circus performance.

This was the best they could do and they couldn't release the data????

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #172 on: February 15, 2017, 06:26:38 AM »
Here is what BHS and dispute one say never happened.



BHS claims all these video's are faked doesn't look like it to me.

Don't put words in my mouth rayzor, you are being dishonest.

You are still clutching at straws.

No I'm being honest,  BHS claimed that no planes hit the WTC1 and 2  and purported to prove that the planes entered the building without leaving a mark.   Are you disagreeing with BHS?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #173 on: February 15, 2017, 06:35:16 AM »
It is a weak strawman to try to shift the debate to speculation if there were actually planes or not. I would agree with you that the evidence of planes crashing into the buildings far outweighs any other evidence I have seen, CGI wings etc.

straw man
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1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
"her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"

2.
a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
"a photogenic straw man gets inserted into office and advisers dictate policy"



I'm thinking of becoming a free-thinking flat earther,  we can dispense with boring traditional physics and maths,  we can ignore any facts that are inconvenient and focus education on watching youtube conspiracy videos. 

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"his target was the hypocrisy of suburban life"

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #174 on: February 15, 2017, 06:43:30 AM »

It is a weak strawman to try to shift the debate to speculation if there were actually planes or not. I would agree with you that the evidence of planes crashing into the buildings far outweighs any other evidence I have seen, CGI wings etc.


Ok so you disagree with BHS.   That was never clear.  You certainly never expressed that view previously.

It's only a strawman argument if I misrepresented BHS's proposition,  I double checked what he wrote, and no it's exactly what he claimed.   So your strawman accusation is false.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #175 on: February 15, 2017, 07:10:32 AM »
To find the truth you have to delve deep down into ordinary life logic without the added large dose of coincidence trimmings.

If people can understand what coincidence entails, then they can be 100% sure that the official report is complete bullshit.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #176 on: February 15, 2017, 07:17:05 AM »
I'm glad someone on the other side of the world knew what happen that day.

I remember it clearly. I was sitting at the kitchen table working on school work(I was still bein home schooled at the time) while eating a bowl of ceral, you know only a mile away from the building. birds cherping, the normal sounds of new york, then all of a sudden a loud horrible bang. you know like someone blowing something up (I lived in pa prior to this, my friends father use to blow stuff up for the heck of it) wasn't just one bang, there was multiple.

you would think that if there was a "plane" we would hear that. like I said I was only a mile away on at the cornee of Mott and prince street.

it's a joke.. guess I was hearing things that day. glad the TV just so happen to catch it all.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #177 on: February 15, 2017, 08:21:55 AM »

They published their detailed findings,  which I suspect few conspiracy theorists ever bother to read or have the background to understand.   

Why not release all the data?   I'm guessing they didn't want conspiracy theorists second guessing their analysis,  but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists from advancing ever more wacky theories.

Who knows why they didn't  release some specific data,  certainly not me and definitely not you.

Why do you believe the NIST report but do not take at face value the stated reason they refuse to release the input/results data leading to the conclusions in the reports?

Patrick Gallagher stated the reason for not releasing the data as: "...might jeopardize public safety."

Why do you disagree with that written statement by Mr. Gallagher?

Why do you not question:

1. What public?

2. What safety?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 11:21:02 AM by totallackey »

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #178 on: February 15, 2017, 09:28:18 AM »
@Totallackey, I heard it was the emus, kangaroos are relatively easy to box but the emus have an organised military.

Penguins hard at it also...

This previously unreleased photo of the co-conspirators, post deployment of boxcutters...

This photo also survived the resultant fires...



A further image (previously unreleased) of the flight training...
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 09:52:09 AM by totallackey »

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #179 on: February 15, 2017, 02:57:32 PM »
I'm glad someone on the other side of the world knew what happen that day.

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