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As expected, only trolling questions are answered. I have valid questions are get ignored. That's enough proof for me that this site is just an entertainment forum for those who simply enjoy argument for the sake of argument, and use archaic scientific theories as the subject. I have no interest in such a site.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The horizon is curved.
« on: May 05, 2012, 11:18:15 PM »
I was at an engineering conference last week reviewing several different proposals, one including using new optics technology that utilizes some higher-level math to accurately calculate the radius of the earth.....and it reminded me of this site. I saw all of the evidence for myself, provided by four optical engineers and two mechanical engineers. The sad thing is their months of work would be completely discounted here. Just like these perfectly verifiable pieces of evidence are being discounted. And when given this evidence, FES proponents beat around the bush with it like they went to school for it. I personally have explained refraction effects using basic calculus and nobody ever makes another comment, like it was just dismissed. Really? Its unbelievable the amount of people on this site that will intentionally ignore good evidence for their own reasons, be it ignorance, not wanting to be proved wrong, wanting to feel part of a community, etc. I am just amazed.

"A wise man, when confronted with data that his theory is wrong, does not discount the data.....he changes his theory." -B.T.

Why do FES believers refuse to consider that their theory might be wrong? It isn't good science. In fact, it is terrible science.

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The Moon, we see it on a near daily basis. We are all aware of the hazards the Moon Demons pose to life on earth, but how can we avoid them? It's not like we can run away from the moon. I will compose a short list of basic moon safety tips. The Moon Demons will be defeated in no time at all!

Do you have any evidence to support your lack of Moon Worship?

Ok I haven't logged on in like two months, but I come back and see this....really? I know you're all pro-flat earth, but this is just outright trolling. Moon demons...? Asking someone to provide evidence to prove a lack of moon worship? Tell me how someone might do that. I REALLY would like to know how you propose that someone prove that they are thinking something. To claim that someone is not thinking about something after they tell you they are is borderline insanity.

The main reason I even logged on was to look at how FES explained the supermoon and I was taken aback by how ludicrous the information was. Rays from the moon causing moon burn and ambiguous claims of harm from 'moon intensity', are you serious? How do you define moon intensity? What are the units of it? Any scientific quantity has a unit right? I'd like to know what that is.

Please don't respond with brash comments, or suggestions to go read several fictitious books or articles from authors who disagree with the world, or an assertion that my inquisition here is 'outlandish'. Asking someone to prove that they are thinking about something is outlandish.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Looking to buy a new computer
« on: April 20, 2012, 02:37:16 AM »
Why do you need 3 monitors?  One decently sized one is fine for me most of the time.  Two is great and I have all the space I need.  For me, the third would never be used and would just be taking up space.  Although, I would figure out some way to utilize the space if I did have three.

I run two monitors, but there have been several times while writing code where I wish I had a 3rd. MATLAB console in one monitor, accessory windows on another monitor, and a reference open on the 3rd. I make do with that old archaic "alt-tab" trick.

My point is he could save 20 bucks on the ram, 40 bucks on the noctua, and then take a nice girl out to dinner.  But excuse me for trying to save a guy some money.

Lmao. So do you drive that car in your avatar? Looks to be a nice ride.

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One need not have official qualifications to be able to perform this level of math (though many here make it seem like it should be lol), but I find it handy to know what an appeal to authority is.

It's not an appeal to authority, it's elitism. We leave dentistry to the dentists, law to the lawyers, and physics to physicists. Laypeople have no place in making such ridiculous claims and acting as though they're capable of doing even rudimentary physics calculations. If this guy were really at all capable of grasping how physics works and wants to make some kind of breakthrough I suggest he fix that theory in crisis we call gravity.

Which makes me wonder why some of us even respond in the first place... Absurd claims from people with references to websites that explain it, but have no understanding of the topic itself.  ::)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon features
« on: April 07, 2012, 12:43:13 PM »
I think that's a wrap. The false refraction theory has been disproved completely.


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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA time lapse from Space - obviously fake
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:51:06 PM »
For what its worth, a simple documentary video on just about anything is edited with all of that. Makes it visually 'nicer', not necessarily fabricated.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon features
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:38:13 PM »
Sorry, the refractive effect only occurs during transitions between substances with different refractive indices, or densities. The amount of atmosphere it must travel through is irrelevant; only the rate of change in atmospheric density applies here, because the amount of refraction depends only on that. If you understand what a gradient is as you mentioned, then you understand that this can be simplified so that you do not even need vector calculus.

The length of atmosphere is relevant. If a photon is displaced by an angle of 0.02 angles at one place, it will continue traveling on that 0.02 displacement for the duration of its journey, becoming more and more displaced from the original path with distance.

There is more atmosphere, yes, but since the rate of change of refractive index is lower, the rate at which the light changes direction will also be proportionally lower.

Exactly :)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does this work?
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:28:00 PM »
because the curve is too, erm, curvy for the altitude. dont get me wrong im a strait up round earther with a keen interest in the fes.

All right. I did touch on this in another thread. For those interested, it is an issue of perception. We aren't used to thinking of things this way, but that visible horizon could be 100 miles long. The curvature of a sphere with that much visible circumference would be noticeable from a distance.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon features
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:22:25 PM »
If you sent a beam of light perfectly parallel across your flat earth at a constant altitude, it would stay straight. The index of refraction does not change, so the path does not change. This is a lot of atmosphere to travel through, yet there is no refraction because delta density if zero. Angular displacement is only due to a change in index of refraction.

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The Lounge / Re: Mega Millions
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:18:43 PM »
Say I had actually won this lottery...who would want to go?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon features
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:16:23 PM »
Sorry, the refractive effect only occurs during transitions between substances with different refractive indices, or densities. The amount of atmosphere it must travel through is irrelevant; only the rate of change in atmospheric density applies here, because the amount of refraction depends only on that. If you understand what a gradient is as you mentioned, then you understand that this can be simplified so that you do not even need vector calculus.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does this work?
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:09:26 PM »
Are you suggesting that the planet would be impractically large? The radius of a flat earth disc would be massive compared to the radius of the round earth.


No, I'm suggesting that the curvature seen in that picture is probably a product of the lens, rather than the Earth.

The theory that all visible curvature on high altitude videos is due to lens distortion has been disproved. There's a thread on it. Read it.

right here your making yourself look stupid. the picture in question is blatently not a picture of reality

Lol, I have to ask...why not?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon features
« on: April 06, 2012, 01:48:47 PM »
That would hold true if light from the sun were a collection of laser beams, where the location of the beam's endpoint could be determined empirically. It isn't a collection of lasers though, so it isn't plausible to assume all of the light would bend to hit the surface at some given radius from the sun. That would be an interesting thing to observe, though...

To properly model this, you would have to consider the rays from the sun in a probabilistic sense, whereas you could not determine the final location of photons empirically, but would rather have to rely on a mathematical prediction. The probability distribution function for the radius reached by the sun's rays in this case would not simply terminate at some specific distance from the sun as they would with lasers, but would gradually taper off to zero (despite never reaching it) as radius increases.

Simply put, you'd always be able to see the sun given that flat-earth model. It would grow fainter and fainter as you moved away, but it would always be visible.

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You will receive fish-eye lens theories as your answer.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon features
« on: April 06, 2012, 01:16:46 PM »
The moon cannot be seen across the disk to where you can see its side. It is only visible when it is over your present location. This is due to a combination of perspective and refraction. See Earth Not a Globe for additional information.

Do you have a direct link?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trolling
« on: April 06, 2012, 11:20:47 AM »
Trolls...



You've been warned.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is earth so special?
« on: April 06, 2012, 06:22:46 AM »
Every other known object large enough to be a planet is not flat. So how do you figure the earth is so special? God? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. An object the size of earth would not be capable of being a flat object.
   Stoop living in the middle ages
This is simple not the case.  For example, look at many galaxies.   Also, the earth is FAR larger than a simple planet.  It is an infinite plane that creates a finite gravitational pull.  Its not special, it follows the same laws the rest of the universe does.

An infinite plane sounds special to me... Especially one so mysterious where a giant ice wall prevents inhabitants from escaping into the unknown.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.
« on: April 06, 2012, 04:12:05 AM »
Iconoclast, you seem to think that I'm trying to use Schuler tuning to prove roundness and roundness to prove Schuler tuning. You are quite incorrect - I'm trying to demonstrate that Schuler tuning is not really relevant to my original premise of how INS disproves FET.

In the grand scheme of things, no, it is not relevant at all. Thork thinks it is though; that is why he keeps asking you about it. I was speaking in the context of this particular debate. We've got a poor soul latched onto a straw man here, and its going to be an uphill battle. lol

Thork, what part of INS do you think TK doesn't understand? (for the record, I am just asking the question, no sarcasm intended..)

He won't answer properly, you know. I too am just as genuinely curious as to where he thinks I've gone wrong.

Looks like you're right.

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Flat Earth General / Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« on: April 06, 2012, 03:49:12 AM »
FET does not violate the speed of light.

As a whole, flat-earth theory might not, but universal acceleration certainly does. An object cannot experience positive net acceleration forever without exceeding the speed of light. I have seen nothing that addresses this flat-earth theory problem.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does this work?
« on: April 06, 2012, 03:44:36 AM »
The fish-eye lens would affect the entire image, but in that one the foreground is untouched. Is this simply a case of photo editing?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite Media?
« on: April 06, 2012, 03:40:29 AM »
Is my post about secret military tech invisible?  ???

No, it isn't invisible. I used to work in the very career field in the military that deals with putting satellites into space, and I can assure you that this 'secret tech' does not exist. Before anybody jumps my guns about the credibility of my claim, lets not forget that there is zero credibility to this 'secret tech' claim.

Regardless of conspiracy-founded allegations, any secret technology still needs to be implemented by means that are acceptable to flat-earth theory, in this case stratellites; the problems of energy and/or remaining stationary still remain.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does this work?
« on: April 05, 2012, 09:11:04 AM »
In the case of an infinite earth pushing up an infinite layer of atmosphere wouldn't that imply an infinite force behind it all ?

Lets not forget that despite experiencing a constant acceleration, the earth somehow never reaches light speed...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does this work?
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:48:05 AM »
no he is saying how small it would be  ::) trace the curve and finish the circle. you cant even fit all of the world mcdonalds in there

For that you would have to know the length of the visible horizon. In that picture, it could be 50 or even 100 miles. Multiplying some length number by the 360 degrees and dividing by the angular difference between each end of the visible horizon would give you a realistic size approximation.

Regardless, wouldn't a greater surface curvature disprove the flat earth theory even more?

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Flat Earth General / Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:14:14 AM »
As a man of reason, the only logical explanation is that satellites don't orbit they just launch up and come down somewhere. The shuttle just glides and lands never going more than a few hundred miles up.

For the record, satellites are put into orbit by large missiles; variations of old ICBMs. The missile itself falls back to earth, but the satellite remains in space.

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Refraction says nothing about changes in the light characteristics at its source; it only explains what happens as it travels to its destination.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite Media?
« on: April 05, 2012, 07:44:05 AM »
Zeteticism for you is merely an excuse to ignore all contrary evidence.
RE's finally have evidence? Where can i take a look?

How about the link up there ? That is the evidence we are talking about.

U mean da link w little dots or wut?

No, not 'da link w little dots'... The fact that millions of people worldwide can enjoy satellite television with the dishes pointed into the sky where no tower could exist. There's your evidence.

It could not be a stratellite because for one, it would take too much energy to sustain altitude, and two, if it could it wouldn't be able to stay stationary well enough for a rigid satellite receiver dish to pick up its signals successfully.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Ice Wall and Beyond
« on: April 05, 2012, 07:21:34 AM »
Unfortunately, yes...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Ice Wall and Beyond
« on: April 05, 2012, 07:09:31 AM »
That clears things right up. Just denounce the existence of the perpetrator.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Ice Wall and Beyond
« on: April 05, 2012, 03:09:22 AM »
I wonder if the woman who recently skied across Antarctica had to climb that ice wall...

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