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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why don't cell phones work on airplanes at 30,000 ft?

« on: September 15, 2016, 03:18:21 PM »

It's pretty simple, Cell Phone antennas point down, slightly. Not much need for pointing them upwards...


As you can see, a slight downward angle...

Also, an interesting visualization of cell signals:
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/here-are-what-cell-phone-signals-would-look-like-if-you-could-see-them

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?

« on: August 19, 2016, 08:02:16 PM »

Either
          Completely ignore it and hope it goes away or
          Be honest and admit that the usual FE map is completely wrong and join the, so far, fruitless search for an accurate one.

Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth. 

I guess jroa felt the need to avoid both those options, while managing to conform to both....

Of course, he fails to accept the fact that NO FLAT EARTH map is accurate or capable of explaining all these irregularities.......

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Visions and afterlife experiences

« on: August 12, 2016, 10:02:28 AM »

I'm into Biblical prophecy and I listen to a program called The Prophecy Club and every so often he would play a DVD on the radio about visions and afterlife experiences. Now before getting to my point, this thread isn't for you athiests and skeptics, this is to flat earth Christians. Now to my point. The one thing I've noticed is that whenever they see earth it's always round. I've yet to hear a afterlife experience that someone describes the earth as flat. So if you believe in visions and afterlife experiences even those are against your theory.

All the physical evidence for the globe, and you want to use bullshit anecdotes from dying brains?!? Don't get me wrong, that's exactly the kind of thinking that resonates with flat earthers, but seriously??

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: U.S government allow first private enterprise to travel to the Moon.

« on: August 11, 2016, 01:54:14 PM »

What do the Visual Flight Rules have to do with FAA clearance?

All flights within USA airspace MUST be cleared by the FAA.

Pilots in VFR conditions, aren't required to file a flight plan or get clearance, if they stay in Class E or G airspace...
So, if you take off from an uncontrolled airport, maintain VFR separation, stay out of class A, B, C, & D airspace, and land at an uncontrolled airport, you can go to a high percentage of the US without ever talking to controllers or the FAA.....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: U.S government allow first private enterprise to travel to the Moon.

« on: August 10, 2016, 07:04:34 PM »

Why do they have to be "allowed" to go on the moon? What's the worse they can do up there, turn it into a Death Star?

The US doesn't have the authority to say who goes to the moon and who doesnt. The company wishes to launch from US soil, so they need permission to do this launch in US airspace.

Oh ok. Though that raises another question: why not just ask the local airport or something for permission like all the pilots? Or do they ask the US for permission too?

Pilots do ask the federal government for permission before every flight. It's called the FAA.

Technically, they don't have to ask before EVERY flight, some VFR flights don't need any permissions.....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: U.S government allow first private enterprise to travel to the Moon.

« on: August 10, 2016, 03:13:48 PM »

Why do they have to be "allowed" to go on the moon? What's the worse they can do up there, turn it into a Death Star?

The US doesn't have the authority to say who goes to the moon and who doesnt. The company wishes to launch from US soil, so they need permission to do this launch in US airspace.

Oh ok. Though that raises another question: why not just ask the local airport or something for permission like all the pilots? Or do they ask the US for permission too?

Because airports don't "own" much airspace, typically less than 10 miles diameter and less than 10,000 ft altitude..  The federal government controls most of the airspace, pretty much everything from about 1000ft AGL, all the way to space...

Any flights going above 18,000ft MSL are REQUIRED to get permission! This is called Class A airspace...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The live video feed on the ISS

« on: August 08, 2016, 08:46:07 PM »

Back to the ISS live stream:
It's really amazing to see this online, wow. But i would really like to see the curvature in the center of the image, the camera turned to the horizon directly, not slightly low. This kind of orientation can create the curvature-feeling distortion to the image, even live feeds, as seen from the MiG-29 video example and many others.
As a digital imaging expert you should know this.

However, I have no doubts, that the ISS is up there, and this is an unmodified/unedited, CGI-free stream. But I don't think that this video can itself proove that the curvature really exists. Turn the camera so the horizon/curvature is in the center of the image and we will see.

UPDATE: Here is the image if you have trouble connecting to the live stream for any reason.

If we accept that the ISS is in orbit, which we should, then this picture is plenty of proof of curvature! There is absolutely no distortion of the spacecraft..... Anywhere..... Not a wide angle lens.....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Show me ONE, please...

« on: August 08, 2016, 03:06:15 PM »

Don't say I never gave you nothing!

https://1drv.ms/i/s!Ag_gxivZXoKtix5lu6DjymX1jy7q

Drawn at approximately 1 pixel equals 1160 km.....
The Earth is at about 131,000x750 px if you're having trouble finding it!!

ENJOY!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?

« on: August 06, 2016, 01:22:25 PM »

Why does anyone lie? they have something to gain.

The people from outside the known Earth are the sponsors and benefactors to most governments, and they own all the land not covered on maps. The southern hemisphere is larger on a flat earth, yet the maps don't allow for this, so what of all this missing land? there are mineral rich plains, spoken of in legend like El Dorado, and all that precious metal and gems and oils are mined and used, giving a great advantage and great gains. And on this unknown land, there is no need to worry about human rights, and the natives could be used as slaves.
So long as no one thinks to question, so long as no one knows, there are huge tracts of land to be used and abused, and no need to worry how the working conditions might seem.

So there's an unknown Earth..... And.... You know about it??

The flat earth map is wrong! There's no "missing land"!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why is the government hiding the flat earth from us?

« on: August 06, 2016, 01:17:53 PM »

The moon landing ...
And that they could go through the Van Allen belt's radiation? Today, they claim that they have to work on a solution to get through the belt's radiation without killing the crew and damaging the instruments. That is why they can't go back to moon.

This shit gets more ridiculous every time you people repeat it!! NASA never said they couldn't get through the belts.. But now, apparently, it will kill them just by going through them!! 

Maybe you people should consider reading about the Van Allen Belts from people who actually know what they're talking about, instead of flat earthers and moon hoaxers.....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Faked Moon Landing

« on: July 18, 2016, 02:06:23 PM »

Scepti, you could have just said you don't know!

I don't think he can... It seems to me, that when someone doesn't know anything, they can't admit they don't know something... It's a good strategy really, claim you know a bunch of things, then tell everyone you don't have to show what you know.. It's like becoming Stephen Hawking from the Dunning Kruger Effect........

REMARKABLE!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Using shortwave radio transmission to prove flat earth

« on: July 17, 2016, 02:33:50 PM »

Hey, I like where your head's at, but you're proposing an experiment to a group that won't even try to put up the money to send one of their own to Antarctica!! Anything, more than a couple hundreds dollars, will almost certainly be shot down.

Just warning you... Good luck getting it done!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Using shortwave radio transmission to prove flat earth

« on: July 17, 2016, 01:05:52 PM »

A number of issues with your proposal....

It could be done from southern South America with a radio transmitter pointed south and received from Australia

Due south would probably not be the best direction to point, but they are 5000 miles apart going that direction. That's a long way for bouncing radio signals...

If the transmission was picked up in Australia it would prove that the earth is round. If no signal is received it could prove that the earth is flat.

It likely wouldn't prove anything, but when you say it would prove the earth is round and it could prove the earth is flat, there is a subtle bias there. It might have be an error, but you should recognize any bias that could introduce errors in experimentation or conclusions....

It would need to be done during the southern hemisphere's summer, because of the greater range of radio transmissions.

A proper study should include any and all variables; summer/winter, hot/cold, day/night, etc....

There would also need to be a receiver north of the transmission to ensure that the signal is not headed in any other direction than south. Also, if the signal is picked up north from the transmission, it may be shown to be bouncing off of some sort of barrier.

Wait, so a signal received north of the transmission would mean that the signal was headed in other directions, besides south, but also could be going only south?? I hope you recognize the problem with that....

I know that no one can physically travel across Antarctica, but that doesn't mean that radio cannot be transmitted over the continent.

Yeah, as DNO said, people go all over Antarctica every year...


I'm not trying to discourage any experiments, but it's got a lot of holes, as is.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Astronomy debunk: The sun is clearly moving away

« on: July 17, 2016, 12:25:48 PM »

Red posted a video on this a couple days ago, and it's pretty conclusive that the size of the sun is unchanging...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bedford Level Experiment doesn't support FE

« on: July 17, 2016, 09:52:36 AM »

But flat earthers have proper critical thinking skills... against the globe model, but not against their own.

The first part is debatable, but the second is certainly accurate....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bedford Level Experiment doesn't support FE

« on: July 16, 2016, 07:28:13 PM »

As far as the Bedford Level Experiment, flat earthers have a tendency towards extreme confirmation bias!!

They believe it supports FE just because one guy made one attempt 150 years ago and received something he wanted to. It is funny that noone has ever confirmed that this experiment provides any real flatness.

Sorry, noone but few random FEers that haven't conducted the experminet but repeated the argument after Rowbotham. I once read that someone made an actual experiment but refused to publish results (?).

It's like the ONE picture of Chicago from 60 miles or whatever... Completely ignore any pictures that don't show a city at that distance.....

The one proves FE, the rest is a result of a super mirage. Easy. Nope. The Chicago mirrage is a one-of-a-time observation caused by the mirage and the rest is what is typical to see.

This whole group (flat earthers) proves how important proper critical thinking skills are... There's a "Great Courses" on this and it is a real eye-opener! I highly recommend it!

Your Deceptive Mind

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: casual conversation about space

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:44:09 PM »

As a fairly avid watcher of shows like NOVA and Vsauce, I can say that science is pretty awesome.  But it doesn't reach the conclusions that Flat Earthers like, so it must be corrupt and fraudulent.

Translates to you saying. "As an avid watcher of star trek and star wars, I can say that science is pretty awesome. But it doesn't reach the conclusions that flat Earther's like, so it must be corrupt and fraudulent."

Warp speed enterprises are probably good to watch for trekkies, but they don't form any true science, except for those that fantasise about it being true.

*puuuuuuffffffffffff*

Scepti, do you believe in magnetism?

Yes I do.

Really?  Why?  You can't see it; you can only see its effects.  It's just an invisible space force.

I can't see my own brain but I accept there's one there, regardless of whether you people think it works or not. 

And so it goes with gravity.

Not really. I can see a brain from another humans skull and I can feel the force of magnetism. Gravity doesn't exist as a force at all in any way you can describe.

Listen.  I know you're posting here, because I can see your posts and they have your name and everything.  I may not know what computer or browser you're using, but that doesn't change the fact that I know you're posting here. 

I know gravity is real.  I don't know the exact mechanism by which it operates, but I know that it follows simple, self-consistent rules that apply to all bodies in the cosmos, and causes tides and orbits. 

Here's what you need to know about gravity:  It is proportional to the mass of an object, and it follows the inverse square law.  Those rules are simple and self-evident if you're willing to look.

Do you ever respond to Scepti and think "this is the time he will actually try and understand basics physics"??
and every time it's, "no rockets need atmosphere!" or "weight is caused by air pressure!"!!

On an slightly unrelated note, I had a guy on YT trying to tell me the whole rockets need air to "push" off of. His self reported qualifications? An aerospace engineering student! I thought that was funny after seeing your signature.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Science discovered all what to be discovered

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:24:29 PM »

What really happen is that, everything new is meaningfully the same as everything existing.

That sounds like a really really really sad existence..........

You must not have children with comments like that...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bedford Level Experiment doesn't support FE

« on: July 15, 2016, 05:17:29 PM »

Well Havoc101,

Your thread got hijacked by a person who doesn't understand optics and lenses... Didn't see that one coming, did ya?? LOL

As far as the Bedford Level Experiment, flat earthers have a tendency towards extreme confirmation bias!! It's like the ONE picture of Chicago from 60 miles or whatever... Completely ignore any pictures that don't show a city at that distance.....

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Newtons third law

« on: July 02, 2016, 10:13:45 PM »

If only you would put as much effort into posting sources that support your arguments.

Don't be silly! How can he post that spaghetti that passes for his brain.

I have wondered why the administrators let these silly Legbaresque threads continue (not that it started that way),
but they obviously think it keeps all the Globe supporters from posting anti-Flatist arguments.

There used to be an administrator, "TheEngineer", who got jack of some of these silly Legba tactics and posted:

Re: IN A ROCKET SYSTEM, THE FUEL IS OBJECT B « Reply #939 on: January 27, 2016, 11:39:38 AM »

I can't believe you idiots are still arguing the same point that you have been arguing for over 200 pages spanning 3 different threads!  You guys are a glutton for punishment.

As usual, the thread generates a bunch of complaints clogging up my email and devolves into name calling and spam. 

So, as usual:

Momentum, conservation of.
The end.
Turn off the lights and lock the thread.

And he DID!

And he did it again on another silly Legba ruined thread!
Re: People on skateboards. « Reply #2256 on: January 12, 2016, 07:10:31 PM »

Help! Where's TheEngineer when we need him!

Seems like it'd be easier to just block Pepe, but I shouldn't try to rationalize flat earthers, should I?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What actual evidence for FE is there?

« on: July 02, 2016, 09:57:17 PM »

It does seem RE believers welcome their own perceptions of reality as truth even though there is a stronger foundation of truth within FET. Observation of what is real as opposed to what is gleaned within closed doors of a lab is a good comparison of proper fact finding, as demonstrated ITT.

No matter how many more pages of RET that are written and stacked up on their predecessors, FET always has and always will have the edge when it comes to quality of evidence.

So your evidence is..... something with..... ummmm..... better quality??

Solid!! You should try and get that published....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What actual evidence for FE is there?

« on: July 02, 2016, 03:49:39 PM »

You're not going to get anywhere with cowgirl, he/she/it doesn't appear to ever provide anything to advance a conversation....

The ant would probably understand the analogy better that SCG...

As far as the original question, there are no observations of flat earth, that can't also be explained by a spherical earth.....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Best way to unproove the globe model

« on: June 30, 2016, 08:28:22 PM »

Kevin, speed does not cause force, Acceleration causes force.

Every change of direction can also be regarded as acceleration.

A spinning ball permanently changes direction. That's why it causes force. We call it Centrifugal Force.

Earth does one rotation in one day. That means the change of direction=acceleration is SMALL, that's why the centrifugal force caused by it is small. The speed on its surface is not relevant, the thing relevant is the angular velocity. And an angular velocity of 360 per day is rather slow.

Thank for the explanation.

Ok went to see some websites and videos, make sense now.
Makes me realise that without full knowledge imagination can make you think different things.

And that's why science relies on testing and observation, not imagination.  (imagination in the sense you were using it, not the hypothesis part of the scientific method)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Felix Baumgartner Pictures prove Flat Earth

« on: June 30, 2016, 08:12:11 PM »

According to the science website curvature should be visible at that altitude

With a wide field of view...

Interesting that Adam says in that episode that he saw the curvature of the Earth......

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Newtons third law

« on: June 26, 2016, 07:45:15 AM »

So the gases are both the action & the reaction force?

Gases aren't forces.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Newtons third law

« on: June 18, 2016, 10:27:31 AM »

Eliminate gravity and air pressure would be equal on all sides. So without gravity, how does air know to push down more than all the other directions?

It's amazing how desperate FEarthers are, to deny the existence of gravity.....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why a sphere?

« on: June 17, 2016, 08:52:50 PM »

Also, Its the closest thing to both an infinite plane and a closed finite space. Sometimes the best lies are so simple that they have an elegance to them.

Sometimes.... Of course, you would have to show it's a lie BEFORE calling it an elegant lie...

The question in the OP presumed it was a lie.

Well, if we can just make up shit for the sake of argument....

So much for a conclusion following from accurate and consistent premises...

BACK TO ILLOGICAL LAND EVERYBODY!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: real trip to the moon

« on: June 17, 2016, 08:37:20 PM »

There is actually a documentary about how they supposedly faked going to the moon( which before I saw that documentary I believed that people actually went to the moon but after seeing the documentary I don't think they went to the moon anymore). I don't remember what it's called but it can't be too hard to find. Also, there are tons of YouTube videos about faking it so u could also go and watch those.

Probably "Conspira...."

NOPE! Not going to spread that hour long bullshit around!

Seriously, if you were swayed by that garbage, please slap yourself! Then go fact-check even a little bit of that crap..

Here's some good resources...
http://www.clavius.org/
https://lightsinthedark.com/2014/05/22/no-the-moon-landings-werent-faked-and-heres-how-you-can-tell/

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why a sphere?

« on: June 17, 2016, 12:07:58 PM »

Also, Its the closest thing to both an infinite plane and a closed finite space. Sometimes the best lies are so simple that they have an elegance to them.

Sometimes.... Of course, you would have to show it's a lie BEFORE calling it an elegant lie...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why a sphere?

« on: June 17, 2016, 09:59:17 AM »

We all (FE believers) know that RE is essentially a NASA fabrication. I'm just wondering why they chose a sphere, and not any other shape. Surely something like a cube would be easier to convince people of, because it allows for the flat horizons we see every day. Any thoughts?

If NASA got to pick whatever they wanted, why not just pick the "flat earth"? Wouldn't it be cheaper to NOT have to "lie" about the shape? You know, more profitable for the powers that be...
There's really not any good reason to lie about the shape. NASA has always been an Aeronautics agency (even before being a Space agency), so they could have still tried to go to the flat earth moon. This would have allowed them to not need to fake anything or guard the south pole!

When you really think about it, the smartest move, would have been to just pick the actual shape of the Earth...

Which, of course, is why they DID "pick" the actual shape!!