where dinosaurs real, or from Mars?

as per title. I have been reliably informed that despite having no opposable index, nor the ability to think beyond food > chew > crap, that they even traversed oceans in birds nests. now I know what you're thinking, when you say it out loud like that it sounds insane, but seriously, they where here for billions of years, could self awareness have developed in that time, shit, even the start of societies and civilizations?? 

sorry, the Mars reference in the title is because of the red shrimp that populate its atmosphere, and since they look pretty much like an un-evolved t-rex I thought it to be a logical assumption they came from there as there are no fossil records on earth that are older than the ones we have found on Mars

Don't be daft Karl. Every Flat Earth believer knows that dinosaurs came from Bedrock in Cobblestone County.

so did they travel from one continent to another when all the land masses where locked as one called Pangaea, or swim the oceans like big scaly reptilian mice?

despite [dinosaurs] having no . . . ability to think beyond food > chew > crap

Justify this statement.

Dinosaurs didn't use boats, don't be so preposterous. No, they had far more advanced technology:

Quote from: karl on May 03, 2011, 10:45:09 AM

despite [dinosaurs] having no . . . ability to think beyond food > chew > crap

Justify this statement.

they were animals, no different to todays creatures except in size, and also the small matter of tiny brain cavities that severely restricted their mental capacity

no doubt you have 'proof' they where a sea faring, self aware society with a penchant for agriculture and keeping other dinosaurs as pets, or, you'll tell em to read your bible again, Earth not a Globe or some other mindless drivel by lunatics and stuck in the past Luddites

they were animals, no different to todays creatures except in size, and also the small matter of tiny brain cavities that severely restricted their mental capacity

I agree! Modern dinosaurs have been shown to be capable of tool creation and other problem-solving abilities. Why would prehistoric dinosaurs be any different?

LMAO! What modern dinosaurs? Go on, amuse me. And step into my area of expertise, unwittingly, while you're at it.

Quote from: karl on May 04, 2011, 09:51:55 AM

they were animals, no different to todays creatures except in size, and also the small matter of tiny brain cavities that severely restricted their mental capacity

I agree! Modern dinosaurs have been shown to be capable of tool creation and other problem-solving abilities. Why would prehistoric dinosaurs be any different?

it's in bold so you can ignore it again

and epic lol at 'modern dinosaurs', your lunacy knows no bounds

Haven't you seen all those African crocodiles building boats and setting sail for the Bahamas, Karl? LOL.

LMAO! What modern dinosaurs? Go on, amuse me. And step into my area of expertise, unwittingly, while you're at it.

Modern dinosaurs are everywhere. I'm certain you've seen some.

I wish there was a practising vet on the forum who could jump in at this point and show you the evidence of your failure

Quote from: Great A Tuin on May 04, 2011, 09:55:10 AM

LMAO! What modern dinosaurs? Go on, amuse me. And step into my area of expertise, unwittingly, while you're at it.

Modern dinosaurs are everywhere. I'm certain you've seen some.

I'm not sure you understand evolution.

I wish there was a practising vet on the forum who could jump in at this point and show you the evidence of your failure

I would, my friend, but the iguana's have me pinned down with an AK-47 and the ninja gekkos are trying to flank me.

I wish there was a practising vet on the forum who could jump in at this point and show you the evidence of your failure

I'm sure many practising vets have seen them too. Many people keep dinosaurs as pets.

I believe you're confusing real life with Hollywood there. And no, birds are not dinosaurs in the same way we are not rodents despite a shared ancestory. Nor are sharks, as they never were dinosaurs, and the majority of what's left of the dinosaurs are low intelligence carniverous reptiles, most of whom are most definitely incapable of consequential thought and self awareness, never mind tool use and ship building.

Whether birds are dinosaurs is not a matter of shared ancestry, but classification. Humans are primates, for example, even though not all primates are humans. In the same way, birds are dinosaurs.

No they're not. Birds belong to the Class: Aves, Subclass Neornithes.
 
Dinosaurs all belong to the Class: Sauropsida, Subclass: Diapsida.

This is fact.


While you're here, you might also want to explain why you deleted two threads I made regarding Antartica and my inability to see Norway from Scotland? Or were the questions too hard to answer using the non-scientific gobbledegook this forum seems to thrive on?

Ok, I have to ask. How are dinosaurs relevent to the Earth being a either a pancake, or a ball?

Apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong, the reason they managed to get on all the continents without any continental drift, is by, and this is brilliant, using boats.

No they're not.

Dinosauria -> Saurischia -> Theropoda -> Coelophysoidea -> Maniraptora -> Aves

Birds are Dinosaurs.

Quote from: Ali on May 04, 2011, 12:11:11 PM

No they're not.

Dinosauria -> Saurischia -> Theropoda -> Coelophysoidea -> Maniraptora -> Aves

Birds are Dinosaurs.

Nonsense. Class Aves (birds) and Class Sauropsida (dinosaurs) are mutally exclusive. They bear no relationship to each other bar that birds EVOLVED from reptiles. You are forgetting the one fundamental difference between even modern reptiles and birds. One is endothermic and one is exothermic. That is a gigantic difference, otherwise you may as well say man, whales, rats and anteolpes are one and the same through our common ancestor Megazostrodon.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on May 04, 2011, 12:35:35 PM

Quote from: Ali on May 04, 2011, 12:11:11 PM

No they're not.

Dinosauria -> Saurischia -> Theropoda -> Coelophysoidea -> Maniraptora -> Aves

Birds are Dinosaurs.

Nonsense. Class Aves (birds) and Class Sauropsida (dinosaurs) are mutally exclusive.

Strawman, nobody ever suggested that birds are of Sauropsida, they are of Theropoda.

Unless you are suggesting that Theropods are also not dinosaurs?

One is endothermic and one is exothermic.

I believe the terms you are looking for are Endotherm and Ectotherm.

The transition from one to another is not a stretch of the imagination. The largest change between the two is an increase in metabolism.

You have yet to prove birds are dinosaurs. They are from two completely separate classes. Having common ancestry is irrelevant to your argument. We belong to the same subclass as kangaroos and the platypus and the same phylum as all fish and dinosaurs. The class is where the distinct differences come in. Birds are not dinosaurs, simply evolved from them. Your argument is still nonsense.

You have yet to prove birds are dinosaurs. They are from two completely separate classes. Having common ancestry is irrelevant to your argument. We belong to the same subclass as kangaroos and the platypus and the same phylum as all fish and dinosaurs. The class is where the distinct differences come in. Birds are not dinosaurs, simply evolved from them. Your argument is still nonsense.

Common ancestry is completely relevant to my argument. Also, Crocodiles and Birds are Dinosaurs just as Humans and Kangaroos are both Eutherias.

They are not dinosaurs, they are EVOLVED from dinosaurs. You don't seem able to appreciate the difference.

They are not dinosaurs, they are EVOLVED from dinosaurs. You don't seem able to appreciate the difference.

Dinosaur is a classification. Birds are dinosaurs, just as humans are primates, humans are mammals, and humans are eutherias.

please continue to argue with a qualified vet about animal anatomy and evolution, it’s awesome to read your comedy science

A qualified vet will confirm that birds are dinosaurs.  They would have to because they are.  Reading this thread alone is evidence of that.  It is really quite difficult to comprehend how birds are not dinosaurs?  Certainly makes for an interesting discussion, but in the end birds are dinosaurs.