Another mass shooting...

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Noooo, maybe you should read the article again.

Ain't nobody got time for that. If you have read it, just quote to important part.

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Again, perhaps we should  try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.

In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.

Well yes.  But therein lies the rub.  The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 07, 2017, 10:57:13 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.

We have that system now, he should have been  refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 11:08:16 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 07, 2017, 10:57:13 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.

We have that system now, he should have been  refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.

That's way too heavy handed. But why did it not work in this case exactly?

That will be an interesting  investigation.
It seems that the US government didn't tell the US government something the US government is required to do by the US government.
 

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 07, 2017, 10:57:13 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.

We have that system now, he should have been  refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 11:08:16 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 07, 2017, 10:57:13 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.

We have that system now, he should have been  refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.

It was the Air Force that screwed up by not entering his conviction into the national database like they were supposed to.  If they had, then the background check that was performed would have flagged him and he wouldn't have been able to buy the guns.

Quote from: crutonius on November 07, 2017, 10:43:08 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Again, perhaps we should  try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.

In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.

Well yes.  But therein lies the rub.  The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.

You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 11:45:20 AM

That will be an interesting  investigation.
It seems that the US government didn't tell the US government something the US government is required to do by the US government.
 

Oh this is just great. Way to go.

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 11:01:19 AM

Quote from: crutonius on November 07, 2017, 10:43:08 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Again, perhaps we should  try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.

In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.

Well yes.  But therein lies the rub.  The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.

You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?

I was not aware of that.  Maybe someone should inform Trump of that.  He seems to think more guns are the answer.

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 11:01:19 AM

Quote from: crutonius on November 07, 2017, 10:43:08 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Again, perhaps we should  try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.

In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.

Well yes.  But therein lies the rub.  The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.

You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?

I was not aware of that.  Maybe someone should inform Trump of that.  He seems to think more guns are the answer.

Example?


One more gun seems to have been the answer in this case no?

Quote from: crutonius on November 07, 2017, 12:02:40 PM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 11:01:19 AM

Quote from: crutonius on November 07, 2017, 10:43:08 AM

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 10:34:45 AM

Again, perhaps we should  try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.

In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.

But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?

It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.

Well yes.  But therein lies the rub.  The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.

You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?

I was not aware of that.  Maybe someone should inform Trump of that.  He seems to think more guns are the answer.

Example?


One more gun seems to have been the answer in this case no?

And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?

Example where Trump seems to think more guns are the answer?

And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 01:24:04 PM

And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?

One that entirely bans this class of guns?

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 01:24:04 PM

Example where Trump seems to think more guns are the answer?

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-hundreds-more-may-have-died-in-1510051281-htmlstory.html

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 01:24:04 PM

And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/domestic-violence-and-firearms-in-texas/

The law already exists.  They've just done a shit job at enforcing it.

Quote from: disputeone on November 06, 2017, 07:20:16 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 06, 2017, 02:19:36 PM

Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.

Ban assault trucks, high capacity gas tanks and fully automatic transmissions!!

Common sense assault truck laws now!!!!

Trucks have many uses other than killing people.  What uses do assault rifles have other than killing people?

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on November 06, 2017, 07:16:03 PM

Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.

OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!

And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?

Quote from: NAZA on November 07, 2017, 01:24:04 PM

And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?

In this case, the law already exists (domestic abuse conviction).  It was just a matter of the conviction not being properly reported to the appropriate database.  Again, the conviction should have shown up in the background check and stopped the sale.

They don't and heads should roll for the failure to have this nut in the database.

What did the Air Force say about this?

“This was mishandled by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, where Kelley was serving when he was arrested,” Bowman reported.

“An investigation is now underway, and the Air Force is taking it very seriously, said the source.”

Too many internet conspiracy nutters.

Do you think it's a problem? Or are you just here to derail discussion about Big Pharma and Big oil?
There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.

I think we should reevaluate the treatment of mental health conditions. SSRIs should be an absolute last resort when family community exercise good food and love don't work.

Typo.

There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.

Quote from: disputeone on November 07, 2017, 08:26:06 PM

There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.

Citation from one of the media outlets owned by the federal reserve please.