A question aimed at pro-lifers

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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #90 on: November 26, 2008, 11:19:38 PM »
Not offended at all.  The debate looks to be over as the pro-choicers are already talking in circles.  I had the debate won on the 2nd page.

Who's talking in circles, again? Trying to define something biologically different from an infant as an infant, and trying to demonize your opponents. Yeah, that's not talking in circles at all. If you think you've won this, maybe you should just read the thread over again. It might be hard for you, though, since you seem to have no grasp of basic logic.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #91 on: November 26, 2008, 11:20:29 PM »
You attempt to clean the subject by saying removal of the fetus which is again as stated on the beginning of the thread. 

Fine, you can call it "killing or removing the fetus/potential baby." There is a reason the word fetus was developed. You and your fallacies are not welcome.
The word fetus is the stage between the embryonic stage and birth, so therefor as far as your concerned, as long as a baby isn't born, it is not a baby since it is still a fetus.   You must hang out with the same people who think that delivering a baby feet first up to the "fetus'" nose and sticking a needle into its skull to "destroy the fetus".  That way they can say that although it was late term it isn't a baby because it was never fully delivered.  You might wanna study up on the subject before you start talking so stupid.

As the term Pro-Choice is actually Pro-Kill.  There is no choice involved, The only thing a pro-choice person wants is the right to kill a baby.

Um, no. Pro-choice is giving the right to the mother whether they want to have the baby or not (hint, that's a choice). For every mother that decides to have a child, pro-choice advocates do not get into a frenzy about them not aborting, thus we are not pro-kill.
Um, yah, the options are all available to the mother except for but the only one the pro-choice people are fighting for is the choice to have an abortion, I don't hear any Pro-Choice people running around yelling I'm pro-Choice and I thing women need be able to choose to give their baby up for adoption.  No they are all fighting for the right to abort.  That is a fact. so again, they should at least change the name to pro-abortion because the choice part is bs.

We simply accept the right of the mother to choose what she wants with her body, and in her life. It's about making a life choice, and if you want to force unwanted pregnancies upon people, you're not very far from trying to force what things people should buy, or how they should spend their time.
  What about the rights of the baby?   wow that was easy, and forcing unwanted pregnancies upon people is quite far from trying to force people to buy something or how to spend their time.  Then I guess we should just make it legal for people to randomly shoot people on the street because it isn't far from forcing what people should  buy something or spend their time.

THis would be funny if it was different subject matter but luckily I know that you just say this stuff to get a rise out of us.

Don't really care if you get upset or not. I like speaking accurately, and you don't.


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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #92 on: November 26, 2008, 11:28:29 PM »
Not offended at all.  The debate looks to be over as the pro-choicers are already talking in circles.  I had the debate won on the 2nd page.

Who's talking in circles, again? Trying to define something biologically different from an infant as an infant, and trying to demonize your opponents. Yeah, that's not talking in circles at all. If you think you've won this, maybe you should just read the thread over again. It might be hard for you, though, since you seem to have no grasp of basic logic.
How am I demonizing my opponents?  By calling a pro-choice person Pro abortion?  By stating the facts instead of cleaning up the words for baby and kill and changing them to Fetus and Abort? 
whatever. 
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #93 on: November 26, 2008, 11:30:24 PM »
Not offended at all.  The debate looks to be over as the pro-choicers are already talking in circles.  I had the debate won on the 2nd page.

Who's talking in circles, again? Trying to define something biologically different from an infant as an infant, and trying to demonize your opponents. Yeah, that's not talking in circles at all. If you think you've won this, maybe you should just read the thread over again. It might be hard for you, though, since you seem to have no grasp of basic logic.
How am I demonizing my opponents?  By calling a pro-choice person Pro abortion?  By lying instead of talking in factual terms, taking words for baby and kill and changing them to Fetus and Abort? 
whatever. 

Yeah, those two are essentially it. I'm not for abortion. I'm for it being available to those who feel that they need it.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #94 on: November 26, 2008, 11:41:58 PM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #95 on: November 26, 2008, 11:46:17 PM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #96 on: November 26, 2008, 11:47:24 PM »
The word fetus is the stage between the embryonic stage and birth, so therefor as far as your concerned, as long as a baby isn't born, it is not a baby since it is still a fetus.

It's not as far as I'm concerned, it is as far as the factual definition is concerned. You don't like it, take it up with doctors.

You must hang out with the same people who think that delivering a baby feet first up to the "fetus'" nose and sticking a needle into its skull to "destroy the fetus".  That way they can say that although it was late term it isn't a baby because it was never fully delivered.  You might wanna study up on the subject before you start talking so stupid.

Apparently you don't get what attached means.

Um, yah, the options are all available to the mother except for but the only one the pro-choice people are fighting for is the choice to have an abortion, I don't hear any Pro-Choice people running around yelling I'm pro-Choice and I thing women need be able to choose to give their baby up for adoption.  No they are all fighting for the right to abort.  That is a fact. so again, they should at least change the name to pro-abortion because the choice part is bs.

What the hell are you talking about? You can't just omit things to make your argument sound better. Pro-choice is a choice for all options. If a mother wants to have the baby and keep it, abort, or deliver and give it up once it's born, those are all part of pro-choice. Hell, she can decide to kill herself if she wants to, SHE HAS THAT CHOICE. What you are advocating is oppression.

Saying this other crap about being pro-abortion is just stupid; please show me some proof that people have berated mothers for having children and claimed to be pro-choice. I'd love to see that illogical mess.

What about the rights of the baby?

Fetus. And it can have rights once it is it's own entity separate of the mother.

wow that was easy, and forcing unwanted pregnancies upon people is quite far from trying to force people to buy something or how to spend their time.

Well, it's worse in my book, seeing as buying things and most hobbies or activities don't cause pain and other problems for the person. So, you like the idea of putting someone through pain and discomfort, all for the sake of another being on the planet, versus abolishing that being that can't think, see, feel or choose something?

As is common, your logic applies to all eggs and sperm. Why not attack people that practice safe sex? You're pro-life, you should want to preserve all potential life, just like a fetus.

Then I guess we should just make it legal for people to randomly shoot people on the street because it isn't far from forcing what people should  buy something or spend their time.

You're confusing rights with law and order (or at least the attempt). Almost anyone (barring physical or mental ailments) has the ability to kill someone; that is their right. They choose not to do so due to a variety of factors. They either believe it's wrong, or they simply don't want to burden themselves by either dying or going to jail for life. Abortion is no different.

Again, pro-choice is for all options. If you don't believe in pro-choice, I'd like you to follow my strict guidelines of what to eat, drink and say. Better yet, move to China.

Still waiting for something accurate other then simple ramblings of liberal opinions.  Not Facts

Scientific definition is a fact, why ignore it? Also, I'm not a liberal; I simply use definitions and facts to make conclusions and choices.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #97 on: November 26, 2008, 11:54:42 PM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #98 on: November 26, 2008, 11:56:32 PM »
And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.

You've killed so many potential babies!!! Baby killer!!!!
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #99 on: November 27, 2008, 12:05:12 AM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.
But you support it. And women have the power to not have a baby. Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.
Italics = Epic Fail. There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2008, 12:06:34 AM »
Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.

Neither does sperm. Seriously, I hope you've never ejaculated; all those poor babies.

There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.

Were you trying to be funny?
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2008, 03:42:39 AM »
First of all, I don't think any sane person who is pro-choice would suggest that no precautions should be taken during sex, and any pregnancy that results should be aborted. All we are saying is that abortion should be available as a last resort in case the employed method of birth control is ineffective for whatever reason, or in a case where a woman is raped and has no choice in the matter.

Second of all, have any of you pro-lifers ever refused an offer for sex with a fertile member of the opposite sex? If so, then you're just as guilty of murder as abortion practitioners. Ever - for the males among you - seen a girl in a vulnerable position and chosen not to rape her? If that is the case, you had a perfect opportunity to save the life of a potential child, yet did not take it. Why not? If you have never been in such a position, would you commit rape in order to prevent murder if the opportunity presented itself?
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #102 on: November 27, 2008, 05:22:56 AM »
why should an unborn "life" have more rights than the life that is supporting it?

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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #103 on: November 27, 2008, 08:38:08 AM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.

But you support it. And women have the power to not have a baby. Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.
Italics = Epic Fail. There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.

This is what I'm talking about with demonizing your enemy. I do not support the killing of babies. You tell me that one more time, if you want, but I do not support the killing of babies.

I also never said there was. I simply asked you a question which you refused to answer.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #104 on: November 27, 2008, 10:15:36 AM »
2. However, You can survive with one, but not without any (dialysis machines do not count as they are not inside you). So your argument is still nullified by factual information.
And the government forbids anyone with two kidneys selling one of them, a single kidney that is not required to live.

Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #105 on: November 27, 2008, 10:17:37 AM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.

But you support it. And women have the power to not have a baby. Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.
Italics = Epic Fail. There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.

This is what I'm talking about with demonizing your enemy. I do not support the killing of babies. You tell me that one more time, if you want, but I do not support the killing of babies.

I also never said there was. I simply asked you a question which you refused to answer.
You asked a dumb question which I refuse to answer
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #106 on: November 27, 2008, 10:25:53 AM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.

But you support it. And women have the power to not have a baby. Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.
Italics = Epic Fail. There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.

This is what I'm talking about with demonizing your enemy. I do not support the killing of babies. You tell me that one more time, if you want, but I do not support the killing of babies.

I also never said there was. I simply asked you a question which you refused to answer.
You asked a dumb question which I refuse to answer

There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.

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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #107 on: November 27, 2008, 11:30:03 AM »
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Etymology

From Latin parasitus < Greek παράσιτος (parasitos), ??person who eats at the table of another??) < noun use of adjective meaning "feeding beside," < παρα- (para-), ??beside??) + σίτος (sitos), ??food??).

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[edit] Noun

Singular
parasite
      

Plural
parasites

parasite (plural parasites)

   1. (biology) A (generally undesirable) living organism that exists by stealing the resources needed by another living organism. See flea, tick, mite.
   2. (pejorative) A useless person who always relies on other people's work and gives nothing back.

But please note that it says generally undesirable.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #108 on: November 27, 2008, 11:31:24 AM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.

But you support it. And women have the power to not have a baby. Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.
Italics = Epic Fail. There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.

This is what I'm talking about with demonizing your enemy. I do not support the killing of babies. You tell me that one more time, if you want, but I do not support the killing of babies.

I also never said there was. I simply asked you a question which you refused to answer.
You asked a dumb question which I refuse to answer

There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #109 on: November 27, 2008, 11:33:01 AM »
Because we don't have a fictitious dictator who forbids us to do it. :)
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #110 on: November 27, 2008, 11:34:05 AM »
Because we don't have a fictitious dictator who forbids us to do it. :)
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #111 on: November 27, 2008, 11:36:16 AM »
You metaphorically suck the dick of your imaginary friend. So you can't even find somebody that wants you to suck their dick. How does it feel to be so terribly alone?
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #112 on: November 27, 2008, 11:40:55 AM »
You metaphorically suck the dick of your imaginary friend. So you can't even find somebody that wants you to suck their dick. How does it feel to be so terribly alone?
I don't suck dick though. Why would I want to find someone to suck their dick?
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #113 on: November 27, 2008, 11:42:24 AM »
Why would I want to find someone to suck their dick?
Homosexual desires.

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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #114 on: November 27, 2008, 11:56:53 AM »
Also, pro-life is an overly positive term for what you are. I would rather call you pro-control society, or pro-fascism. A society does not get to give its women orders to have a baby whether they want it or not. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion.
No, we are pro life because we don't want you guys killing babies. We want to preserve their life.

And I want to preserve the rights to a good life for potential mothers. Having a baby is great, but if you're not ready for it, or accidentally get pregnant, the technology exists to give you a second chance. Isn't that what you christians are always talking about, getting a second chance?

And you may correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge, I've never killed a baby in my entire life.

But you support it. And women have the power to not have a baby. Babies don't have any power to control what happens to them.
Italics = Epic Fail. There is no connection between abortion and Christianity.

This is what I'm talking about with demonizing your enemy. I do not support the killing of babies. You tell me that one more time, if you want, but I do not support the killing of babies.

I also never said there was. I simply asked you a question which you refused to answer.
You asked a dumb question which I refuse to answer

There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #115 on: November 27, 2008, 12:00:49 PM »
*Sigh*

Quote from: Wiktionary
Etymology

From Latin parasitus < Greek παράσιτος (parasitos), ??person who eats at the table of another??) < noun use of adjective meaning "feeding beside," < παρα- (para-), ??beside??) + σίτος (sitos), ??food??).

[edit] Pronunciation

    * IPA: /ˈp?rəˌsaɪt/

[edit] Noun

Singular
parasite
      

Plural
parasites

parasite (plural parasites)

   1. (biology) A (generally undesirable) living organism that exists by stealing the resources needed by another living organism. See flea, tick, mite.
   2. (pejorative) A useless person who always relies on other people's work and gives nothing back.

But please note that it says generally undesirable.

Now tell me why a foetus isn't a parasite.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #116 on: November 27, 2008, 12:01:50 PM »
Why would I want to find someone to suck their dick?
Homosexual desires.

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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #117 on: November 27, 2008, 12:06:51 PM »
Because we don't have a fictitious dictator who forbids us to do it. :)
HaHa. You suck dick.

What I do in the privacy of my bedroom is none of your concern, and you still didn't answer my question.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #118 on: November 27, 2008, 12:09:55 PM »
What I do in the privacy of my bedroom is none of your concern, and you still didn't answer my question.
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Re: A question aimed at pro-lifers
« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2008, 12:13:39 PM »
What if I do that?
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