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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 27, 2024, 03:04:57 PM »

You suffer from black and white thinking.

You mean black and white thinking like thinking an experiment is final?

No, black and white thinking like inability to recognize grey areas and inability to recognize that a thing can be anything other than all right or all wrong.

Torve old sport.

This is exactly the problem with you people and your debate/ridicule mindset.

Look at y’all now. Bickering amongst each other.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The sunset

« on: November 26, 2024, 06:09:19 PM »

Sunset

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Flat Earth General / Re: The sunset

« on: November 26, 2024, 06:04:40 PM »

Th sunset

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Flat Earth General / Re: The sunset

« on: November 26, 2024, 06:00:38 PM »

Share it trove.

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Flat Earth General / The sunset

« on: November 26, 2024, 05:34:13 PM »

Share the sunset.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Speaker for colloquim

« on: November 26, 2024, 05:15:59 PM »

I cannot believe how rude y’all been to Ayan.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 26, 2024, 05:15:15 PM »

https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

As I understand it, the three FEers who are participating have signed binding contracts to the effect that if they pull out for their own reasons they have to reimburse the cost of their complementary tickets, which is a serious sum.

If they do participate and then choose to lie about the whole thing, there may not be anything stopping them doing that, although there might be.

The value of this venture as I see it is that it puts this particular question on the record with a high profile. The result is inevitably going to attract ridicule of FE. Every time the subject is brought up from here on, the Final Experiment is going to be referenced. Anyone can reasonably state that FE has thereby been disproved, and the FEers antics before and after are a testament to their dishonesty.

FEers are particularly sensitive to ridicule, even though they often claim they don't care. Don't believe that.

Let's make no mistake, FE is a genuinely dangerous phenomenon. If it enters the mainstream, as it is presently threatening to do (Candace Owens is considering it), then it becomes an outlet for disturbed people to enforce anti-reality on people, which is a road to tyranny. Think of it as the Trans movement 2.0. The best way to thwart it is by exposing it to ridicule.

You’re so caught up in it. You’re hilarious.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 07:55:43 PM »

Let's take the Caspian video. What are we seeing there?

I live with someone that believes in the globe, infinite vacuum of space, the moon landing etc. I don’t say a word to him. I have no interest in changing his mind.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 07:44:20 PM »

Many multiples of people who are completely ignorant of flat earth posting Timelapse videos of the sunrise/sunset incidentally proving flat earth. In locations anyone may travel to and repeat the experiment.

That’s a long way off what you were advocating for.

Leaving that aside, what is the reason you have not observed this with your own eyes? All you need is a pair of sunglasses.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 07:30:07 PM »

Many multiples of people who are completely ignorant of flat earth posting Timelapse videos of the sunrise/sunset incidentally proving flat earth. In locations anyone may travel to and repeat the experiment.

That’s a long way off what you were advocating for.

Leaving that aside, what is the reason you have not observed this with your own eyes? All you need is a pair of sunglasses.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 07:23:11 PM »

Many multiples of people who are completely ignorant of flat earth posting Timelapse videos of the sunrise/sunset incidentally proving flat earth. In locations anyone may travel to and repeat the experiment.

That’s a long way off what you were advocating for.

Leaving that aside, what is the reason you have not observed this with your own eyes? All you need is a pair of sunglasses.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 07:12:59 PM »

I haven’t confirmed with my own photography. However, I have dug up enough videos. Actual, unbiased sources who are recording the the sunrise/sunset as photography projects with no intentions of proving what they unknowingly proved. 

Go see.

You’re trusting the source of the results beyond a shadow of the doubt. Meaning you refuse to consider the ulterior motives and/or incentives of the group and their affiliated organizations. You’re refusing the possibility of a deception when deception is a legitimate possibility

Many multiples of people who are completely ignorant of flat earth posting Timelapse videos of the sunrise/sunset incidentally proving flat earth. In locations anyone may travel to and repeat the experiment.

That’s a long way off what you were advocating for.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:56:09 PM »

It’s not a conclusion. It’s an educated guess. It’s my prediction.

Why is that the prediction?

Rinse and repeat the same old stunts. As I said, patterns in behaviour. In order to predict something you need to observe and document first.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:53:46 PM »

Yes, You can observe this. Or you can observe the sun not rise but rather appear above the horizon from over the Atlantic. Put it on the bucket list.

The question was not whether I can do this.

The question was whether you have in fact actually done this yourself.

I haven’t confirmed with my own photography. However, I have dug up enough videos. Actual, unbiased sources who are recording the sunrise/sunset as photography projects with no intentions of proving what they unknowingly proved. 

Go see.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:49:21 PM »

If I had to guess. I’d imagine so.

Why is that the conclusion?

It’s not a conclusion. It’s an educated guess. It’s my prediction.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:29:51 PM »

What’s more interesting is observing the “sunset” from elevation over the Pacific Ocean. If the Sea is calm, and the sky is clear, you’ll notice the sun will not disappear beyond the horizon but rather shrinks in size above the horizon until it disappears.

And have you observed this happening?

PS. I hope you do not stare at the sun without protection.

Yes, You can observe this. Or you can observe the sun not rise but rather appear above the horizon from over the Atlantic. Put it on the bucket list.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:27:17 PM »

3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica.

Do you expect the FEers participating to bear false witness?

You really believe in the honour system.

How do you know they’re genuine “FEers”? How do you know they’re not corruptible? Should I just blindly trust anyone who claims to hold flat earth “beliefs”?

It was a simple question. It deserves a simple answer, I believe.

If I had to guess. I’d imagine so.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:13:24 PM »

3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica.

Do you expect the FEers participating to bear false witness?

You really believe in the honour system.

How do you know they’re genuine “FEers”? How do you know they’re not corruptible? Should I just blindly trust anyone who claims to hold flat earth “beliefs”?

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:10:49 PM »

Source: “Trust me bro”.

Observing that the sun is small and local is something almost anyone can do on a clear day.

And do you?

What kind of observations do you do in your research?

Observing the sun is a good place to start.

Watch it’s size throughout the day. As the sun gets closer it’s size increases until the midday sun. Then, as the sun moves away, it’s size decreases.

Detecting changes in the suns size by the naked eye is only possible if the sun is small and local. This wouldn’t be possible with globe model.The distance the earth spins you away from the sun would be negligible in changing the perceived size of the sun considering the claimed distance of 93 million miles.

That's very interesting.

Are you interested in performing an Eratosthenes experiment?

What’s more interesting is observing the “sunset” from elevation over the Pacific Ocean. If the Sea is calm, and the sky is clear, you’ll notice the sun will not disappear beyond the horizon but rather shrinks in size above the horizon until it disappears.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 06:00:55 PM »

It may just be that eclipse events have been observed to occur on a regular repeatable pattern.

Yes, and that regular repeatable pattern can be modeled quite nicely using a heliocentric model.

There was an eclipse recently. I didn’t see the moon 🌙.

Solar eclipses always happen during a new moon.  Have you ever seen a new moon?  That's a regular repeatable pattern too.

There have been two eclipse events within the last ten years and I hadn’t seen a new moon either time. I looked directly at the eclipse and took pictures both times. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:58:00 PM »

Observing that the sun is small and local is something almost anyone can do on a clear day.

True, but can almost anyone see the sun above the horizon for 24 hours in a row?

No, you’d need to travel to the most northern regions of the earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:56:12 PM »

Source: “Trust me bro”.

Observing that the sun is small and local is something almost anyone can do on a clear day.

And do you?

What kind of observations do you do in your research?

Observing the sun is a good place to start.

Watch it’s size throughout the day. As the sun gets closer it’s size increases until the midday sun. Then, as the sun moves away, it’s size decreases.

Detecting changes in the suns size by the naked eye is only possible if the sun is small and local. This wouldn’t be possible with globe model.The distance the earth spins you away from the sun would be negligible in changing the perceived size of the sun considering the claimed distance of 93 million miles.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Final Experiment - Antarctic 24 hour sun

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:48:55 PM »

There already is a (dormant) thread on this topic, but the thing suggested I should start a new thread.

This is the most important event in FE for at least a few years - the observation of the alleged continuous daylight and sun in the sky (excepting cloud cover) in the Antarctic summer. Globe Earth asserts that this phenomenon is a fact, whereas most believe it cannot happen in the most commonly cited model of Flat Earth, the one with the North Pole in the center and ringfenced by some sort of Antarctica. The so-called Final Experiment is an expedition to Antarctica to observe and record what does in fact happen, scheduled to begin around the middle of December 2024.

https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

To all Flatters and Globers, we should come together and share in this experience.

I think each and every Flatter and concerned Glober should at least create a post in this thread and state their view on the following:

1. Is the 24 hour daylight phenomenon possible in the common Flat Earth model?

2. Is the 24 hour daylight phenomenon necessarily a feature of the Globe Earth model?

3. Will the Final Experiment observe a continuous 24 hours of daylight?


My own answers as a Glober:

1. No.

2. Yes.

3. Yes, without a shadow of doubt (pun intended).


What does the rest of the world think?


PS: Bonus points for any "The Thing" references.

Last time I’m entertaining you.

 1. 24 hour sun does happen in the artic when the sun is close and over cancer. It does not happen in the outer-reaches (Antarctica).

2. There is no globe earth. The flat earth is observable by anyone who cares to look. However, to entertain you, if “the globe” tilted to align Capricorn with the sun then there would need to be a 24 hour sun in Antarctica.

3. If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:45:31 PM »

But to entertain your question. No, the midnight sun does not occur at the outer-reaches of the earth. The days are short, and get shorter the further south you travel. In the outer-reaches, the days are the shortest when the sun is over cancer and the longest when the sun is over Capricorn.

I thank you for your indulgence, you have done more than most in this forum. Respect.

It would be preferable however, if you answered all three questions directly in the thread indicated.

 24 hour sun does happen in the artic when the sun is close and over cancer. It does not happen in the outer-reaches (Antarctica). That’s the flat earth model.

There is no globe earth. The flat earth is observable by anyone who cares to look. However, to entertain you, if “the globe” tilted to align Capricorn with the sun then there would need to be a 24 hour sun in Antarctica.

If I had to guess, the Final Experiment will put forward result that suggest there’s a midnight sun in Antarctica. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:32:04 PM »

As you expect us all to be reliant and trusting of the “honour system”.

I don't know what you mean by this.

I mean, you’re trusting the source of the results beyond a shadow of the doubt. Meaning you refuse to consider the ulterior motives and/or incentives of the group and their affiliated organizations. You’re refusing the possibility of a deception when deception is a legitimate possibility.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:17:56 PM »

I’m not interested in debate. The major problem with the flat earth movement is that people believe it must be treated like a debate. I have zero interest in arguing, I have zero interest in changing consensus. I see it as a research topic. My motives in my research are purely selfish.

The Final Experiment is research. It is about gathering evidence.

Source: “Trust me bro”.

Observing that the sun is small and local is something almost anyone can do on a clear day.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 05:02:36 PM »

Again, I don’t know enough about this phenomenon. But it’s clear to me that the sun follows a predictable “track”, spiralling in towards the pole, then spiralling back out to Capricorn.

If this is clear to you, why haven't you gone on the record in the Final Experiment?

I have no idea what you’re referring to.

I am referring to answering the three questions contained in OP on this thread:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92861.0

I’m not interested in debate. The major problem with the flat earth movement is that people believe it must be treated like a debate. I have zero interest in arguing, I have zero interest in changing consensus. I see it as a research topic. My motives in my research are purely selfish.

But to entertain your question. No, the midnight sun does not occur at the outer-reaches of the earth. The days are short, and get shorter the further south you travel. In the outer-reaches, the days are the shortest when the sun is over cancer and the longest when the sun is over Capricorn.

The idea that that this event, the Final Experiment, is somehow going to provide conclusive evidence is absurd. As you expect us all to be reliant and trusting of the “honour system”.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 04:39:08 PM »

Again, I don’t know enough about this phenomenon. But it’s clear to me that the sun follows a predictable “track”, spiralling in towards the pole, then spiralling back out to Capricorn.

If this is clear to you, why haven't you gone on the record in the Final Experiment?

I have no idea what you’re referring to.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 04:28:03 PM »

Now there’s a geocentric model where the earth is a ball?

Is this better?

The ability to predict eclipses may not be dependent on knowing the earths correct shape. Furthermore, there no evidence that any scientist needs to factor in their belief that the earth is a ball to make an accurate prediction of an eclipse event.

Much better, thank you.

To create a graphical track of the impact of a solar eclipse over a substantial length upon the surface of the earth, obviously the shape of the earth matters, except possibly in a small minority of cases.

Again, I don’t know enough about this phenomenon. But it’s clear to me that the sun follows a predictable “track”, spiralling in towards the pole, then spiralling back out to Capricorn. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: How can scientists predict solar eclipses if their model of the earth is wrong?

« on: November 24, 2024, 03:51:23 PM »

It may just be that eclipse events have been observed to occur on a regular repeatable pattern. Like a clock. How did scientists know it would be 1:30 exactly 90 minutes prior when it was noon?

It hasn't. The resolution of such a model would require a much larger number of previous eclipses for the accuracy manifest.

I don’t know nearly enough about these events to contribute with any exhaustive detail. However, as I’ve already mentioned, in order to predict something we’d need to be able to observe/detect it for sometime. we’d need to observe that it does not act at random but is rather predictable. So if scientists are predicting these events with accuracy as you’ve claimed, then they must be observing and documenting the behaviour/motion of the celestial objects involved. It would also be necessary for these scientists to notice a pattern in the objects behaviour which would allow them to predict upcoming events.

The question is: How is this possible using an incorrect model of the shape of the earth?

And what I’ve explained is, there is no law which states “in order to predict an eclipse, one must use the heliocentric model to do so”.

Are you able to comprehend that the shape of the earth and the heliocentric model are distinct entities?

Now there’s a geocentric model where the earth is a ball?

Is this better?

The ability to predict eclipses may not be dependent on knowing the earths correct shape. Furthermore, there no evidence that any scientist needs to factor in their belief that the earth is a ball to make an accurate prediction of an eclipse event.