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Flat Earth Debate / Re: the pop scientist Sabine H. has some sympathy for flat earthers
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Or the "tell me youre crazy without telling me youre crazy"
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The truth is, the biggest actual threat to Big Government is a population completely unafraid of death. How would they keep order if you can't threaten them? Religion is not a tool of order. It's actually counter-cultural.
Yes, businesses want profit.
You're the asshole who doesn't want to give it to them.
Or did you forget that even Mao eventually conceded "greed is good," and allowed a capitalist-like economic system even though the government is ostensibly communist. We went to China in 2005. We noticed the US was more economically socialist than China, which had little to no regulations against street corner businesses. US? To sell something, you often need to get a permit.
But yes, you say it "didn't work." So I guess you're right.
Or maybe I remember things fondly growing up in the 80s and 90s, and my fond memories are correct. And maybe, just maybe, when businesses want profit, you ought to give it to them.
We've driven through New Jersey several times. We've seen some very sketchy businesses. There are also nice country roads where you can buy bread in Cape May. Or small food stands that sell corn or other produce. You don't seem to understand New Jersey.
We went to a restaurant recently for Mother's Day. My dad (upper-middle class, not super wealthy but able to do nice things) went about a $30/person restaurant. With taxes and tip, he raised the total to about $50/person, he said. That's a little more than 30% combined tax and tip, no?
As for me, I usually avoid restaurants, as I know that I can't pay a fair tip.
You don't understand choice, because you think people have to be forced to do things. If you offer people something they already want, yes they will pay for it. The reason rich people might not like spending a 30% sales tax is that you foisted it on them. Compare these two sales taxes, and see if you get it.
Version 1: Luxury car tax at 30%. No say in how it is spent. Rich hate this tax (but let's face it, they hate all taxes) and might instead buy non-luxury cars.
Version 2: Many more cars are considered luxury. The ones that aren't are like used Pintos or 10+ year old cars. Those cars are tax free. Buying any decent new car has a 10% tax. But can pay a custom tax of 11% or more. Someone is super in favor of funding Ukraine's war. They buy the same car, but this time volunteer to pay 30%, provided they can write in 'Ukraine'.
You'd think that this is impossible. You'd be wrong. We can see you're wrong by looking at tip behavior. You can tip as little as nothing, yet the standard tip is usually 15%. Some pay alot more. After restaurants moved to a gratuity plus tip, some people just leave it at the gratuity and don't pay more. Interesting, isn't it? When people are told what is a social expectation, they tend to pay it and pay more in some cases. When people are made to pay a certain amount, they don't volunteer any more. Almost like people want to pay for things they want to pay for, and don't like being ordered to do so.
You can see it's wrong again when you find out about charity contributions.
Taxes are supposed to be a tip for government doing a good job. If people are trying to pay nothing, this ought to tell volumes about how little they like the service. Or how poor they are. And if you think people have to be forced to pay taxes, deep down, you also know that the services the government provides are horse shit.
Churches do this model (offering is any value, not mandatory). They usually manage to stay in business, provide there are enough members. When there is a specific crisis (e.g. flood in New Orleans), they are told to write on the Pay to the Order of part of the check the church name, and the For part New Orleans Relief. If a church can do this, despite not having government resources and technology, why can't we make touchscreens that tell the government what we want our taxes spent on? You're making excuses.
Yes, businesses want profit.
You're the asshole who doesn't want to give it to them.
my dad (upper-middle class, not super wealthy but able to do nice things)
As for me, I usually avoid restaurants, as I know that I can't pay a fair tip.
Taxes are supposed to be a tip for government doing a good job. If people are trying to pay nothing, this ought to tell volumes about how little they like the service.
why can't we make touchscreens that tell the government what we want our taxes spent on? You're making excuses.
No I'm not. I'm a "science" denier.
I trust the science where people said unpopular things, and were sometimes burned as witches, but nonetheless tested their experiments. If round Earth or heliocentrism are "established science", we ought to immediately question their validity. Science is about breaking tradition, about testing limits. Not about deciding we have settled something.
so you believe that god exists? well, matters not. this is a discussion about reality not fiction. especially not about one that was written a thousand years ago. try again when you can actually make sense without the involvement of god.Is this entire site's time spent on ad-hominem attacks that don't address the merits of the claim? Fun!
The moon is inside the dome. Outside the dome is the void. They call it outer space, but this is what we mean.QuoteThe earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face of the deep (primeval ocean that covered the unformed earth). The Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.disturbed
That's right. Only God can move across the void. Sun and moon are inside the firmament. The stars are pinpricks in the firmament. The void is white, not black. So we are seeing the absolute brightness of God through these holes in the sky.
If the moon is inside the dome, you can in fact land on it. However, they didn't. It was all propaganda to hide the fact that the two governments allied against their own people.
Oh you people and your phobia about moonlight. The sun is safe to look at during sunset. The moon is safe to look at all day.
The moons light is not reflected sunlight. It's a cooling light that doesn't burn the eyes. It's actually better even than the blue light from electronic devices.
This is the same sort of nonsense you can hear on college campuses.
1. You think it's not okay to be a regular citizen and carry a gun for protection from rape or murder.
2. You think it's not okay for a country to exist, after being persecuted for centuries, and literally having its enemies all around it.
3. You think it's okay for violent assholes to destroy another people who quite literally experienced a hate crime to the point of a 1/1000th reduction of population.
4. You sympathize not with civilized people but with an Iron Age culture playing pretend as a modern people. A people who are quite willing to blow themselves up for Allah. Meanwhile, the Jews dragged us out of the muck. If not for the Jewish people, the Western world would predominantly be filled with slaves. Cultural advancement is thanks to religion. Religion is not some backwards system that holds advancement back (conflict rheory of religion is garbage), but rather religion was the impetus for societal development.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190418-how-and-why-did-religion-evolve
Our meals as families, our festivals, our gatherings have created a long slow progress toward peace. Then in the 19th and twentieth century, the rise of atheism has undone much of what religion accomplished. We have become disconnected, peering at phones instead of connecting in meaningful ways. The 20th century, often falsely painted as a peaceful period, is actually a period of the most wars in recent memory worldwide. The Nazi regime and communism collectively killed more than 100 million people. By the way, lest you think this was Jews only, from Hitler's writings you figure out that Christians were gonna be the next target. The enemy of such people is religion. So really, your only (temporary) allies are a pack of brutish thugs from a religion that rejected a way forward (Judaism was revolutionary when compared to primitive atheism and Babylonian/Roman secular polytheism but was ultimately traditionalist, while The Discovers credits Christianity for the rise in technology), and is in fact trying its best to drag us on all fours back into the muck. They even look inbred.
And here's the godless allies of these "people".
Meanwhile, this is what Jews and Christians look like. As you can see, they are virtually identical to modern people. Because civilized ideas create civilized people.
You might want to examine your life a bit.
They want it, they can send an envelope for it. If not, they don't get that service.
This shows how little you understand about me.