A question aimed at pro-lifers

ﮎingulaЯiτy  proved my point and amplified my statement by showing that Babies = Fetus.  Thus proving my point that Pro-choicers change the words to make it easier to kill a baby.

Proof?
And I said Babies != Fetuses. 
I say they are different terms and you somehow interpret this a confirmation that they are they same thing.
Applying to your perspective, I have no reason to want to justify killing babies, so why would I need to dehumanize one? No, I realized they were different, before I came to the conclusion that abortion was okay. Stop pulling shit out of your ass and wiping it all over this thread.

A 23 weeker would require life support, as would a person involved in car crash, or heart attack or many other medical issues.   

You're missing the point entirely. A 23 week old baby cannot survive naturally outside of its mother's womb, therefore it cannot be considered as anything more than a parasite. The fact that we have the technology available to remove its dependence on its mother doesn't change this, any more than it changes the fact that the person in a car crash got injured.

Fetus is to magma as baby is to lava, but I repeat myself.

lrn2biology

No woman should ever be forced to give birth to child of any age.  Also, if we start making anti-abortion laws, I wonder how many women will start giving birth to children at that minimum age for life.

Quote from: Dark Knight on November 26, 2008, 08:49:25 AM

A 23 weeker would require life support, as would a person involved in car crash, or heart attack or many other medical issues.   

You're missing the point entirely. A 23 week old baby cannot survive naturally outside of its mother's womb, therefore it cannot be considered as anything more than a parasite. The fact that we have the technology available to remove its dependence on its mother doesn't change this, any more than it changes the fact that the person in a car crash got injured.

A parasite does not change from a parasite into a perfectly self reliant being. Would you admit to being a parasite?

A parasite does not change from a parasite into a perfectly self reliant being. Would you admit to being a parasite?

Please link me to a definition of the word "parasite" which states that parasitism must always be perpetual.

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 10:01:45 AM

A parasite does not change from a parasite into a perfectly self reliant being. Would you admit to being a parasite?

Please link me to a definition of the word "parasite" which states that parasitism must always be perpetual.

Do you know of any thaT AREN'T

Quote from: Robosteve on November 26, 2008, 10:03:42 AM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 10:01:45 AM

A parasite does not change from a parasite into a perfectly self reliant being. Would you admit to being a parasite?

Please link me to a definition of the word "parasite" which states that parasitism must always be perpetual.

Do you know of any thaT AREN'T

Watch out for the cAPS lOCK key.

Also, he just named one.  People.

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 10:16:59 AM

Quote from: Robosteve on November 26, 2008, 10:03:42 AM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 10:01:45 AM

A parasite does not change from a parasite into a perfectly self reliant being. Would you admit to being a parasite?

Please link me to a definition of the word "parasite" which states that parasitism must always be perpetual.

Do you know of any thaT AREN'T

Watch out for the cAPS lOCK key.

Also, he just named one.  People.

People are not parasites.

Define "parasite".

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on November 26, 2008, 10:19:00 AM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 10:16:59 AM

Quote from: Robosteve on November 26, 2008, 10:03:42 AM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 10:01:45 AM

A parasite does not change from a parasite into a perfectly self reliant being. Would you admit to being a parasite?

Please link me to a definition of the word "parasite" which states that parasitism must always be perpetual.

Do you know of any thaT AREN'T

Watch out for the cAPS lOCK key.

Also, he just named one.  People.

People are not parasites.

In the womb, yes, they are.

Quote from: Dark Knight on November 26, 2008, 08:49:25 AM

A 23 weeker would require life support, as would a person involved in car crash, or heart attack or many other medical issues.   

You're missing the point entirely. A 23 week old baby cannot survive naturally outside of its mother's womb, therefore it cannot be considered as anything more than a parasite. The fact that we have the technology available to remove its dependence on its mother doesn't change this, any more than it changes the fact that the person in a car crash got injured.

My daughter was born at 23 weeks and survived with little more then oxygen and heat from the isolete.   If a full term baby is born and left alone it would starve to death so what is the difference.

The difference is that a full term baby doesn't need to be kept in a box with breathing and feeding apparatus.

Quote from: Dark Knight on November 26, 2008, 08:24:09 AM

ﮎingulaЯiτy  proved my point and amplified my statement by showing that Babies = Fetus.  Thus proving my point that Pro-choicers change the words to make it easier to kill a baby.

Proof?
And I said Babies != Fetuses. 
I say they are different terms and you somehow interpret this a confirmation that they are they same thing.
Applying to your perspective, I have no reason to want to justify killing babies, so why would I need to dehumanize one? No, I realized they were different, before I came to the conclusion that abortion was okay. Stop pulling shit out of your ass and wiping it all over this thread.

you came to that conclusion in order to justify the cause.  That is all.

The difference is that a full term baby doesn't need to be kept in a box with breathing and feeding apparatus.

Ok how many full term babies feed themselves?  How many full term babies can survive at room temperature.  All the box does is keep them warm.  All a feeding apparatus does is feed them without a bottle. 

so if a baby requires more heat and a breathing apparatus, and a little oxygen they are not a baby.  Be glad you were not born with athsma, and low birth weight.

Quote from: General Douchebag on November 26, 2008, 11:08:05 AM

The difference is that a full term baby doesn't need to be kept in a box with breathing and feeding apparatus.

Ok how many full term babies feed themselves?  How many full term babies can survive at room temperature.  All the box does is keep them warm.  All a feeding apparatus does is feed them without a bottle. 

so if a baby requires more heat and a breathing apparatus, and a little oxygen they are not a baby.  Be glad you were not born with athsma, and low birth weight.

Is this all coming to a point on the issue at hand, or are you just trolling now?

Quote from: General Douchebag on November 26, 2008, 11:08:05 AM

The difference is that a full term baby doesn't need to be kept in a box with breathing and feeding apparatus.

Ok how many full term babies feed themselves?  How many full term babies can survive at room temperature.  All the box does is keep them warm.  All a feeding apparatus does is feed them without a bottle. 

so if a baby requires more heat and a breathing apparatus, and a little oxygen they are not a baby.  Be glad you were not born with athsma, and low birth weight.

Exactly. If you want to label a fetus a parasite you must also label any infant a parasite too.

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

Except maybe the government, as it turns out.

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

why not?

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

why not?

Because she should have the right to decide what to do with her own body.

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

why not?

A bottle of clorox does wonders. As does a falcon punch, rusty coathangar, flight of stairs, roller coasters, etc.

We can't stop them.

I want to learn to do falcon punches, I could do a world of good.

You could set up clinics in hardcore christian countries.

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:44:19 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

why not?

Because she should have the right to decide what to do with her own body.

She does. but that babies life is not hers.

Quote from: Wendy on November 26, 2008, 12:44:59 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:44:19 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

why not?

Because she should have the right to decide what to do with her own body.

She does. but that babies life is not hers.

It's in her body. She makes the decisions.

Quote from: Wendy on November 26, 2008, 12:44:59 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:44:19 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: KingMan on November 26, 2008, 12:42:13 PM

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 12:40:07 PM

It's the woman's choice no matter what. If she doesn't want a baby, no one can force her to have one.

But we can stop her from killing it.

No, we can't.

why not?

Because she should have the right to decide what to do with her own body.

She does. but that babies life is not hers.

She has no moral responsibility to the baby, no more than to a hobo in the street. In a perfect world, both would be saved, and wanted, but that is not the case.

It's in her body. She makes the decisions.

When you enagage in consensual sex witha  woman, does she have the right to rip off your penis?

Quote from: Hara Taiki on November 26, 2008, 01:07:14 PM

It's in her body. She makes the decisions.

When you enagage in consensual sex witha  woman, does she have the right to rip off your penis?

Strawman.