A few quick questions

But how would that work. It wouldn't. It wouldn't because if it's continuesly accelerating upward then a plane would come down. Also would other planets be accelerating with us? Literally if they think they know physics they should revise a little because everything in the air would slowly go down like planes air balloons etc.

This has been covered before.  I seriously suggest you do a search, this has been explained by the FEers very adequately.

Ya I know that. But in an FE world it would come down because as the Earth speeds up a plane stays steady. since it's steady anything above or below it will move up or down thus making planes crash without flaws in it's system or damage to it's routers, wings, engines, and flaps.

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Did you read the FAQ? 

did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity.  

so, in the end, you're just taking somebody's word for it.

Well, yeah.  I simply don't have the expertise to form my own opinion.  But from what they've posted it makes sense to me; perhaps you should try a search.

search for what.

Quote from: The Almighty Poop! on July 10, 2007, 03:32:38 PM

But how would that work. It wouldn't. It wouldn't because if it's continuesly accelerating upward then a plane would come down. Also would other planets be accelerating with us? Literally if they think they know physics they should revise a little because everything in the air would slowly go down like planes air balloons etc.

This has been covered before.  I seriously suggest you do a search, this has been explained by the FEers very adequately.

If so what do I put in to search?

Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 03:30:32 PM

Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM

Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM

Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM

Did you read the FAQ? 

did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity. 

Just to clarify: It would produce the same primary, but not secondary, effects of gravity. Rotational and tidal forces are examples of forces that FE does not account for.

gravataional micro lensing?

That effect is an astronomical effect. RE explains it well. FE can't, as the masses and distances to the stars must necessarily vary by up to over a dozen orders of magnitude (the distance to the Andromeda Galaxy for example). In order for Andromeda to rotate overnight about the North Pole attractor it must be close to the Earth. Standard FE holds the stars to be 3100 miles above the Earth.

Yet people tell me to search for things yet they don't tell me what to search therefore I have no idea or clue to what to search.

Ya I know that. But in an FE world it would come down because as the Earth speeds up a plane stays steady. since it's steady anything above or below it will move up or down thus making planes crash without flaws in it's system or damage to it's routers, wings, engines, and flaps.

the plane still has lift, unless the atmosphere is flowing off the backside of the earth. for the record i am an REer.

Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:32:01 PM

Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 03:30:32 PM

Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM

Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM

Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM

Did you read the FAQ? 

did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity. 

Just to clarify: It would produce the same primary, but not secondary, effects of gravity. Rotational and tidal forces are examples of forces that FE does not account for.

gravataional micro lensing?

That effect is an astronomical effect. RE explains it well. FE can't, as the masses and distances to the stars must necessarily vary by up to over a dozen orders of magnitude (the distance to the Andromeda Galaxy for example). In order for Andromeda to rotate overnight about the North Pole attractor it must be close to the Earth. Standard FE holds the stars to be 3100 miles above the Earth.

wtf are you talking about?

Yes I know it would still have lift. But if you would think it would get up to the point.(slowly)
As it would level out the Earth would continue to rise and rise and rise. And the plane which wil also rise won't rise fast enough because as you say the Earth accelerates.(Off subject) In they're Q/A they say it moves at 1g if it moves at 1g then why is it continuely accelerating?

Yes I know it would still have lift. But if you would think it would get up to the point.(slowly)
As it would level out the Earth would continue to rise and rise and rise. And the plane which wil also rise won't rise fast enough because as you say the Earth accelerates.(Off subject) In they're Q/A they say it moves at 1g if it moves at 1g then why is it continuely accelerating?

the plane needs to continually exert the same force to remain airborne. This force is identical under the RE and FE model. Either the plane needs to exert force x to keep from falling, or force x to keep accelerating upwards with the earth.

Yes I know it would still have lift. But if you would think it would get up to the point.(slowly)
As it would level out the Earth would continue to rise and rise and rise. And the plane which wil also rise won't rise fast enough because as you say the Earth accelerates.(Off subject) In they're Q/A they say it moves at 1g if it moves at 1g then why is it continuely accelerating?

Planes would fly perfectly well on a FE.  The medium a plane moves through is the air, not space (like the earth) and it therefore doesn't need to accelerate as much as the earth does to stay flying, because it already is just sitting on the ground.  The lift the plane creates keeps it off the ground, nothing special.

The earth's 1g is created by its acceleration

Yes I know it would still have lift. But if you would think it would get up to the point.(slowly)
As it would level out the Earth would continue to rise and rise and rise. And the plane which wil also rise won't rise fast enough because as you say the Earth accelerates.(Off subject) In they're Q/A they say it moves at 1g if it moves at 1g then why is it continuely accelerating?

I urge you to read the RE Primer on this subject. The answers are there. I hope though that you understand that "moves at 1g" is seriously wrongly worded at best.

Ok this is off subject from planes. But I remembered that in the Q/A it said that the Earth moved at 1g yet you all tell me that it continuelly accelerates. Why do you think it accelerates when it's only moving at 1g?

Ok this is off subject from planes. But I remembered that in the Q/A it said that the Earth moved at 1g yet you all tell me that it continuelly accelerates. Why do you think it accelerates when it's only moving at 1g?

Please hear us. "Moving at 1g" is incorrect. FE holds that it's constantly accelerating at 1g, and that's as measured on the FE.

Quote from: The Almighty Poop! on July 10, 2007, 08:15:07 PM

Ok this is off subject from planes. But I remembered that in the Q/A it said that the Earth moved at 1g yet you all tell me that it continuelly accelerates. Why do you think it accelerates when it's only moving at 1g?

Please hear us. "Moving at 1g" is incorrect. FE holds that it's constantly accelerating at 1g, and that's as measured on the FE.

Whatever

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Quote from: The Almighty Poop! on July 10, 2007, 08:15:07 PM

Ok this is off subject from planes. But I remembered that in the Q/A it said that the Earth moved at 1g yet you all tell me that it continuelly accelerates. Why do you think it accelerates when it's only moving at 1g?

Please hear us. "Moving at 1g" is incorrect. FE holds that it's constantly accelerating at 1g, and that's as measured on the FE.

Whatever

Not really. You need to understand the difference in order to debate this point.

Doesn't this essentially boil down to the difference between acceleration and velocity? Simple, I'm sure this guy understands it, but is being an idiot.

Ok this is off subject from planes. But I remembered that in the Q/A it said that the Earth moved at 1g yet you all tell me that it continuelly accelerates. Why do you think it accelerates when it's only moving at 1g?

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Quote from: The Almighty Poop! on July 10, 2007, 03:44:00 PM

Yes I know it would still have lift. But if you would think it would get up to the point.(slowly)
As it would level out the Earth would continue to rise and rise and rise. And the plane which wil also rise won't rise fast enough because as you say the Earth accelerates.(Off subject) In they're Q/A they say it moves at 1g if it moves at 1g then why is it continuely accelerating?

Planes would fly perfectly well on a FE.  The medium a plane moves through is the air, not space (like the earth) and it therefore doesn't need to accelerate as much as the earth does to stay flying, because it already is just sitting on the ground.  The lift the plane creates keeps it off the ground, nothing special.

The earth's 1g is created by its acceleration