I never thought about this but your statement is glaringly and beautifully accurate. I agree passionately. Hey, I'm new here and because of this, I want to come in here blasting out questions like "What about seasons, difference in daylight and sun's path across the sky, for God's sake the old "ship's mast appears over the horizon before the rest of it?" but I KNOW FE'rs have "answers" to these questions. What is considered appropriate as far as posing questions and/or "flaming"? I just want to have a debate with one FE'r at a time I guess, but the threads seem to diverge quickly...