Orlando shooting, thoughts?

. . . I am suggesting that perhaps the USA should look to the example of other countries.

Quote from: Rama Set on June 16, 2016, 01:22:10 PM

. . . I am suggesting that perhaps the USA should look to the example of other countries.

 


If the Orlando terrorist had used 5 gallons of gasoline and a match
we would not be talking about firearms right now.

not one shit will be given either from false prophet about the American Constitution . Which is why I answered so harshly. He just wanted to hate, that is all.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2016, 04:00:11 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on June 16, 2016, 01:22:10 PM

. . . I am suggesting that perhaps the USA should look to the example of other countries.

 


If the Orlando terrorist had used 5 gallons of gasoline and a match
we would not be talking about firearms right now.

True... And totally irrelevant.

Rama set......She relies on the government That is pretty self explanatory. She gets 1300 from the government, another 400 from military death benefits, and another 500 for child assistance. That's it, entirely from the government. The rest comes from random work she can do with her health issues, and if I help her or her family helps when she is short. As for a citation I can have her post the same thing lol.

As for the heavy taxation needed to support for example the permits I speak of, and about 20 other things per year I have to pay not to mention  income tax itself. That is so every single person can have a foot in the door for absolutely no reason. This hinders wages I can pay as well as prevents expansion or spending I might do. So perhaps Constitutional might not be 100 percent the best description but it's the closest way I could describe it. Everyone government agency wants something for nothing because they give out something for nothing. It's broad but true.

Americans rights are being stripped but that is hard to explain when you don't live here. The other countries I have been to on business is a breath of fresh air to me.


I absolutely agree.....there is a middle ground. Outreach programs should not go away, but the way the liberal minds are there is no qualifications. Just give it away, put it on the backs of the remaining who bust ass. Then wonder why we are 19 trillion in debt or whatever it is I stopped counting . There is much other useless spending as well because of people's whims, no connection with reality because the ones calling the shots already have their nut. To hell with the rest of us. Do you think they would care if I was taxed out of business or put out because of some other stupid ass rule? Not one shit will be given.


Space cowgirl.....not one shit will be given either from false prophet about the American Constitution . Which is why I answered so harshly. He just wanted to hate, that is all.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on June 16, 2016, 02:40:17 PM

Weren't you on the other forum was mocking me for saying that every confiscation started with registration? What is you end goal for gun control?

I was mocking your terrible logic.  As for my end goal of gun registration, I think I said it pretty succinctly:

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limiting their availability to potential threats.

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Even being 10% they are still reeking havoc on our troops and we still haven't beaten them.

Al-Qaeda is pretty much done.  The only thing that hasn't been done is stabilizing Iraq.

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Tyranny doesn't just comes from our own government. It can also come from foriegn sources.

So join the army if you are keen to kill foreigners.

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I find it funny that you'll say that we don't need ARs but then turn around and say essentially you can't fight city hall.

I am not sure where I said that.

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If the latter is really the case then I think that proves my point of why not only we need ARs but bigger weapons as well.

Oh good.  Please count me out of your world.

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It's the same with if you come in my house to harm me or my family. You'll have a fight on you hands if you do.

Sweet.

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It's not the only one but it does work. It worked for WW2 didn't it?

Why no try a solution that doesn't involve the death though?  As violent as the USA may be, it is not even remotely close to a war zone.  Make a peaceful choice.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on June 16, 2016, 03:39:49 PM

Rama set......She relies on the government That is pretty self explanatory. She gets 1300 from the government, another 400 from military death benefits, and another 500 for child assistance. That's it, entirely from the government. The rest comes from random work she can do with her health issues, and if I help her or her family helps when she is short. As for a citation I can have her post the same thing lol.

I meant your reference to 55% of Americans relying on government assistance.

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As for the heavy taxation needed to support for example the permits I speak of, and about 20 other things per year I have to pay not to mention  income tax itself. That is so every single person can have a foot in the door for absolutely no reason. This hinders wages I can pay as well as prevents expansion or spending I might do.

Never said it was a perfect system, all I can ask is that you don't deny that social welfare can and is, in a lot of cases a positive element in society.

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So perhaps Constitutional might not be 100 percent the best description but it's the closest way I could describe it.

It is actually a terrible way to describe it.  You are having issues with governance, not with constitutionality.

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Everyone government agency wants something for nothing because they give out something for nothing. It's broad but true.

It's broad and maybe occasionally true.  Tell you what, why don't you look up success stories that have been achieved and see if maybe you aren't being a little too broad.

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Americans rights are being stripped but that is hard to explain when you don't live here. The other countries I have been to on business is a breath of fresh air to me.

If you have an actual case of your constitutional rights being stripped, then please prosecute them, but I think you really just have a problem with governance.  So become a democrat and feel the Bern

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I absolutely agree.....there is a middle ground. Outreach programs should not go away, but the way the liberal minds are there is no qualifications.

Not all liberals are like this.  Let go of your bias and you can find allies everywhere.

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Just give it away, put it on the backs of the remaining who bust ass. Then wonder why we are 19 trillion in debt or whatever it is I stopped counting .

It might have something to do with the war in Iraq too.  A billion dollars a day to fight an enemy of the US governments own making.  Maybe don't put all the blame on social programs.

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There is much other useless spending as well because of people's whims, no connection with reality because the ones calling the shots already have their nut. To hell with the rest of us. Do you think they would care if I was taxed out of business or put out because of some other stupid ass rule? Not one shit will be given.

Again, governance, not constitutional.


Space cowgirl.....not one shit will be given either from false prophet about the American Constitution . Which is why I answered so harshly. He just wanted to hate, that is all.

It is relevant because everyone is talking about the tool and not the problem.

Are you suggesting that we ban such rifles?

There's the new threat of ISIS rising up.

You just did. You want to restrict our right to own ARs and in the last post you did was telling me that the AR is inadequate to stand against a tyrannical government.

Sorry bud, you already live in that world. With proper licenses you can own a fully operational tank.

What peaceful choice?

Not directed to me.

The people in power have convinced us to hate each other, and to see any difference as a personal attack.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 16, 2016, 04:10:11 PM

The people in power have convinced us to hate each other, and to see any difference as a personal attack.

Apalling. I didn't know that. The Liberals in America should really be put in their place by the open minded people.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on June 16, 2016, 05:43:46 PM

Are you suggesting that we ban such rifles?

No, I am suggesting we limit their availability to potential threats.  Like I said.

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There's the new threat of ISIS rising up.

One at a time.  Your government has burn money to fight these wars, so you don't want to give it to your Chinese overlords all at once.

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You just did. You want to restrict our right to own ARs and in the last post you did was telling me that the AR is inadequate to stand against a tyrannical government.

Yeah. Those aren't contradictory positions.

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Sorry bud, you already live in that world. With proper licenses you can own a fully operational tank.

No, I don't.  No one can own a tank where I live, nor would I want to.

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What peaceful choice?

I am not the biggest bible fan, but there are quite a few passages in there that may help.  Perhaps pick up a copy and read it?

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Not directed to me.

Then delete it.

Well, America had its great time. History must go on.

"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away." (1 Peter 1:24-25)

I'm not sure why you blame liberals for the outsourcing of manufacturing, unless you mean neoliberals? Like Reagan? Do you also blame corporate welfare on liberals? 

Quote from: FalseProphet on June 17, 2016, 04:50:00 PM

Well, America had its great time. History must go on.

"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away." (1 Peter 1:24-25)

It can still be saved!! It is my land and I love it, but the likelihood is so slim. Why do you hate America so much??

I don't think it is legal or socially appropriate to carry weapons in public in Switzerland.

Quote from: Rama Set on June 16, 2016, 02:01:42 PM

I don't think it is legal or socially appropriate to carry weapons in public in Switzerland.

Lol so wrong.

Enjoy your tl;dr false dialectic snore-fest anyhoo.

Quote from: Papa Legba on June 18, 2016, 12:01:06 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on June 16, 2016, 02:01:42 PM

I don't think it is legal or socially appropriate to carry weapons in public in Switzerland.

Lol so wrong.

Enjoy your tl;dr false dialectic snore-fest anyhoo.

You apparently are. It's ok to participate you know. If you do it respectfully people might even be open to what you say.

So for example, instead of being an asshole, you could have pointed out that indeed, concealed carry is legal in Switzerland.

Don't be scared to make friends.

The FBI admitted that Mateen had been interviewed by agents twice in 2013 due to comments made about radical jihad which were overheard by coworkers. He was interviewed for a third time one year later due to his connection to Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, an American who had traveled from Florida to train in Syria and later to return to the United States in order to recruit other Americans to fight in the Western-backed terrorist brigades attempting to overthrow secular and legitimate government, Bashar Al Assad.

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/5-reasons-to-question-the-official-story-of-the-orlando-shooting.html

Quote from: Papa Legba on June 18, 2016, 12:01:06 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on June 16, 2016, 02:01:42 PM

I don't think it is legal or socially appropriate to carry weapons in public in Switzerland.

Lol so wrong.

Enjoy your tl;dr false dialectic snore-fest anyhoo.

You apparently are. It's ok to participate you know. If you do it respectfully people might even be open to what you say.

So for example, instead of being an asshole, you could have pointed out that indeed, concealed carry is legal in Switzerland.

Don't be scared to make friends.

There is a reason people deplete their treasure and risk their life
to get into America.

It is not that other countries are better.

Quote from: FalseProphet on June 17, 2016, 03:43:31 PM

Apalling. I didn't know that. The Liberals in America should really be put in their place by the open minded people.

I have no idea if this is sarcasm or not. I would respond with more as there is no way to abbreviate these issues and how the circle brought us to our current downfall. Liberal is not free thinking here as the definition would lead someone to believe. "Liberal" is raw narcissism in its purest form under the shadow of a word that used to mean progress.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on June 17, 2016, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: FalseProphet on June 17, 2016, 03:43:31 PM

Apalling. I didn't know that. The Liberals in America should really be put in their place by the open minded people.

I have no idea if this is sarcasm or not. I would respond with more as there is no way to abbreviate these issues and how the circle brought us to our current downfall. Liberal is not free thinking here as the definition would lead someone to believe. "Liberal" is raw narcissism in its purest form under the shadow of a word that used to mean progress.

Hahahahahahahahaha! Fucking priceless, a conservative talking about "progress". If you and your kind had your way nothing would ever change. If it were up to you, we'd still be living in 1950.

What a fucking joke.