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This video from VSauce does an excellent job explaining why the horizon looks how it does, why the continents look different sizes from different satellites, and a bunch of other topics that get discussed here frequently. Enjoy!

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There are too many proofs that the earth is at rest, but i would like to show you one very primitive example which corroborates this already 100 % proven fact :

>>>A strong cast-iron cannon was placed with the muzzle upwards. The barrel was carefully tested with a plumb line, so that its true vertical direction was secured; and the breech of the gun was firmly embedded in sand up to the touch-hole, against which a piece of slow match was placed. The cannon had been loaded with powder and ball, previous to its position being secured. At a given moment the slow match at D was fired, and the operator retired to a shed. The explosion took place, and the ball was discharged in the direction A, B. In thirty seconds the ball fell back to the earth, from B to C; the point of contact, C, was only 8 inches from the gun, A. This experiment has been many times tried, and several times the ball fell back upon the mouth of the cannon; but the greatest deviation was less than 2 feet, and the average time of absence was 28 seconds; from which it is concluded that the earth on which the gun was placed did not move from its position during the 28 seconds the ball was in the atmosphere. Had there been motion in the direction from west to east, and at the rate of 600 miles per hour (the supposed velocity in the latitude of England), the result would have been as shown in fig. 49. The ball, thrown by the powder in the direction A, C, and acted on at the same moment by the earth's motion in the direction A, B, would take the direction A, D; meanwhile the earth and the cannon would have reached the position B, opposite to D. On the ball beginning to descend, and during the time of its descent, the gun would have passed on to the position S, and the ball would have dropped at B, a consider-able distance behind the point S. As the average time of the ball's absence in the atmosphere was 28 seconds--14 going upwards, and 14 in falling--we have only to multiply the time by the supposed velocity of the earth, and we find that instead of the ball coming down to within a few inches of the muzzle of the gun, it should have fallen behind it a distance of 8400 feet, or more than a mile and a half! Such a result is utterly destructive of the idea of the earth's possible rotation.<<<

First of all, Mr Rowbotham calculated wrong : the ball coming down to within a few inches of the muzzle of the gun should have fallen behind it more than 4.6 miles (not "more than a mile and a half")!!!

Now, i would like to point out a few important details in relation to this experiment :

1. When the ball was discharged upwards, gravitational pull ceased to make any significant influence (for all intents and purposes) to the ball during it's 28 seconds long vertical flight!

2. The ball was able to penetrate air in it's upward direction of flight (all the way to the point when gravitational pull regained/resumed it's influence to that ball after 14th seconds of the first half of it's vertical flight), and the ball was perfectly able to pass (in the same manner) through the air in it's downward path - coming back to the earth, also.

3. Since the ball was able to penetrate air in it's upward and downward direction we can be sure that this same ball would be able to pass through any kind of a supposed air flow which could theoretically blow (due to the alleged lateral motion of the atmosphere - in relation to the flying ball - due to the alleged rotation of the earth)

THE QUESTION : Having in mind above three enumerated information i would like to hear from any HC maniac what kind of physical mechanism could provide/caused 4,6 miles long ALLEGED lateral displacement of the ball during it's 28 seconds long vertical flight???

Where to even begin on this...?

The gravitational pull never ceased at any point. Gravity is what caused the cannonball do decelerate, the very same force which pulls it back down. Gravity exerted the same amount of force on the ball its entire trajectory.

The ball is moving at the same speed as the surface of the Earth at the moment of launch. That lateral speed doesn't suddenly disappear once it has left the cannon. Now, in a perfect scenario, the cannonball would end up very slightly behind the launch point. That's because before launch, it is travelling the circumference of the earth. Once launched, it is higher up, and is travelling on a circle with a greater circumference than the earth, meaning it travels fewer degrees of the circle for its given speed. When it comes back down, it had to travel a greater distance at a constant (lateral) velocity, and will have lost some ground. But that amount is less than the error margins for the experiment.

This is nitpicky, but the upward flight of the cannonball would be shorter than the fall, considering that exit velocity from the cannon is high than the terminal velocity of its fall.

There are so many things wrong with the presuppositions of the experiment, with the experiment itself, and with the analyzing of the data gathered in the experiment, that the experiment is effectively worthless.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: NROL-76 Launch
« on: May 10, 2017, 10:25:29 AM »
If you're happy to live your life in fantasy world, then  fair enough.
There's nothing I can do to make you see reality through the stories of what you adhere to from these people who sell you this utter CGI.

I have nothing against you for believing it, because, let's face it...you have nothing to marry it up against from anything physically real in your life, so why not adopt this.

shhh!


Ooops.  ;D

Take care yourself, they have strong arguments, you know.  ::)



This is Aldrin punch is more effective than Aldrin walking. He is my nightmare. ;D
Yeah, slugger Aldrin.  ;D
Imagine having to live nearly 50 years knowing you're hero worshipped for utter bullshit.

 Bart did not knockout like me.

As a result, flat earth believes doesn't easy knockout.  ;D

I'm still confused on how a man falls  by a bit tripping in a place that g is 1/6 of world g?



If Bart could make a trip to Aldrin, he could win the match.  ;D

I don't usually resort to insults, but after this string of GIFs, all I can say is that you're a complete and utter idiot, Intikam.

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The Earth cannot be spherical and stationary at the same time.

True.

No, not true. The motion of the Earth has absolutley nothing to do with it being a sphere. A motionless body above a certain mass would be a shpere, just like the Earth that spins and orbits the Sun is a shere.

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Yes, the Earth would still be round even if we were motionless. This is because it's spherical-ness depends on gravity, not motion.

That does bring up the interesting point, though, that if the Earth were motionless, it would be an even sphere. The Earth is in fact an oblate spheroid (thicker at the equator), which indicates that the Earth indeed spins.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Explain this curvature deviation
« on: April 11, 2017, 05:42:37 PM »
At my school we have Rugby posts, and because of the curvature of the Earth, they are slightly further apart at the top than at the bottom, I measured it using a ruler, it's about an inch more. Please explain how this deviation would be possible on a flat earth thanks

First off, I am not a flat-earther, and secondly, I don't believe you actually did this experiment.

But, let's pretend you did do it. There are way too many variables to think you have a reliable result by measuring a random rugby field with a ruler. Just to name a few:

-Imperfections in your ruler would become exaggerated.

-It's impossible for a person to use a single ruler to measure a rugby field to an accuracy within an inch.

-How would you even measure top-to-top with a single ruler?

-You don't know if the rugby posts stand perfectly upright, which could skew the results.

-You don't know if the ground from one rugby post to the other is level.

Of course the Earth is round, but you have not proved it with this.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Other Astronomical Bodies and More - Explain
« on: March 15, 2017, 05:34:17 PM »
From my understanding, the Flat Earth model has a dome atmosphere, which to a contemporary scientist is completely wrong.
Most people (Sheeple, as you call them) consider the atmosphere to fade very slowly, with no hard border, which is due in part to gravity, which similarly fades off as you get further.
However, the proposed dome suggests that the atmosphere cuts off abruptly, with a relatively constant air pressure, and that there is a mysterious edge of the universe.
This dome contains things that would have to be very small, which are otherwise explained as distant; Something many lightyears away would be less than a planck length large in this model.
The sun is explained as a spotlight, but why would it act as such?, spinning around physically, not even orbiting the Earth.
Other planets, such as Mars, have moons, which shouldn't be possible on other planets, as they don't have gravity.
How about Satelites? If you take a telescope, you CAN see the ISS. Even if you can't use a telescope, can you explain how GPS work?

I love how you'll deeply question FE ideas, but you don't put what you've been taught through the same scrutiny. You just automatically assume what you've been taught is dead accurate, right?

These are amateur star gazers, and here is what they claim they see when they gaze into the heavens with telescopes:





Not quite what NASA shows us, hey?

Those are just videos of people who don't know how to use a telescope, and don't understand the concept of atmospheric distortion.

I have gotten very clear views of Venus (a beautiful crescent shape right now), Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn through my (relatively) cheap telescope.

You could easily pick up a telescope for $100-$200 and see for yourself, if you really care about the subject that much.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Question in regards to "denpressure"
« on: February 05, 2017, 09:39:31 AM »
They get to what's interpreted as that under the existing model, but that's a key thing to recall. Science is based on the interpretation of evidence, and often that interpretation is done in line with accepted scientific fact. Which is great, just neither here nor there when dealing with models that aren't that.

Air pressure differences are not a theory. They are an objectively measurable fact. The pressure, and distribution of the pressure in a vacuum chamber is a fact that can help disprove or support a theory. In this case, it disproves the proposed denpressure theory, meaning denpressure must be modified or discarded. Also, in this case it supports the current theory of gravity.

I'm all for considering other theories, that's why I came to this forum in the first place. But an important part of learning is that once an idea is disproved, move on. Modify it, find something else, whatever. But denying objective evidence to fit any model is an ignorant and destructive process.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Question in regards to "denpressure"
« on: February 02, 2017, 01:00:56 PM »
Some molecules get evacuated, but far from all: the difference would actually be relatively minor.

An amateur vacuum chamber can easily get down to just a few percentage of atmospheric pressure, and vacuum chambers used for scientific purposes regularly get below one trillionth (yes, trillionth) of sea level atmospheric pressure. I don't think anyone could argue that either of those are minor differences.

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Plus, the potential decrease in force exerted by air would be balanced by the increase in ease of motion due to a lack of resistance by air.

What would be causing the air remaining in a vacuum chamber to force anything in a downward (towards the earth) motion in a vacuum chamber? You can speculate all you want about "the dome", but we know that pressure in vacuum chambers is uniform.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Question in regards to "denpressure"
« on: February 02, 2017, 12:25:31 PM »
Vacuum chambers get trickier under denpressure, I'd have to look up a past discussion to give much detail, but it also gets fairly into the theory of molecules.

How would "the theory of molocules" affect what happens in a vacuum chamber, considering that the whole point of a vacuum chamber is to remove all of the molocules (or at least remove enough that they don't have an appreciable effect on what is inside the vacuum chamber)?

And even if the remaining molocules did have some sort of effect, wouldn't you expect the resulting acceleration to be drastically different, considering the drastic difference in pressure and environment inside of the vacuum chamber as compared to outside the chamber?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Question in regards to "denpressure"
« on: February 01, 2017, 01:23:11 PM »
Jane, there is a very simple way to show that den pressure is not causing the downward force we call gravity. Make a near-vacuum in a vacuum chamber. Drop something in the chamber. Watch it fall. The vacuum chamber is sealed off from the atmosphere, so any effects of den pressure should not apply. The object will also fall at the exact rate as predicted by gravity.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth debunk: Australia is not big like that!
« on: November 02, 2016, 08:01:40 AM »
Don't talk about jet streams okey? This difference caused by wrong of map.
I'll translate for Intikam: "Don't talk about jet streams, because I don't have any idea how they work, and if I took the time to learn, then it would utterly destroy this theory that I've already sunk way too much time into."

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Science discovered all what to be discovered
« on: July 19, 2016, 02:16:43 PM »
Science is null and lead us to nothing, it is the parasite of real advance.
I agree. 
I love science but most of it is net wasted energy. 

Man does not need much. 
There is more than enough land on this earth for every man, woman and child to have at least 1 acre free and clear.  Imagine what a family could do. 

The land, left alone can provide for everybody in a peaceful manner without fancy technolgy. There is no over-population problem.  There is an evil, greedy neurotic bastard problem of folks raping and pillaging other folks. 

The quest for the unknown may be fun but it is unnecessary.  Everything that man can conceivably need to know can be passed on from generation to generation without a classroom.

That would suck to be the person who got their acre in the Sahara dessert, or in the mountains of Alaska, don't you think?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do Sattelites stay up there?
« on: July 19, 2016, 01:32:35 PM »
How do the satellites continually cope with that with the obvious change in so called gravity and bearing in mind that they should need CONTINUOUS fuel usage to correct  the so called orbit.

Most satellites do regularly use fuel to correct their orbits, otherwise the orbit will decay. As a matter of fact, the recent Russian resupply mission to the ISS took a lot of fuel, precisely so the ISS can maintain its orbit.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do Sattelites stay up there?
« on: July 19, 2016, 01:25:28 PM »
But still what of the solar system and galaxies, why are they flat.
I keep hearing analogies about pizzas, but a pizza is nothing like a solar system or a galaxy, solar systems and galaxies aren't being spun horizontally, or at least they shouldn't be, according to their theory of gravity, they should be spinning every which way, producing globular solar systems and galaxies, not flat ones.

This video gives an excellent explanation as to why planets/stars are spherical, and solar systems/galaxies are flat. Give it a watch.



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Hello everybody,

Today we'll see how is the sun moving away and how is popular science tomfool.

These images from a video while sun is setting.

This is one.



A few minutes or hours later. (We don't know what the video x speed) Same sun and same location.



We see the sun as significant shrunken. Compare two suns before sunset and while sunsetting.



I wonder which idiotly science will try to explain with what?  ;D

The video link is on the below you can find out these pictures on it.



Good by round earth theory.  :-X

I find out another good video shows the sun is clearly shrunken while moving away with different examples.



How is it possible if the sun is 93 zero zero zero zero zero zero miles away? Do not force your mind, It is impossible.

Oh, jeez, not you again intikam. I thought you and your half-baked trolling were gone for good.

As for the post, go to the beach and watch the sun set. This video is idiotic.

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The Stars
The Stars are not, as the satanic liars want you to believe, giant spheres of burning gas. The Stars are not physical entities at all; they are caused by sonoluminescence. Sonoluminescence is a phenomena in which light can be created by sonic waves propagating through water. Here is this effect in action, on a small scale:



The creator of that video himself stated that "It looked like a star in the heavens", and it most certainly does. The sonic waves that create the stars are caused by tectonic movement deep in the Earth, and from Sheol, which I will explain more about in a minute. These sonic waves propagate through the Firmament and the Celestial Ocean, where they cause these sonoluminescent lights that we call stars. The movement of the stars is caused by steady currents in the Celestial Ocean.

Sonoluminescense happens on very brief, tiny timescales. Nothing like the consistency of the stars that have consistently been in the sky for at least thousands of years. While the picture you provided looks similar to a star, it probably lasted less than one one-thousandth of a second. The stars and sonoluminescense clearly work by different mechanisms.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: flat earth agnostic. explain this moon video?
« on: June 23, 2016, 06:05:25 AM »
It takes about 28 days for the moon to orbit the earth but it always comes out at night.....it should be on the opposite side for half of the nights per 28 days......so it should only appear at night half of the nights in a 28 day period....

The moon spends equal amounts of time being up during the day and night over a 28 day period. It's just a lot more noticeable at night.

But I'm surprised you've never noticed the daytime moon. Even my 5-year old can easily point it out when it's visible during the day.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Moon?
« on: June 16, 2016, 03:52:22 PM »
Thank you for telling me what a thread is, nut job.  Perhaps next, you will explain the sky or maybe the ocean?

Perhaps next, you will actually try to answer somebody's question, instead of just derailing and avoiding conversations?


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The other side
« on: June 16, 2016, 03:48:55 PM »
It could be that instead of the constant acceleration, there's a constant force that pulls everything to the center, and so people can actually live on both sides.

Congratulations, you've just described gravity!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Moon?
« on: June 16, 2016, 12:37:01 PM »
What about it?

Seriously?? Read the thread!

I thought you were going to make a point.l  I guess I was wrong.   :-[

jroa,

You see, there is this thing called a "thread". It is the conversation leading up to where we are now. It contains things like information and context. Without those things, you can sound like an idiot when you post, like you have just done.

I would expect you, of all people, to understand the basics of a forum, jroa.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: NASA edit pictures..... So what?
« on: June 12, 2016, 12:19:13 PM »
NASA take photos and edit them before releasing them to the world for everyone to see.
I don't see the issue here! NASA clearly state that they edit all photos.
They do this so the image is cleaned up and colours are brighter and more clarity.
So what is the issue here? Every photo you see in mainstream media is totally edited for out benefit.
NASA edit the photos so they look nice whats the big deal.
Some people think that they add in things like clouds and take others out..... SO WHAT?
Regardless of what they edit, the earth is still a globe there is no changing that

I thought I'd just point out that the unedited photos that NASA has are available to the public. They're not very interesting to go through when in raw form, though. Tons of data can be gleaned from them, they're just not very pretty.

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General Relativity, and Relativity in general, actually supports the flat Earth theory.

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General relativity (GR) is a theory of gravitation that was developed by Albert Einstein between 1907 and 1915. According to general relativity, the observed gravitational attraction between masses results from the warping of space and time by those masses. General relativity has developed into an essential tool in modern astrophysics. It provides the foundation for the current understanding of black holes, regions of space where gravitational attraction is so strong that not even light can escape

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#General_relativity_and_the_equivalence_principle

Gravity is inconsistent with FE.

So not just me and sokarul then jroa.

Please show us where you believe GR supports a flat earth model, it is much easier to tear people down than to build yourself up, don't be caught in a lesser path.

You have still not provided a single case in which relativity contradicts FET.  If you can't support your claims, then please stay out of the debate section.  This forum is for the big kids.

You have still not provided a single case in which relativity supports FET.  If you can't support your claims, then please stay out of the debate section.  This forum is for the big kids.

(I don't know why I even feel the need to point out your inconsistencies, jroa, since your clearly just a troll. But bad arguments are still bad arguments, I guess.)

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Flat Earth theorisers have different views on it, but when you take our views together, it makes sense. So some believe the moon is a sphere, which explains why it looks round to everyone, and some say it's a disk, which shows why it's the same phase everywhere. So in total, it actually explains it all perfectly.

Hi daftpunk,

Thank you for this post. It proves to me that your a troll, and that I can just ignore what you have to say for here on out. Again, thanks!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: ANTARCTICA IS A JOKE!
« on: May 19, 2016, 09:56:12 PM »
This is not up for debate,

 . Not even debatable.
It is the debate section, is it not?
Now how about you show me your evidence of a star doing a full rotation.

Just because you have spoken something, does not mean that it's debatable whether or not it's true.

Here's a picture of how the stars go 'round:

If you're still not convinced, take a timelapse photo yourself. I'd love to see the result, and I'm sure you'd be fascinated by it too.
You post a silly picture!
You have no evidence of a star doing a full rotation!
And now you want me to do the work to prove you are correct!
You are not quite the full quid are you?

So you won't accept my evidence (which you could replicate yourself if you even had the tiniest desire to do so), but you're not willing to provide your own, or do anything to test what we've said.

What are you even doing here, then?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: ANTARCTICA IS A JOKE!
« on: May 19, 2016, 04:51:24 PM »
This is not up for debate,

 . Not even debatable.
It is the debate section, is it not?
Now how about you show me your evidence of a star doing a full rotation.

Just because you have spoken something, does not mean that it's debatable whether or not it's true.

Here's a picture of how the stars go 'round:

If you're still not convinced, take a timelapse photo yourself. I'd love to see the result, and I'm sure you'd be fascinated by it too.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: ANTARCTICA IS A JOKE!
« on: May 19, 2016, 10:56:19 AM »

Yes, almost seven full rotations. I was there for a few hours less than a week.
You are claiming that you not only watched a star rotate 360 degree's but you saw this happen nearly 7 times in less than a week. I have never seen a star do a full rotation in the sky. Well there you go, you learn something every day.

If you set up a camera pointing at either the North Star or Southern Cross, and leave it for 24 hours, you will see all of the other stars do a full circle (360 degrees) around either the North Star or Southern Cross. This is not up for debate, it is easily observable fact.

So the fact that he saw nearly 7 rotations over the course of nearly a week (7 days) doesn't only make sense, it is fact. Not even debatable.

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Yeah if the sun was at the tropic of cancer then every shadow in Australia should be pointing South

^_^

There is something weird going on though, all this space stuff really seems fake but that could be a troll.

The ISS interview videos do look like green screen and the only spacewalk video I looked at had a strap that showed signs of buoyancy ie being underwater

The moon and sun being almost identical in size can't be just chance.

I would like to check out some landmarks that are supposed to be visible from certain distances,like a mountain off the coast of Italy

Umm... the shadows at noon, when the sun is highest in the sky, do indeed point south in Australia. And they point north when you're somewhere in the Northern hemisphere, like the USA or Europe.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: ANTARCTICA IS A JOKE!
« on: May 18, 2016, 03:57:25 PM »
AHAHAHAHAHAH

you should have satellites SUCKERS, you just said those are photos, in fact they are, photos and some shitty graphic.

AND NO ROUND EARTH.

I've no doubt you're all paid for this.

suck my cock bro'. say hello to satan for me, I stay with GOD.

god told every religion the truth. the earth is flat and all.

stop looking in bullshits science, read the sacred books of every religion and you'll know.

they all are path to god.

you won't save you and you won't understand nothing that way.

or you're freemasons and you should suck my cock. another time, another place. goodbye.

Buh-bye.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: ANTARCTICA IS A JOKE!
« on: May 18, 2016, 02:01:47 PM »


The blue color of the ocean in these pictures is put in by google, because they don't waste money by taking photos of empty ocean.
How much money would they waste if they did?

I don't know, but considering that the majority of Earth's surface is open ocean, I'd imagine it would increase the cost significantly. And pictures of open ocean generally aren't useful for Google Earth users.
So thats what you imagine?
Maybe its because they do not want to have any more images of islands that do not exist.
http://www.livescience.com/28822-sandy-island-undiscovered.html

OK, let me rephrase myself. They absolutely do not take photos of the open ocean because it would be pointless and a waste of resources. I do not know the exact details of the cost-benefit analysis.

Now if you can direct me to a flat map that accurately represents the world as we've measured, I'll take your arguments a little more seriously.

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