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Experiment to Triangulate the moons position

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JDKCountry

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Experiment to Triangulate the moons position
« on: May 30, 2025, 01:00:55 PM »
I have been studying the Gleason Map for around 10 years. I just came up with an Experiment I believe is going to shed some clarity on everything once the Experiment is compete.
There are 3 video's of me trying to explain it.... if you dont want to sit through too much then just watch the last video.







I am Hoping to Connect with some of my Sniper Buddies and Go do the Test ourselves one day; Right now I do not have my DL so it is going to be hard to conduct this test as of right now without Support so this is me reaching out.

With the research i have done right now... one way the Experiement could be done is if i am able to find enough guys with the gear to do this experiment. 1st i would say lets just get as many people as we can to start going outside at midnight or whenever the moon is at your location and start syncing this thing up.... I have a strange feeling that we are not going to be able to see it from what AI said... almost 8,000 miles away from each other at midnight. we should probably 1st try doing a midnight thing where the moon is directly over CO or somewhere close the middle of the states and go from there.... it would make it around 2-3am on the east coast for the test but i believe it will be worth it. Please let me know what yall think, I am hoping to get this done soon. I am still holding onto some of my findings in my research as i said... I have been doing this since around 2015. If you go to my Website and go to Studies page you will see the Video i talk about where the moon and the sun are in the sky at the same time and the moon has a shadow on it... this video was take in Basrah, Iraq around 2015-2017. the website is Thundershield.online

Click link for summary of research so far..... https://www.thundershield.online/post/research-and-new-experiment
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JDKCountry

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Re: Breakthrough in my Research
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2025, 03:52:42 PM »
If you want to see something Terrifyingly interesting then go to my blog on my website Thundershield.online
Click Blog in the top right corner on my webpage and scroll down to "Another Chat with ChatGPT"
it is mindblowing.

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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2025, 05:40:48 AM »
Sad to say, snipers already prove the Flat Earth.

Remember the whole "Battleships need to fire in an arc" thing?

Well, I told you that it had nothing to do with curvature and everything to do with knowing the limits of your weapon, its actual fire range versus its alleged range, and that so-called modern weapons are mostly about boasting then excusing the failure by telling people you need to adjust to curvature drop.



You see, sniper rifles are actually somewhat well made. And their ammo are somewhat less massive than huge cannons and rockets. So a sniper doesn't have to stand up, (exposing their position) and fire upward like an archer; they can sit down or even crouch, low to the ground and take the shot. Propulsion and ammo size, this is what this is really about. When cannons stop being pea shooters, they adjust less and less upward.

Yes, we've known since archery times that if an arrow has a maximum distance, you can tweak that distance by applying an arc.   I even used it to wipe the floor in one of the intermediate Zelda trials, when I fired across the room by tilting shots up. It's not because of the curvature, it's because of the extra distance from the ground.
As an projectile falls, it is losing kinetic energy to the object's air resistance. The bigger and more massive the object, the more it  needs its own fuel source (such as guided missiles) to continue past the propulsion provided by their initial launch. Momentum factors into this, but slow moving objects close to the ground that are also massive haven't got a chance. A sniper rifle on the other hand doesn't tend to carry giant shells, and it fires at a decent velocity. Momentum overcomes "gravity" and "curvature" and the sniper makes few adjustments except for extreme distances.

Therefore.




With a decent weapon, you do not need to stand and fire upward.

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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2025, 06:24:41 AM »
Sad to say, snipers already prove the Flat Earth.

Remember the whole "Battleships need to fire in an arc" thing?



Sigh. 

Because battle ships were on a level surface at sea level.


what I should expect to happen is some sort of tension while trying to wrap a level road to this "clearly visible" drop.

The definition of level surface…

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Level Surface : A Curved surface that at every point is perpendicular to the local plumb line. The plumb linemeans the direction in which the gravity acts. Level Surfaces are approximately spheroidal in the shape. The common example of a level surface is a body of the still water.


https://surveyingwithsamo.wordpress.com/

Where battle ships might fire on a target 20 to 26 miles away.

Anyway, remember this…

Ships do not curve downward out of sight three or so miles away, it’s an illusion of perspective over flat surfaces.



What are you babbling about.

As ships go away from a viewer, they become increasingly blocked from view by earths curvature.

It’s a mathematical relationship that can be used to determine distance knowing the earths curvature.

Pre radar systems, navy’s would come out with guides on estimating how far away ships are based on if they are in front of the horizon, on the horizon, or how much they were blocked by the horizon.




Things get blocked by the horizon because of earth’s curvature.   Where binoculars and telescopes that provide magnification can’t unblock the portion physical blocked from view by the earth’s curvature.  . That’s an undeniable fact.  To post otherwise is a lie. 

So.  With visual line of sight observation, there is the horizon.

With the advent of line of sight radio, there was the radio horizon because of earth’s curvature.

With the advent of radar, there is the radar horizon because of earth’s curvature.  Private developers and militaries came up with bouncing radar off the ionosphere to create a working technology and over the horizon radar.  Again, because of earth’s curvature.  Where shortwave radio works the same way to over come line of sight transmission and being limited by the earth’s curvature.



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Back to snipers..

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Reports regarding the longest recorded sniper kills that contain information regarding the shooting distance and the identity of the sniper have been presented to the general public since 1967.[citation needed] Snipers have had a substantial history following the development of long distance weaponry. As weapons, ammunition, and aids to determine ballistic solutions improved, so too did the distance from which a kill could be targeted. In mid-2017 it was reported that an unnamed Canadian special forces operator, based in Iraq, had set a new record of 3,540 m (3,871 yd), beating the record previously held by an Australian sniper (also unnamed) at 2,815 m (3,079 yd).[4] In November 2023, the record was once again broken by 58-year old sniper Viacheslav Kovalskyi of the Security Service of Ukraine, who shot a Russian soldier from a distance of 3,800 m (4,156 yd) during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[5][6][7][8][9

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills

20 miles for battleship range vs 2.3 miles for the record of sniper long distance kill.  The sniper would have to have the elevation of a whole four feet to clear the curvature of the earth.

Bulma…

Remember your buddy AI




Anyway.  Imagining backing the record sniper shot.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-sniper-describes-record-longest-kill-shot-claim-2023-12

You can be on a spherical earth and still be above your target. 

So.  Bulma.  Again you burger the context of sniper and how they compare to long distance battleships gunnery.
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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2025, 10:51:46 AM »
Let's explain this to you. Since you even still appear not to get it.

Supposing that firing at an arc added 1.5x to range.

On a flat surface, aiming up creates the desired arc.
On a hilled surface, there is a fucking hill in the way of even firing straight.


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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2025, 01:59:18 PM »
Let's explain this to you. Since you even still appear not to get it.

Supposing that firing at an arc added 1.5x to range.

On a flat surface, aiming up creates the desired arc.
On a hilled surface, there is a fucking hill in the way of even firing straight.


Which represents real life how.

When we know the distances involved in battleship combat the horizon does hide the target with enough distance.

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Where, if combat broke out in my area.  This is what a sniper would have to overcome.











Where again.  The curvature, if not negated by hills, would be easily overcome by the sniper positioning on a 4 ft rise or hill.  You realize for a head shot, most people stand around five feet? 

Bulma.  Do you understand why snipers use the high ground to their advantage.  And seek it out. 

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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2025, 02:19:41 PM »
Well, I told you that it had nothing to do with curvature and everything to do with knowing the limits of your weapon
Yes, you asserted complete crap, based upon nothing more than your hopes and dreams.

Yes, we've known since archery times that if an arrow has a maximum distance
It doesn't.
Instead, it arcs based upon gravity.

It's not because of the curvature
Curvature is only one factor. No one other than you is pretending it is the only one.

The bigger and more massive the object, the more it  needs its own fuel source (such as guided missiles) to continue past the propulsion provided by their initial launch.
Wrong again.
The bigger it is, and the faster it is initially launched, the more it needs it. But the more massive it is the less it needs it.

The distinction between a sniper and modern battleships is the velocity of the projectile and the range.
Snipers are typically shotting at things at moderate range. No more than a few km.
And they do fire upwards, more so for greater distance, but not very much.

Battleship projectiles fire at a slower velocity, and are hitting targets a much greater distance away. Sometimes 10s of km.

Let's explain this to you.
Again, we understand.
And your pathetic diagrams aren't helping you at all.

Again, curvature is one factor, more important for larger distances.
At 40 archaic units it is insignificant.

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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2025, 04:18:19 AM »
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Let's explain this to you. Since you even still appear not to get it.

Supposing that firing at an arc added 1.5x to range.

On a flat surface, aiming up creates the desired arc.
On a hilled surface, there is a fucking hill in the way of even firing straight.


Which represents real life how?

Good of you to say so.



In your supposed curvature, if you fired in a straight line, and the shell never fell because of "gravity" you would skim the surface of the water and come out the other side.
In real life, I am sorry to say that such delusional BS does not happen. So you excuse around it, claiming all sorts of things. "Oh, that's not the real curvature, the real curvature is less extreme looking." "Look at all the factors in this battleship! One of the others makes it so that doesn't happen."
The point being firing in an arc seems necessary on a curvature because you're positioned a hill like that on the battleship shot. When it's convenient for you to rationalize away the limited range of ballistics. But when it's time to talk about curvature and the effects of vision, all of a sudden, you're on top of the world.

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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2025, 04:43:03 AM »

In your supposed curvature,


The earth curves from dip of the horizon to the way the distances involved in battleship combat the horizon physically block ships from view bottom up.

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Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km







The rate the building is blocked by the horizon is reasonable proof of earth’s curvature.

Part four, the classic.  Ships disappearing bottom up.

During the video of “Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km”, the individual pans the camera across a near ship.



Then a ship farther away.




If that isn’t conclusive concerning the ship over the horizon.  There is always my go to ship video.

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Where the above shows the amount of curvature known as dip of the horizon can be measured



if you fired in a straight line,

One.  You lie about the nature of the trajectory of ballistics.  But if you had a magic bullet that didn’t drop because of gravity and could travel line of sight.  You could still hit the portions of ship visible.  Literally like line of sight communication.  Where we know there is a dip to the horizon from radio and radar horizon.

Two.  We been over the interaction of bullets and gravity.  Higher velocity doesn’t change the drop rate of a fired bullet.  A dropped bullet and a fired bullet drop towards earth at the same rate because of gravity and bullets are built to reduce drag and not shaped to create lift.


As for you guys who said all falling objects fall at the same rate...

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Feather and Coin in a Vacuum (A8) [1C20.10]








Or like a dropped bullet falls at the same rate as a bullet fired from a muzzle.

Bullet Fired vs Bullet Dropped - Mythbusters for the Impatient



"we can't actually measure the speed of a bullet so we throw an absurd 1022 mph at it for a .22

I should read your posts more closely.  I miss small easy to debunk items. 

One.  It’s pretty easy to tell if a bullet breaks the sound barrier.

Two.
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People that bench load cartridges, and don’t use factory loads, need an accurate means to measure the muzzle velocity of their cartridges to better understand how the shot bullet will perform..

Where Bulma you lie about the heliocentric model.

The earth has a radius of 6378.1 kilometers.

If the earth was smooth.  A scope .3 meters off the ground would still see about .6 meters of an object at 4km.  Where only about .4 meters of the distance object hidden by curvature.  That means at 4km, .6 meters of the object would be in straight line of sight.


Below is a simulation.







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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2025, 02:34:47 PM »
In your supposed curvature, if you fired in a straight line, and the shell never fell because of "gravity" you would skim the surface of the water and come out the other side.
In real life, I am sorry to say that such delusional BS does not happen.
No, that is your delusional BS.
Back in reality, gravity still exists and causes bullets to come down.

Again, curvature is 1 effect. Not the only effect.

Are you really incapable of comprehending the combined result of multiple things at once?

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Re: Breakthrough Experiment that needs to get done by Snipers
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2025, 07:05:09 PM »
"gravity"

How about something you can do in an enclosed car maintaining speed at a consistent 55 mph.

You can lightly toss a baseball up in the air then have it fall back into your hand.

The ball in the car to your frame of reference goes straight up and straight down.  An outside observer sees the ball path move in the direction of the car in an arc.  Where the ball ends back in the hand 10 or 30 feet relative road distance from where it was tossed up.

There is nothing stopping the ball in the FE model from just keep floating up.  In fact, there is less air resistance up.  So if you think there is nothing supporting the ball, there is also nothing to resist it from rising.

The ball is already traveling in the direction of the car.  Just hold the ball in your open hand and drop your hand.  The ball drops.  Why.  There is more resistance down than the ball just traveling straight in the line of travel with the car.

What force causes the ball to travel down despite the car moving forward and the momentum of the ball is in the direction of travel with the car where down is into more air resistance where there is less air resistance up?

Again.  I can push a car in neutral all day long on a smooth garage floor.  As soon as I push the car up an incline like a ramp, I can’t. Why.  What force is acting on the car to prevent me pushing it up an incline despite the mechanical advantage of wheels where I pushed the car around the garage in neutral all day long.
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Re: Experiment to Triangulate the moons position
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2025, 04:42:03 AM »
Vote is rigged.

There is no "No, It's Flat And You'll Cheat Anyway, So What's The Point." Either you're interested or it's round and you don't care.

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Re: Experiment to Triangulate the moons position
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2025, 05:39:32 AM »
Vote is rigged.

There is no "No, It's Flat And You'll Cheat Anyway, So What's The Point." Either you're interested or it's round and you don't care.

And yet measurable dip of the horizon and sunsets proves spherical earth.