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SouthBeastGamingFTW

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My complaints about the ice wall
« on: October 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM »
I have some complaints about the ice wall.

The ice wall has "guards" who have not leaked any information after they retire.
There are NO missing person cases around the world because these guards killed them (if they saw the wall).
No historical person has ever recorded the ice wall before these "guards" appeared.

I can guarantee you cannot
  • show me a picture of the wall
  • tell me the name of someone who "guards" the wall
  • or give me historical evidence of the wall

I have a question for the Flat Earthers. How important is the ice wall in your model?
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2018, 04:24:30 PM »
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM

I can guarantee you cannot
  • show me a picture of the wall
  • tell me the name of someone who "guards" the wall
  • or give me historical evidence of the wall

#2, names are classified and on a need to know basis.
#1 & #3:

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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2018, 04:33:04 PM »
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM
I have some complaints about the ice wall.

The ice wall has "guards" who have not leaked any information after they retire.
There are NO missing person cases around the world because these guards killed them (if they saw the wall).
No historical person has ever recorded the ice wall before these "guards" appeared.

I can guarantee you cannot
  • show me a picture of the wall
  • tell me the name of someone who "guards" the wall
  • or give me historical evidence of the wall

I have a question for the Flat Earthers. How important is the ice wall in your model?
The "Wiki" on "The Flat Earth Society" at TFES.org is much more complete than here and here is a link to its description The Ice Wall.
There are two basic "continental layouts" for the flat earth.
One has the usual "Ice-Wall" around Antarctica as in the left one below and the "bipolar model" on the right but that still demands an "Ice-Wall" to keep the oceans in.

The Ice Wall model.
       

Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it not Antarctica.
Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze.
Some prominent flat-earthers, such as Tom Bishop and Sandokhan support a "bipolar model", though Sandokhan's is a little different.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2018, 05:11:48 PM »
Quote from: Stash on October 13, 2018, 04:24:30 PM
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM

I can guarantee you cannot
  • show me a picture of the wall
  • tell me the name of someone who "guards" the wall
  • or give me historical evidence of the wall

#2, names are classified and on a need to know basis.
#1 & #3:


Actually, that's an ice shelf, not an ice wall.
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SouthBeastGamingFTW

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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2018, 07:47:48 PM »
Quote from: Stash on October 13, 2018, 04:24:30 PM
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM

I can guarantee you cannot
  • show me a picture of the wall
  • tell me the name of someone who "guards" the wall
  • or give me historical evidence of the wall

#2, names are classified and on a need to know basis.
#1 & #3:



As stated above, this is, in fact, an ice shelf.
Also, I believe an ice wall would be much higher if it bordered the world.

I also say to you, where are your "guards" now?
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2018, 11:03:37 PM »
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 07:47:48 PM
As stated above, this is, in fact, an ice shelf.
Also, I believe an ice wall would be much higher if it bordered the world.

I also say to you, where are your "guards" now?

It's presumed to be approximately 150' tall. Here's another example:

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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2018, 12:08:57 PM »
it is quite unscientific to claim there couldn't be an ice wall.

A debate on the issue is normal, but just being stubborn about things you don't know yet is not acceptable even in your own "circles."

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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2018, 03:41:27 PM »
Quote from: gotham on October 14, 2018, 12:08:57 PM
it is quite unscientific to claim there couldn't be an ice wall.

A debate on the issue is normal, but just being stubborn about things you don't know yet is not acceptable even in your own "circles."
No-one claims that "there couldn't be an ice wall".
What we claim is that there is no ice-wall all around Antarctica and no silly "storm-troopers ;D" guarding Antarctica either because you have evidence for neither.

How many times do you have to be given the same old message?
         The are ice-walls around parts of Antarctica and places where there are no ice-walls.

Antarctic Peninsula Photo: Brown Bluff, Continental Antarctica
This photo of Antarctic Peninsula is courtesy of TripAdvisor
       

Map of Antarctic Peninsula landings

There is no doubt at all that there are plenty of locations around the Antarctic coast where there are no ice-walls allowing relatively easy access to the interior.

The modern-day Davis research station looks more like a space colony
- no ice-walls! (Photo: Noel Tennant)
       
Amundsen’s Antarctic Expedition landing point in the Bay of Whales, Antarctica
- no ice-walls!

For more information just Google:
     "Davis Station Antarctica" -  ;) Wot no Ice Wall? ;) Australia.
     "Images McMurdo Station Antarctica" -  ;) Wot no Ice Wall? ;) USA.
     "Images Scott Base Antarctica" -  ;) Wot no Ice Wall? ;) New Zealand.
     "Images for Amundsen Landing in Antarctica, Bay of Whales" - Norway 1910.
     "Images for Scott South Pole Expedition Landing Place" -  ;) Wot no Ice Wall? ;) Great Britain 1910.

Go and check these out and learn some basic facts about Antarctica:
         The are ice-walls around parts of Antarctica and places where there are no ice-walls.
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SouthBeastGamingFTW

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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2018, 08:58:08 PM »
Quote from: Stash on October 13, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 07:47:48 PM
As stated above, this is, in fact, an ice shelf.
Also, I believe an ice wall would be much higher if it bordered the world.

I also say to you, where are your "guards" now?

It's presumed to be approximately 150' tall. Here's another example:



Again, this is the Ross Ice Shelf, the largest ice shelf of Antartica.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ross-Ice-Shelf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ice_Shelf


Photo by By Michael Van Woert

Here is an image of the edge of the shelf in 1997. This is no where near large enough to be an "ice wall".
I ask again: Where are your "guards?"



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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2018, 12:05:25 AM »
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 14, 2018, 08:58:08 PM
Here is an image of the edge of the shelf in 1997. This is no where near large enough to be an "ice wall".
I ask again: Where are your "guards?"

Let me lay this out for you in sort of a wet blanket way:

RE: “Show me a picture of the ‘ice wall’."
FE: “Here’s one.”
RE: “But that’s just the blah, blah, blah ice shelf.”
FE: “No, that’s Greenland you’re thinking of.”
RE: “No it’s not, it’s right near X station, here’s a picture…Of Antartica.”
FE: “No, that’s Greenland, no one is allowed to go to Antartica.”
RE: "Says who?”
FE: “It’s part of the conspiracy, you’re not allowed to go there and see what’s on the other side.”
RE: "What’s stopping me, where are the guards?”
FE: “Nothing really other than the fact that you’re not allowed to go there and it’s quite inhospitiable and no one has ever been there.”
RE: “But they have, there’s X expedition and Y expedition…”
FE: “That’s all fake, part of the conspiracy and you have not been there, so you don’t know.”

Thread dies out of exasperation and/or boredom.

2 months later:

New RE: “Show me a picture of the ‘ice wall’.”

Rinse & Repeat.

Ice wall business is a tough place start. Trust me, I know, I started there. You need something that you can somewhat empirically back up, with extremely precise, trusted data. And even then, there are catchall FE defenses, e.g., the conspiracy, modern math, astronomy, physics are a fallacy, etc. Personally, I think the Sun is a good place to start. Approx. 7 billion of us see it every day, so it’s ready made for discussing how it appears (and disappears) and moves about at different times of the year on a flat or round earth.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2018, 05:34:48 PM »
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM
I have some complaints about the ice wall.

The ice wall has "guards" who have not leaked any information after they retire.
There are NO missing person cases around the world because these guards killed them (if they saw the wall).
No historical person has ever recorded the ice wall before these "guards" appeared.

I can guarantee you cannot
  • show me a picture of the wall
  • tell me the name of someone who "guards" the wall
  • or give me historical evidence of the wall

I have a question for the Flat Earthers. How important is the ice wall in your model?

Trained Penguins can't speak English so nothing to talk about.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2018, 09:13:03 PM »
Quote from: Stash on October 13, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 13, 2018, 07:47:48 PM
As stated above, this is, in fact, an ice shelf.
Also, I believe an ice wall would be much higher if it bordered the world.

I also say to you, where are your "guards" now?

It's presumed to be approximately 150' tall. Here's another example:



Which is easily surmountable with even basic rock climbing skills or a helicopter. How come we have no stories of people being turned away by the Antartic Gaurd? At least with Area 51, you can easily look up stories of people having run ins with the base's security. Why nothing with the supposed wall?
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 09:14:59 PM by Luke 22:35-38 »
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2018, 10:12:21 PM »
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on October 16, 2018, 09:13:03 PM
Which is easily surmountable with even basic rock climbing skills or a helicopter. How come we have no stories of people being turned away by the Antartic Gaurd? At least with Area 51, you can easily look up stories of people having run ins with the base's security. Why nothing with the supposed wall?
Why waste time climbing ice walls? Just land on the shore or step out of your ship onto the edge of the ice.
Quote from: rabinoz on October 14, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
There is no doubt at all that there are plenty of locations around the Antarctic coast where there are no ice-walls allowing relatively easy access to the interior.

The modern-day Davis research station looks more like a space colony
- no ice-walls! (Photo: Noel Tennant)
       
Amundsen’s Antarctic Expedition landing point in the Bay of Whales, Antarctica
- no ice-walls!
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 10:09:28 AM »
Quote from: Stash on October 15, 2018, 12:05:25 AM
Quote from: SouthBeastGamingFTW on October 14, 2018, 08:58:08 PM
Here is an image of the edge of the shelf in 1997. This is no where near large enough to be an "ice wall".
I ask again: Where are your "guards?"

Let me lay this out for you in sort of a wet blanket way:

RE: “Show me a picture of the ‘ice wall’."
FE: “Here’s one.”
RE: “But that’s just the blah, blah, blah ice shelf.”
FE: “No, that’s Greenland you’re thinking of.”
RE: “No it’s not, it’s right near X station, here’s a picture…Of Antartica.”
FE: “No, that’s Greenland, no one is allowed to go to Antartica.”
RE: "Says who?”
FE: “It’s part of the conspiracy, you’re not allowed to go there and see what’s on the other side.”
RE: "What’s stopping me, where are the guards?”
FE: “Nothing really other than the fact that you’re not allowed to go there and it’s quite inhospitiable and no one has ever been there.”
RE: “But they have, there’s X expedition and Y expedition…”
FE: “That’s all fake, part of the conspiracy and you have not been there, so you don’t know.”

Thread dies out of exasperation and/or boredom.

2 months later:

New RE: “Show me a picture of the ‘ice wall’.”

Rinse & Repeat.

Ice wall business is a tough place start. Trust me, I know, I started there. You need something that you can somewhat empirically back up, with extremely precise, trusted data. And even then, there are catchall FE defenses, e.g., the conspiracy, modern math, astronomy, physics are a fallacy, etc. Personally, I think the Sun is a good place to start. Approx. 7 billion of us see it every day, so it’s ready made for discussing how it appears (and disappears) and moves about at different times of the year on a flat or round earth.
The question is would cruises to Antarctica and eco-tourism expeditions to south pole count as empirical evidence of Antarctica?  Anyone can embark on any of these.

Mike
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 10:56:15 AM »
Quote from: MicroBeta on October 20, 2018, 10:09:28 AM
The question is would cruises to Antarctica and eco-tourism expeditions to south pole count as empirical evidence of Antarctica?  Anyone can embark on any of these.

Mike

For me it does. There's also this: Via Qantas, one can fly over Antarctica as well. Best part, full bar service during the 12 hour journey.

http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 08:10:22 PM »
Well forget arguing the existence and discuss the purpose/ function of the ice wall.
Typically all FE solutions are bandaids to a single particular question.

Things fall down.
Water would drain itself all away if nothung were to hold it in.
"Solution" = ice wall.

Then we can discuss what holds the air in.
Or if things dont fall down, but we are forced up by ua, why the edge hasnt been blasted away.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2018, 03:06:47 PM »
To make a legitimate counter-claim to an ice wall potential, science-minded individuals must follow closely held behavioral tendancies:

...and the scientist who reported there was no ice wall was who again?

...and the peer review journal revealing there is no ice wall is what again?

The Earth shape question is far too important for the many who, day after day, work on restoring what was originally known.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 03:27:32 PM »
Quote from: gotham on October 21, 2018, 03:06:47 PM
The Earth shape question is far too important for the many who, day after day, work on restoring what was originally known.
It isn't really in need of restoring. Sure there are a few crazy people that foolishly proclaim Earth is flat, but the majority still know it is round. The work is to prevent the crazy people from destroying what is known.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2018, 03:53:13 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on October 16, 2018, 10:12:21 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on October 16, 2018, 09:13:03 PM
Which is easily surmountable with even basic rock climbing skills or a helicopter. How come we have no stories of people being turned away by the Antartic Gaurd? At least with Area 51, you can easily look up stories of people having run ins with the base's security. Why nothing with the supposed wall?
Why waste time climbing ice walls? Just land on the shore or step out of your ship onto the edge of the ice.
Quote from: rabinoz on October 14, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
There is no doubt at all that there are plenty of locations around the Antarctic coast where there are no ice-walls allowing relatively easy access to the interior.

The modern-day Davis research station looks more like a space colony
- no ice-walls! (Photo: Noel Tennant)
       
Amundsen’s Antarctic Expedition landing point in the Bay of Whales, Antarctica
- no ice-walls!

Because flat earthers will cry "fake."
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2018, 09:01:30 AM »
Can't believe this brought up again. Year after year same topics arise
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2018, 11:14:41 AM »
Quote from: neutrino on November 08, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
Can't believe this brought up again. Year after year same topics arise

Year after Year?  More like quarterly and probably more so monthly on some topics.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2018, 11:24:58 AM »
And sometimes someone pops in to bump a thread that hasn't been posted in for a few weeks to say how they can't believe people are still talking about this!
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2018, 11:52:50 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 08, 2018, 11:24:58 AM
And sometimes someone pops in to bump a thread that hasn't been posted in for a few weeks to say how they can't believe people are still talking about this!

Well atleast they aren't bumping truly dead threads (haven't been posted in 6+ months).  Necroposting is nuisance and should result in being smacked by a goat.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2018, 02:11:24 PM »
Quote from: neutrino on November 08, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
Can't believe this brought up again. Year after year same topics arise
I can believe it.
The same topics will continue to be brought up again and again, at least until the FEers have answers for it and can post it in a nice succinct FAQ which people can easily find.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2018, 03:33:37 PM »
Year after year?
How old is this place?!
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2018, 03:41:57 PM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on November 08, 2018, 03:33:37 PM
Year after year?
How old is this place?!
At least 13 years.
The second user registered on the 14th of Feb 2005.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2018, 05:54:39 PM »
Apprently it would take about just over a month to walk 500miles.
The distance between some of those stuck experiemnts carried out by some old greek guys.
Say they walked, set up the experiemtn, walked back, collected data for a few days, walked back to collaborate, checked other sites.
Anyone of you guys in 1 year couldve repeated this.
Or is that experiment considered a false positive?

Nevermind dont answer
Ill start a thread
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2018, 10:10:47 PM »
Quote from: gotham on October 21, 2018, 03:06:47 PM
To make a legitimate counter-claim to an ice wall potential, science-minded individuals must follow closely held behavioral tendancies:

...and the scientist who reported there was no ice wall was who again?

...and the peer review journal revealing there is no ice wall is what again?

The Earth shape question is far too important for the many who, day after day, work on restoring what was originally known refuse to accept reality.
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Re: My complaints about the ice wall
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2018, 03:30:56 AM »
Quote from: JackBlack on November 08, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: neutrino on November 08, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
Can't believe this brought up again. Year after year same topics arise
I can believe it.
The same topics will continue to be brought up again and again, at least until the FEers have answers for it and can post it in a nice succinct FAQ which people can easily find.

It’s based on people’s incredulity, in that newcomers are astonished to find the people actually believe in something like the ice wall that has no more than unicorn status.
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