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Flat Earth Debate / Re: They've lied to the world about the stars

« Last post by turbonium2 on Today at 05:42:46 PM »

Firstly, strictly speaking it isn't the same atmosphere.
The composition has changed, but more importantly, they would be observing from a relatively calm atmosphere, instead of a much more turbulent atmosphere from a city.
But again, the bigger issue is the telescope.
And another issue is that they used their eyes, not a camera.

You are yet to even come close to demonstrating they would not be able to see it.

You’ve never demonstrated they WOULD be able to see it, since WE’VE never seen anything close to it!

You’ve got the burden of proof for their claims being valid and true, not me or others.

It’s absurd their claims were made over 200 years ago with a long ago scrapped telescope, and haven’t a shred of valid evidence for them to this very day!

We’ve seen Saturn close up with better telescopes, one you admit is vastly superior to theirs, and they show nothing close to what they claimed to see all the time.

Trying a hopelessly stupid argument that an iPhone camera blurred out multiple distinct rings into one large blotchy area that constantly changes shape along its edges, is simply ridiculous.

How in hell could an iPhone camera possibly do such things? Show me an example of an iPhone camera performing such magical things, I’d love to see it!!

We can easily prove what Saturn looks like through that same telescope, see it by eye, take videos through it with the best cameras, over and over again, night after night, to leave no doubt what Saturn looks like, it’s that simple to settle this debate once and for all.

What’s very odd here, is that their claims haven’t been replicated at all, validated by looking through this telescope or any other telescope since then by the public!

If they did see multiple distinct belts on Saturn and all the rest, we’d have seen the same things countless times since then, only better and clearer than they did back then!

The worlds greatest telescope built a century ago, has never taken an image or a video of Saturn through it for over a century, until someone filmed through it with an iPhone camera?!?!

Do you really believe that’s true?

Their claims were very significant and important, they described Saturn’s features, timed its very rotation with a distinct feature in a fixed position that later was seen at other positions, and this was why Saturn was considered a slowly rotating ‘planet’ like the ball Earth was claimed to be earlier on!!

That distinct fixed feature they claimed to see over many years, is the most important and significant feature that everyone afterwards would look for on Saturn with their own telescopes, and certainly take images and footage of it which wasn’t possible for them, at the time!

We’ve taken photos and images and films and videos of almost everything possible TO film and photograph on and above Earth, since cameras first existed, and ever since then!

We’ve taken photos and footage of microscopic life forms through microscopes for over a century, and back then an iPhone camera would be superior to what they had!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« Last post by Themightykabool on Today at 05:24:42 PM »

No
The way its framed that "both sides" used in the same sentence gives them equality.

Treat the double standards in context to the complaint.
But not when giving a pass for bad behaviour.

And no
Leftist men arent part of the manosphere.
That would be the altright, the magaright, where women cant vote, go to school, work, forced to baby.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« Last post by Space Cowgirl on Today at 04:50:31 PM »

There are bad faith liars on the left and the right.

You still think this is about equality. There is no such thing as equal outcomes, that is why the left is doing it's best to dumb everyone down.

"Karen" is just a way for leftish men to safely display their hatred for women.

Yes, the liars get people killed.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 02:03:22 PM »

A point actually matters if you're for instance laser etching a sword or something. You need specific dot on the sword that you're cutting into. But this is also why I call it a 1D object. In a zero D object you don't do anything. A 1D object, you make a dot on a page or poke a section in midair. 2D object, you draw on a page.

No, the reason you call it that is because you don't understand.
0D is a point. 1D is a line.

And yes, someone too stupid to see how topics relate to the main one, I imagine this does look off topic, but to me it just shows how you can't keep up to abstract thought.

To me it just shows more pathetic deflection.
These semantics in no way help you with your delusional BS which cannot work in reality.
They don't help you magically keep the distance to the sun fixed.
They don't help you magically have a shorter line be longer than a longer line.
They don't help you have someone due south of the sun see it to the south, or someone due north see it to the north.

It is just a pathetic deflection from your complete inability to defend your pathetic BS.

The cube if made of wood IRL can be pushed or dragged until it becomes a single dot. It can be dragged even further, and it will in fact become zero dimensions, not a dot as you think, but actually invisible.

Wrong again.
A cube in real life can be moved until it becomes to small to be resolved.
It still remains the cube, a 3D object, with 3 dimensions.
It never becomes a dot.
It never becomes zero dimensions.
Instead, it is merely your ability to perceive it that changes.

And comparing the sun to a cube is even more dishonest because this cube is not self illuminating.

That sun merged with the sea, distant clouds, shadows, and sky.

i.e. pure magic you cannot justify at all.

It did all of this because it went horizontally past the horizon at a high altitude.

If that was the case it would shrink to a point, and the ability to see it would be based upon distance and what optics you are using.
But in reality, that is not the case at all.
Instead, it doesn't matter what optics you use, once it has set Earth is blocking the view and you cannot see it; and it doesn't shrink to a point.

Again, your claims directly contradict what is observed in reality.

The parabola is a way of understanding how horizontal space affects vertical angle.

And it entirely fails to do so.
And it certainly doesn't have the sun magically project straight down onto it to look in a completely different direction.

So if you draw a line straight through it to an object you are missing the point.

No, you are.
If it is merely a tool for understanding, then it is entirely incapable of changing the direction to an object.
It means that an object at a certain position relative to you will appear in that direction, without any need for your pathetic, convoluted BS.

You need it to be something physical, something which can actually interact with light to change the apparent direction to an object.

Again, decide what you want it to be. It can't be both.

That is why your convoluted BS is used no where.

If you want to understand the apparent direction to an object, you use angles, based upon a line directly from the observer to the object. No convoluted BS parabola involved.

The parabola is a giant portable protractor. Now, I've drawn this several times, but you insist on not understanding it.

Wrong again. YOU insist on not understanding it.

A protractor works based upon a straight line to the object.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 01:51:36 PM »

It's fructose synthesized from enzymatic reaction of glucose.

i.e. natural.

It is made from refined into oblivion corn starch, which is then broken down by chemical hydrolysis

That "chemical hydrolysis", is the enzymatic conversion of starch to glucose.
Another enzymatic process is then used to convert some of the glucose into fructose.

Again, it is natural.

into something resembling honey more than sugar.

Yes, including the high fructose content of honey.

The point is in all this redefinition of terms, we now how kids convinced that their life is OVER (all caps for dramatic overemphasis) if they don't immediately have a medically unnecessary sex change operation.

So your point of pathetically bringing up Trump's lies about showerheads, is trans issues?

Read this.

And notice how that doesn't even align with your BS?
How is a policy to allow financial add harmful?
It is still up to the children and parents to decide.
It isn't a policy that forces them into anything.

But now you have a policy stripping away any possibility of financial support.

The showerhead, we'll now call a fixture in a water closet.

No, there was a policy, which you seem to be irrationally opposed to, to define a showerhead in a meaningful way.
But now that link doesn't even have a definition, because the definition trump wants is "a showerhead is a showerhead".
So now you can call anything a showerhead.

So what are those requirements? Well...
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-10/chapter-II/subchapter-D/part-430/subpart-A/section-430.3
If you can read this, go to it.

The key part to focus on was not 430.3, it was ISEA Z358.1
That is a standard from the International Safety Equipment Association.
And the specific standard they are appealing to is ANSI/ISEA Z358.1-2014 (“ISEA Z358.1”), American National Standard for Emergency Eyewash and Shower Equipment.
Which you can find here:
https://webstore.ansi.org/standards/isea/ansiiseaz3582014r2020
But you have to pay for it.

Here is a blog briefly talking about it:
https://blog.ansi.org/2018/07/emergency-eyewash-station-shower-ansi-z358-1/

And that wasn't from any woke policy.
And that hasn't been repealed by trump.

It is a standard for safety showers for use in emergencies like chemical spills.
Unlike showers for general use, these safety showers need a minimum of 15 gallons per minute which it must be able to sustain for at least 15 minutes.

So a standard to try to protect people and ensure they are helped as much as possible in the event of a chemical spill.

These standards potentially mean that there is a sort of sub-building code code for individual parts of appliances. Oh I'm sorry, never mind that only that head fits this older model, you will need to buy an entirely new shower!

You mean your fantasy where there is no regulation so companies can screw you over as much as they want?
Yet again, these standards have nothing to do with it.
You are just spouting crap to pretend there is a problem.

These woke policies create economic hardship that wouldn't exist without them.

No, they don't.
You are yet to provide a single example.
Continually spouting delusional crap wont help you.
Without those regulations there is no reason to think you wouldn't be in the same situation or a worse one.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« Last post by Themightykabool on Today at 12:22:01 PM »

I'd be outraged and acknowledge it as a call for genocide.

Good for you.  How much good do you think your outrage would do against a would be dictator?

That isn't the point D1 is trying to make. He is commenting on the hypocrisy of selective outrage. If the song was "kill the blacks" we'd all instantly feel it was bad and wrong, and the media would make sure that we knew how bad and wrong it is. If Trump sang it the internet would explode in outrage.

Jura, until the left gets its shit together, people are going to continue "lurching to the right". The left is not the fount of truth.

there are over zelous SJW on the left
there also bad faithed liars on the right

the two are not equal and the outcomes are not equal.
the SJW can be labelled karen and ignore.
the liars get people killed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« Last post by markjo on Today at 11:59:59 AM »

That isn't the point D1 is trying to make. He is commenting on the hypocrisy of selective outrage. If the song was "kill the blacks" we'd all instantly feel it was bad and wrong, and the media would make sure that we knew how bad and wrong it is. If Trump sang it the internet would explode in outrage.

Oh, I get his point.  I'm just saying that it doesn't matter.  The internet has been exploding in outrage over the shit that Trump has been pulling for months and Trump has given exactly zero fucks.  In fact, Trump has been gish galloping us with so much petty, stupid shit to outrage about that we can't get to the serious shit that we really should be outraging about.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« Last post by Space Cowgirl on Today at 11:51:42 AM »

I don't watch any cable news, and haven't trusted FOX for longer than I haven't trusted all the rest. I don't think there is a white genocide in SA, but I don't trust any of the media to tell what is really happening. They are much more concerned with being anti-MAGA than doing their job, which is how we ended up with another MAGA term to begin with.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« Last post by Jura-Glenlivet II on Today at 08:31:51 AM »

But none of what Trump had in his hands, the pictures he sprung on Ramaphosa, the supposed proof, were true. The white farmers being buried were women in the Democratic Republic of Congo FFS!

Because Tump and Musk cleave to the kind of rubbish D1 and his ilk push, presumably because they see them as their base, it gets reported as if it was fact. Fox has done it for years.

South Africa is a mess because of racism, and the song sung by Julius Malema fuels that, but he isn’t a government official and was condemned by Ramaphosa’s government, in 2023, South Africa's former President Thabo Mbeki urged Malema to stop singing the song, saying it was no longer politically relevant as the anti-apartheid struggle was over. It being a song of the rebellion against a white regime that treated all people of colour as subhuman.

And white farmers have been killed, but nothing like the numbers that even hints at a genocide (see Gaza), of the 6,953 people murdered between October and December 2024, 12 were killed on farms and four of those were workers so probably black, hardly a genocide in a country where 62% of top management posts are held by a white minority.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on Today at 07:54:40 AM »

The parabola

Which doesn’t explain reality and has no proof and no reason to physically block the sun from view.

The planet Jupiter can rise like the sun if it’s not already in the sky when the sun sets.

I can take a decent telescope and see more details of Jupiter than what is possible with the naked eye.  With the telescope I can see the moons of Jupiter with the telescope that are not seen with the naked eye. The apparent size of Jupiter doesn’t change throughout the night.  Like the sun doesn’t change apparent size throughout the day.  Once Jupiter sets, its physical blocked from view by earth’s curvature where the telescope can’t bring it and its moons into view.  It’s literally physically blocked from view.

Light doesn’t die as you need it to Bulma.

Where on a FE, the sun would have to be different sizes for different people being different distances from each person.



If we take two people with parabola’s on opposite sides of the summer path in your failed FE model, you don’t see the obvious additional flaws and failures?  The sun would have to be seen in vastly different sizes by viewers through the world. 


Jupiter sets like the sun, becoming physically blocked from view by the earth’s curvature without changing apparent size. 

The North Star as you travel farther and farther south becomes lower and lower on the horizon without changing magnitude of brightness and without changing apparent size.  The North Star is visible until you travel far enough south across the equator to becomes physically blocked from view by earths curvature.




The sun, Jupiter, the North Star all require them to change in apparent size as you change distance on a FE.  Especially if you want to invoke “vanishing point” for why they set.  But the reality is, these objects would always be in the line of sight on a flat earth.  Only a spherical earth explains why they get physically blocked from view by earh’s curvature where a telescope can’t bring them back into view once the set. 

FE totally fails at modeling reality.  It’s useless to me in amateur astronomy to celestial navigation. 

FE fails to model the sun’s path, hours of sunlight.  FE gives no reason why the sun, Jupiter, nor the North Star should ever be physically blocked from view by the horizon. Light doesn’t die as you need it to Bulma.  Bulma, your whole FE model is based on useless lies.